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Alright, I know you guys are out there from this thread. And in an effort to not shit on that thread, I made this. 
Yes, to many people, Pokemon was a childish thing that is now only good for the nostalgia. But there is a secret other dimension to it. There are many Pokemen out there (about six thousand I think?) of which you choose six and their moves/set their stats and go for it. I'm sure a lot of people, when they played, would go with as many heavy hitting attacks as they possibly could and called it a day. This worked fine vs the Elite Four.
But competitive Pokemon is a whole different game. It is a game of prediction. Are they going to use Earthquake? I should switch to a flying type. Are they gonna switch their guy? I should use a set up move and try to up my stats. These are the things to think about in this game.
Since I know there's at least a handful of people here on TL that already have experience with competitive pokemon and that it is something that those who haven't experienced might enjoy, I felt people should at least know about it and have a spot to discuss it. Simulators allow you to set your guys rather than going through like hundreds of hours to train them how you want.
The current standard simulator (I think anyway) is Shoddy Battle.
The ultimate source for all your Pokemon needs (like the TL of Pokemon) is Smogon University.
Good luck and have fun.
Post who your username on Shoddy here and I'll add it to the list
TLers on Shoddy:
+ Show Spoiler +TL Name - Shoddy Name
Bibbit - Jaedong
Kenpachi - Tyrant Melody
seRapH - mkseRapH
synapse - synapsii
Lzlude - Izlude262
Kpyolysis32 - Kpyolysis32
LolnoobInsanity - sonofashrub
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I have problems with wifi so I can't battle online at my house and time constraints prevent me from raising a team along with the fact I've only bought DS pokemon game recently. Though I do enjoy occasionally watching a narrated wifi battle.
TheKillerNacho being my favorite online battler I've found so far
http://www.youtube.com/user/TheKillerNacho
mtgxerxes is also pretty good
http://www.youtube.com/user/mtgxerxes
I've subscribed to Pixie's channel more out of amazement that a girl plays with such rampant enthusiasm for the game
http://www.youtube.com/user/MMLFrostypixie
Competitive pokemon has a lot of unique tactics not present in the standard story mainly the opponent will actually switch making entry hazard moves (that hurt pokemon that switch in) more effective. This also means more prediction is required which can also be described as luck. Certainly in pokemon there is a bigger element of luck than other games at the competitive level, but it's still fun to watch if your a pokemon fan.
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On June 28 2010 12:09 LegendaryDreams wrote:Pokemon Online is a great simulator as well. It just came out a month ago. Many people prefer it to shoddy battle. http://www.pokemon-online.eu/
Well we dont want to divide whatever TL community we manage to form so we definitely need to come to a consensus over which one. :/
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:[! i used to go pro with pokemon lol.
i used to stay up all night and ev train my pokemons.
i stopped when i traded in platinum lol
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I had no idea pokemon was a competitive game. lol.
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I used to play pokemon competitively. I had a pretty good record on netbattle, and then spent 300+ hours getting my team on gba. Before I entered any tournies with it, D/P came out and I was like fuck. I might restart competitive pokemon again.
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I've participated in some Smogon wifi tourneys. From what I can remember, I got a 1st and 2nd place.
To be honest, most wifi battlers are pretty bad, including those youtube players. You've gotta play on shoddy to actually improve and have serious battles.
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On June 28 2010 13:21 Umbrella wrote:
I've participated in some Smogon wifi tourneys. From what I can remember, I got a 1st and 2nd place.
To be honest, most wifi battlers are pretty bad, including those youtube players. You've gotta play on shoddy to actually improve and have serious battles.
yeah thats true.
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If anyone wants some friendly battles hit me up on shoddy battle. Currently using the name Izlude262, I peaked 1700 CRE during the garchomp era, and still play for fun.
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Damn I remember when competitive pokemon used to be you sitting down with a few friends. O.o
Anyways, does anyone know how I can get started with this competitive-ness?
And do I need to have an action replay or any of that crap?
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I remember finding out about competitive pokemon and being surprised. There are some interesting tactics and a lot of customization in choosing moves and pokemon though. But ya, Smogon will teach you a ton of stuff and Shoddy is the best for practicing.
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so which simulator has the most people? ill go with that one cuz thats fun!
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FTW
I enjoy randomizing the dex and EV/IV training something random in platinum... already have a lvl 100 EV/IV trained floatzel (and its AWESOME), now working on finding a 31 sp att IV houndour... been through about 60 eggs and still nothing  ...
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http://www.smogon.com/dp/pokemon/
Start here. Just click on some stuff like your favorite pokemon and start reading the strategies. You'll very quickly get a grip of basic vocab and stuff.
If you need help with some terms (what the hell is a "phazer"?) this page is nice: http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Metagame
Like any competitive game with characters that have differences, Pokemon has its own set of tiers. Competition is devided into Ubers (anything goes), Overused (OU, which bars only the most broken pocket monsters found in ubers), Underused (UU, bars OU pokes), and Never Used (NU, bars UU and up). There's other ladders, like Little Cup (lvl 5 unevolved pokemon) and dual battles.
If you're lost like I was about all the new moves and pokemons introduced since <insert when you last played>, the best resource hands down is Bulbapedia. You can also reaserch the nerdery that is IVs and EVs on this site.
http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Main_Page
(Bulbapedia has been going down frequently lately, don't be surprised by an error)
http://www.smogon.com/dp/buildteam/
The smogon online team builder lets you paste together a team using movesets from their strategy guide, and download it to Shoddy.
Currently I'm dicking around with a joke team that has a Luvdisc with Toxic/Protect/Dive/Sweet Kiss, Acupressure Shuckle w/quake and rock slide, Spinda as my Wish passer, along with a whole bunch of other useless pokemon. Fun to see people's reactions, even though I lose all the time
I'm still learning all the new moves, someone used Aqua Ring today and I wtf'd, turns out it's a baton-passable leftovers effect ?_?
Another thing that's hard to get used to is the Choice Items. The strategies behind them are still totally foreign to me...
p.s. Chill don't go to Smogon they abuse the word "metagame" all the time. It's really annoying!
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I played competitively back in the days of Gold and Silver (yes that was a long time ago), but then I moved into playing the TCG and kind of stopped battling. The only reason I even know half of them past about 350 is because of the TCG...
I have no idea what the metagame is nowadays, but it's definitely a deep, strategic and highly competitive game, at least much more so than lots of people who dismiss it as a "kids game" think.
Pokemon FTW
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I used to play pokemon competitively a lot. I recently stopped to start getting into SC. I suggest joining a clan if you are good because they are a lot of fun and clan wars can be pretty entertaining. If anyone wants to battle for lolz then pm me I guess. I'm new to this site for the most part so yea.
I used to be quite good. Placing high in Magnitude's tournament as well as TheKillerNacho's monocolor tournament, which was a lot of fun. I suggest not playing standard a lot because lower tiers like UU and NU are a lot more fun. Monocolor being my favorite haha. I used to do a lot of commentaries against some well known players. I ended in the clan DA, which has people like mmlfrostypixie, mooty, 2betheman, Uutton and became kind of known in the pokemon community. I don't suggest joining DA because they like to neglect new members though. If you have any questions about competitive pokemon, well mostly the clan aspect because I'm not the best battler out there.
Also my youtube if you want to see any of my commentaries. I haven't done any in a while and but I also did CoD commentaries because I was into MLG and on rainbow six vegas I was a semi pro. Not much to brag about though haha.
http://www.youtube.com/user/sSodaGames
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I started to play competitively when Diamond and Pearl were released. Before that I never knew of the competitive scene until I found some stuff on youtube. It's really fun if you have a smart opponent. But, there are some seriously BM people out there that d/c and blame it on you or give seriously lame excuses. It's kind of hard to find the right people.
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On June 28 2010 15:43 Kororo wrote:
But, there are some seriously BM people out there that d/c and blame it on you or give seriously lame excuses. It's kind of hard to find the right people.
The same could be said of Bnet lol
Just get a good community of mannered people. That's (in theory) what this thread is for- finding manner pokemon battles with TL people :D
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i played netbattle a few years ago, i read online about competitive shit but i never did anything other than the online simulators in that regard. The gba stuff takes waaay too long and i never had any1 to play against either.
i keep feeling like i want to go back and play pokemon (nostalgia i guess) but whenever i get around to actually getting out my gba and starting up a game, i remember how ridiculously easy it is now, and stop playing after a few mins
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If you ever want this to be even semi-acceptable you guys need to stop referring to games as "battles"...I mean....seriously..
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i used to play net battle during 3rd generation.
i had an awesome UU team and bugcatcher team.
shuckle 254 def + spec def EV, wrap, toxic, rest, protect
special electrode catches everyone off guard
azumarill for surprise value and people not knowing how to deal with it etc
with OU you have much stronger pokemon, but with UU pokes you have uncommon pokemon where you have little experience against so its harder to counter
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On June 28 2010 15:59 sob3k wrote:
If you ever want this to be even semi-acceptable you guys need to stop referring to games as "battles"...I mean....seriously..
Well, it's to differentiate battles (encounters with another team) from the actual game (Diamond, Pearl, etc) itself, no? Especially seeing as the online simulators really have nothing to do with the majority of the game at all. No leveling, no gyms, no catching, just battles.
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I've been pleased that Snorlax has been viable in every iteration of the series, even though I don't actually play competitive pokemon
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On June 28 2010 16:00 saltywet wrote:
i used to play net battle during 3rd generation.
i had an awesome UU team and bugcatcher team.
shuckle 254 def + spec def EV, wrap, toxic, rest, protect
special electrode catches everyone off guard
azumarill for surprise value and people not knowing how to deal with it etc
with OU you have much stronger pokemon, but with UU pokes you have uncommon pokemon where you have little experience against so its harder to counter
Yeah, I should get into UU (and for that matter, OU), but I don't really like just grinding matches. I play Shoddy against my friends, but that's about it.
For now, I only know OU game. I have no idea how to play Ubers, and the only thing I know about UU is the power of Curse Bibarel or Glibarel combo.
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i quit playing because of smogon x:
but if anyone wants to do i roulette battle sometime ill play
my pokes are all pokesav'd though, legal stats and movesets if you don't like it don't play.
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Once fought competitively, but soon gave up because milking stats (breeding) often involved repetitive work worse than those of Korean MMORPG. And there was my high fondness toward lower tier pokemons over more common choices. Didn't know there was computer version; if it doesn't involve massive work to form my team, I may pick it up again.
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On June 28 2010 16:27 Waxangel wrote:I've been pleased that Snorlax has been viable in every iteration of the series, even though I don't actually play competitive pokemon
Needs Slack Off, Snorlax is pretty bad this generation although it is usable
I used to play pokemon competitively. I had a pretty good record on netbattle, and then spent 300+ hours getting my team on gba. Before I entered any tournies with it, D/P came out and I was like fuck. I might restart competitive pokemon again.
Recommend against it. DPPt is a luckfest compared to the RSE gen, you'll just be extremely frustrated from all the luck from it.
p.s. Chill don't go to Smogon they abuse the word "metagame" all the time. It's really annoying!
Smogon has their own definition of the word "metagame". It's used to represent rulesets we set up to create various different games beyond the original game (ie: All tiers are "metagames", because they're "Beyond" the game due to rulesets added on by fans).
Anyway, I honestly do not getting into competitive Pokemon. It's not that great of a game that you would have expect, but that's your call I guess. I can give you reasons why if needed, but hopefully my heavy involvement with Smogon in the past should be enough to turn you away from it :>
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I played Netbattle up until DPPt came out and I never bothered to migrate to Shoddy nor learn the new metagame with the physical/special separation and junk. I battled a few times with friends on Shoddybattle but it was just with Smogon's recommended movesets  .
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I've played competitive Pokemon for a few years. I was most active back when NetBattle was still around (some years ago), but I still play oh Shoddy right now. I'm a pretty consistent ~1400 CRE battler with my teams on the Smogon server, so that's definitely above average on Smogon (and way above the general population).
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I'm gonna be on for a bit if anyone wants a game. I go by 'Jaedong' on the smogon server because I can. I'm still shit right now but slowly remembering.
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Haha I used to play netbattle all the time, now i just stick with battle factory in my Platinum version :D. I kinda hated how 4th gen split up same type attacks into physical or special, even though it made so much logical sense. So yeah, never played competitive past 3rd gen, back in the old days where my medicham cheapness actually worked
Current 1v1 open level streak is 28 wooo~
Also, I love watching Haydunn vids!
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On June 28 2010 23:46 Bibbit wrote:
I'm gonna be on for a bit if anyone wants a game. I go by 'Jaedong' on the smogon server because I can. I'm still shit right now but slowly remembering.
I also use this server. my account is TyRanT MeLody
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So I've played a bunch of games and have learned its incredibly annoying when you get a crit when you woulda killed without it but the person complains anyway. So annoying. :/
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On June 29 2010 05:51 Bibbit wrote:
So I've played a bunch of games and have learned its incredibly annoying when you get a crit when you woulda killed without it but the person complains anyway. So annoying. :/
People complain about everything. It's best not to type in the chat. Also, having others gg prematurely is annoying as well. I don't bother typing anything on the server.
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cmon people! join us on Shoddy! theres only 2 known TLers
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oh god i'm so bad now. i played gen 3 competitively, since it was still easy to understand and made sense to me. now we've ditched stadium mode and actually use all this new crap that i dont even understand >.<
what happened to the simple sweeper/wall/annoyer/passer era? QQ
Shoddy - Smogon
mkseRapH i really suck tho, i've only played like 4 real matches, using the same team with a few tweaks
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On June 28 2010 12:01 Bibbit wrote:Alright, I know you guys are out there from this thread. And in an effort to not shit on that thread, I made this.
Thank you.
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Going to try some of this out.. going by "synapsii" on smogon server
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Hi im sorry, but i dont know anything about Pokemon. What do you mean with "playing pokemon Competivly?". I mean, via Nintendo DS? or another PC program?
ty
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I got into Shoddy Battle quite a bit a while back. My friend recommended it to me and it was really interesting to learn about all the background mechanics in Pokemon, and one interesting fact led to another which eventually led me to playing it competitively. I never became that good though, the friend that told me about it was pretty damn good.
Edit: Yeah I only played OU, nothing else seemed worth it in my eyes.
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I play on Shoddy once in a while and mainly stick with the normal OU teams. How popular is Uber?
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I used to play on shoddy a lot about a year ago. I experimented with a lot of teams until I found one that I just grew to love, a Walrein ice team. This team would net me a lot of free wins from people who disconnected because I would play like Flash; always camping, always waiting, always planning. Many people don't have the patience to deal with a turtle team.
I would open Azelf who I consider the best starter by far, especially with explosion. After taking out the first pokemon, or with a little luck, 2 or 3, I would switch to Obamasnow and get my ice falling. Other than the autohail, Obamasnow isn't a very great pokemon, but I would try to camp with him using protect and switchouts all the while damaging the other team with my hail. I then transitions to either skarmory or blissey depending on the pokemon and this combination is quite strong and allows me to tank damage while the other team is getting hailed on (Always use leftovers). Depending on the composition I would need a late game sweeper so I used Mamoswine to bring the hurt and finish people off late game. And last but certainly not least is Walrein, the star of my team. The ice combined with leftovers, protect and substitute allows Walrein to turtle until his PP runs out (or players are smart and change the weather). I can usually use him to kill 1 or 2 people and sweep with surf if needed. I love that walrus because he's so goddamn goofy looking.
So that's my team that got me to 1400 on Shoddy battle's OU. The counters I had the most trouble with were sand teams because that kind ruins your ice advantage (and nullifies walrein) and teams that were heavy on sweepers (Gyarados was a big problem for me and I would have to lucky with Obamasnow, same thing for salmence. Cresselia was also a pain in the ass to deal with as she can sometimes out-turtle you.
So that's my build, give a try if you want. It's not perfect by any means, but I don't think there is a perfect pokemon team. A lot of this game is luck, but the heart of the game is crafting a team you like and thing is special and/or unique. Many people don't give Walrein enough love but he's more than viable on shoddy.
*Also I know it's Abomasnow, but Obamasnow is just more awesome.
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I used to play a long time ago on netbattle, I've never really played seriously on shoddy cept with baller teams made of pokemon like
Doom Desire Jirachi
Defensive Stallmence
Defcurl + Rollout Lax
Full Physical Togekiss
Transforming Smergle
etc.
Also, the UU metagame is much more fun than uber (and maybe standard)
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On June 30 2010 09:10 Athos wrote:
I used to play on shoddy a lot about a year ago. I experimented with a lot of teams until I found one that I just grew to love, a Walrein ice team. This team would net me a lot of free wins from people who disconnected because I would play like Flash; always camping, always waiting, always planning. Many people don't have the patience to deal with a turtle team.
I would open Azelf who I consider the best starter by far, especially with explosion. After taking out the first pokemon, or with a little luck, 2 or 3, I would switch to Obamasnow and get my ice falling. Other than the autohail, Obamasnow isn't a very great pokemon, but I would try to camp with him using protect and switchouts all the while damaging the other team with my hail. I then transitions to either skarmory or blissey depending on the pokemon and this combination is quite strong and allows me to tank damage while the other team is getting hailed on (Always use leftovers). Depending on the composition I would need a late game sweeper so I used Mamoswine to bring the hurt and finish people off late game. And last but certainly not least is Walrein, the star of my team. The ice combined with leftovers, protect and substitute allows Walrein to turtle until his PP runs out (or players are smart and change the weather). I can usually use him to kill 1 or 2 people and sweep with surf if needed. I love that walrus because he's so goddamn goofy looking.
So that's my team that got me to 1400 on Shoddy battle's OU. The counters I had the most trouble with were sand teams because that kind ruins your ice advantage (and nullifies walrein) and teams that were heavy on sweepers (Gyarados was a big problem for me and I would have to lucky with Obamasnow, same thing for salmence. Cresselia was also a pain in the ass to deal with as she can sometimes out-turtle you.
So that's my build, give a try if you want. It's not perfect by any means, but I don't think there is a perfect pokemon team. A lot of this game is luck, but the heart of the game is crafting a team you like and thing is special and/or unique. Many people don't give Walrein enough love but he's more than viable on shoddy.
*Also I know it's Abomasnow, but Obamasnow is just more awesome.
Hahaha if you're the one who uses Obamasnow, then I've played you before. I think you rage quit against my choice team under the screenname SweetTea.
Specs Azelf/Vap
Scarf Gengar
CB Scizor/Gross/Snorlax.
EDIT: It's actually surprisingly effective on Shoddy. I'm holding at low 1400 CRE, and pretty much all I do is leave it running in the background while I browse the internet, and every once in a while attack. You won't believe how many blind Surfs I've launched with Vaporeon lol.
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On June 30 2010 14:41 Empyrean wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2010 09:10 Athos wrote:
I used to play on shoddy a lot about a year ago. I experimented with a lot of teams until I found one that I just grew to love, a Walrein ice team. This team would net me a lot of free wins from people who disconnected because I would play like Flash; always camping, always waiting, always planning. Many people don't have the patience to deal with a turtle team.
I would open Azelf who I consider the best starter by far, especially with explosion. After taking out the first pokemon, or with a little luck, 2 or 3, I would switch to Obamasnow and get my ice falling. Other than the autohail, Obamasnow isn't a very great pokemon, but I would try to camp with him using protect and switchouts all the while damaging the other team with my hail. I then transitions to either skarmory or blissey depending on the pokemon and this combination is quite strong and allows me to tank damage while the other team is getting hailed on (Always use leftovers). Depending on the composition I would need a late game sweeper so I used Mamoswine to bring the hurt and finish people off late game. And last but certainly not least is Walrein, the star of my team. The ice combined with leftovers, protect and substitute allows Walrein to turtle until his PP runs out (or players are smart and change the weather). I can usually use him to kill 1 or 2 people and sweep with surf if needed. I love that walrus because he's so goddamn goofy looking.
So that's my team that got me to 1400 on Shoddy battle's OU. The counters I had the most trouble with were sand teams because that kind ruins your ice advantage (and nullifies walrein) and teams that were heavy on sweepers (Gyarados was a big problem for me and I would have to lucky with Obamasnow, same thing for salmence. Cresselia was also a pain in the ass to deal with as she can sometimes out-turtle you.
So that's my build, give a try if you want. It's not perfect by any means, but I don't think there is a perfect pokemon team. A lot of this game is luck, but the heart of the game is crafting a team you like and thing is special and/or unique. Many people don't give Walrein enough love but he's more than viable on shoddy.
*Also I know it's Abomasnow, but Obamasnow is just more awesome. Hahaha if you're the one who uses Obamasnow, then I've played you before. I think you rage quit against my choice team under the screenname SweetTea. Specs Azelf/Vap Scarf Gengar CB Scizor/Gross/Snorlax. EDIT: It's actually surprisingly effective on Shoddy. I'm holding at low 1400 CRE, and pretty much all I do is leave it running in the background while I browse the internet, and every once in a while attack. You won't believe how many blind Surfs I've launched with Vaporeon lol.
It's probably not me as I haven't played in a year and Obamasnow is a pretty popular name (it just works too well).
But yeah, I love using first gen pokemon but I was never able to make it work in the OU metagame. Maybe if I gave it a bit more time and thought I could do it.
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I'm Kpyolysis32 on Shoddybattle, for any of you who see me. I think my highest was around 1850 CRE, but that was back when Wobbuffet was legal, and most of my wins came from abusing it. If you see, definitely challenge me!
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how can you compete?
if i remember correctly theres moves that constantly lower your opponents accuracy and they just keep missing lololol
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On June 30 2010 22:51 Mykill wrote:
how can you compete?
if i remember correctly theres moves that constantly lower your opponents accuracy and they just keep missing lololol
You can set a clause that bans accuracy-lowering moves.
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How does one compete in pokemon? You use them to battle? But weren't the player's pokemans always way better than everyone else's? I mean, you fight through 9347693872469 battles in the game, without losing a single one. Frequently Pokemon have 1-hit kill attacks. How do you even battle?
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On July 01 2010 00:23 MangoTango wrote:
How does one compete in pokemon? You use them to battle? But weren't the player's pokemans always way better than everyone else's? I mean, you fight through 9347693872469 battles in the game, without losing a single one. Frequently Pokemon have 1-hit kill attacks. How do you even battle?
Hey see for yourself in Shoddy Battle. its not the fucking RPG.
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On June 28 2010 13:02 Onlinejaguar wrote:
I had no idea pokemon was a competitive game. lol.
Pretty much every computer and console game in the world has a competitive community. My friend plays neopets on a "high competitive level". lol
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my name on shoddybattle is sonofashrub
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On June 30 2010 23:19 synapse wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2010 22:51 Mykill wrote:
how can you compete?
if i remember correctly theres moves that constantly lower your opponents accuracy and they just keep missing lololol You can set a clause that bans accuracy-lowering moves.
No such clause exists. There's clauses for banning evasion increasing moves (with the exception of Acupuncture).
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I played alot of Smogon last year, I also pokesavd a bunch of pokemon onto my Pearl and tossed 8 year old Japanese boys at the battle tower :D.
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On July 01 2010 04:19 Milkis wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2010 23:19 synapse wrote:On June 30 2010 22:51 Mykill wrote:
how can you compete?
if i remember correctly theres moves that constantly lower your opponents accuracy and they just keep missing lololol You can set a clause that bans accuracy-lowering moves. No such clause exists. There's clauses for banning evasion increasing moves (with the exception of Acupuncture).
Mmm I just checked the list of clauses and you are correct. It makes sense, you can just switch out.
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I'm on Shoddy right now if anybody wants to play, I'm on the smogon university server username: maggalo, I'm setting up a team for Pokemon Online right now.
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Hey what's everyone's thoughts on what they hope Nintendo does with Black/White??
Stealth Rock single-handedly made me quit the scene this gen, so I hope they do something about it.
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On July 29 2010 11:17 ndralcasid wrote:
Hey what's everyone's thoughts on what they hope Nintendo does with Black/White??
Stealth Rock single-handedly made me quit the scene this gen, so I hope they do something about it.
If Stealth Rock annoys you so much, carrying a spinner is likely a good investment
Also, Nintendo doesn't care especially about the metagame, so I doubt Black/White will do anything to remedy any imbalances.
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I was on shoddy about a year ago, my CRE was around 1500 or so.
I'm getting back into it now, recently, actually. My name on the smogon server is Wickerbasket.
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"Bliss " on Shoddy.
Yes, there's a space. I just find trying to create a team too time consuming. Would rather play games. I wonder if anyone has HeartGold/SoulSilver?
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I don't play, but I recently got into watching commented matches online. I usually follow TheKillerNacho (he stopped though =/ ), MTGXerxes, FrostyPixie, BlameTruth, etc. I'm starting to pick up on the metagame as in moves, abilities, and items. It's pretty interesting.
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The metagame has changed a lot with regards to tier lists, which have been pretty stupid at times. I use to play as Upmagic on Shoddy, Clefable was my favorite tanker no matter what.
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Damn I used to play on Netbattle all the time and was pretty damn good, but I haven't kept up with any of the Diamond/Pearl additions so I just stopped playing once that came out.
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I tried to get into this long time ago, but I had no dedication lol. Everything just hurt my head.
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I've looked into this before as well as breeding. I was overwhelmed by the complexity of everything and put my pokemon away.
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I've been playing the battle factory ever since I beat platinum since my team was overpowered to the point it just got boring, and I didn't want to raise my pokemon to level 100 but I liked the random stragety element (even though the battlehead cheats) and it was way more interesting but I've been looking into competitive pokebattling from blametruth and now I think it is something I might want to do
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I think Pokemon Online is the better simulator right now. My IGN is Stork and I usually play on the main server. I'll post my team in a minute, it's ok but I'm not really getting anywhere with it. I have a big fire weakness I need to address.
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bumping the thread. if anyone wants to play some games on pokemon online just send me a PM, it's a lot better than shoddybattle imo
right now im using:
Metagross @ Occa Berry
Trait: Clear Body
EVs: 252 HP / 236 Atk / 12 Def / 8 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Stealth Rock
- Explosion
- Bullet Punch
- Meteor Mash
Gengar (M) @ Choice Scarf
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Spd / 252 SAtk
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Shadow Ball
- Energy Ball
- Thunderbolt
- Trick
Scizor (M) @ Choice Band
Trait: Swarm
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- U-turn
- Bullet Punch
- Pursuit
- Superpower
Salamence (M) @ Life Orb
Trait: Intimidate
EVs: 232 Atk / 252 Spd / 24 SAtk
Naive Nature (+Spd, -SDef)
- Dragon Dance
- Outrage
- Earthquake
- Fire Blast
Magnezone @ Leftovers
Trait: Magnet Pull
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Spd / 252 SAtk
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Magnet Rise
- Substitute
- Thunderbolt
- Hidden Power [Grass]
Starmie @ Choice Scarf
Trait: Illuminate
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Spd / 252 SAtk
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Ice Beam
- Surf
- Psychic
- Rapid Spin
my main issue is dealing with bulky waters and im using magnezone to trap heatran and counter swampert. swamperts and other bulky waters can still give me some trouble. advice?
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On August 18 2010 10:39 DoctorHelvetica wrote:bumping the thread. if anyone wants to play some games on pokemon online just send me a PM, it's a lot better than shoddybattle imo right now im using: + Show Spoiler +
Metagross @ Occa Berry
Trait: Clear Body
EVs: 252 HP / 236 Atk / 12 Def / 8 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Stealth Rock
- Explosion
- Bullet Punch
- Meteor Mash
Gengar (M) @ Choice Scarf
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Spd / 252 SAtk
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Shadow Ball
- Energy Ball
- Thunderbolt
- Trick
Scizor (M) @ Choice Band
Trait: Swarm
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- U-turn
- Bullet Punch
- Pursuit
- Superpower
Salamence (M) @ Life Orb
Trait: Intimidate
EVs: 232 Atk / 252 Spd / 24 SAtk
Naive Nature (+Spd, -SDef)
- Dragon Dance
- Outrage
- Earthquake
- Fire Blast
Magnezone @ Leftovers
Trait: Magnet Pull
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Spd / 252 SAtk
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Magnet Rise
- Substitute
- Thunderbolt
- Hidden Power [Grass]
Starmie @ Choice Scarf
Trait: Illuminate
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Spd / 252 SAtk
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Ice Beam
- Surf
- Psychic
- Rapid Spin
my main issue is dealing with bulky waters and im using magnezone to trap heatran and counter swampert. swamperts and other bulky waters can still give me some trouble. advice?
Celebi is a great option for getting rid of bulky waters (I run Grass Knot, Recover, Toxic, and Perish Song). Another plus to Celebi is that it almost 100% lures out both Heatran and Scizor. Heatran is often choiced, which allows you to switch to your Salamence (isn't Salamence banned now?) and get a free Dragon Dance, while you can take down Scizor with Magnezone trap.
EDIT: or try running Grass Knot on your Starmie, Psychic really only nets you coverage on Gengar and Machamp, neither of which your team is especially weak to
double EDIT: go put technician on your scizor right now, and natural cure on your starmie
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On August 18 2010 11:12 infinitestory wrote:
Celebi is a great option for getting rid of bulky waters (I run Grass Knot, Recover, Toxic, and Perish Song). Another plus to Celebi is that it almost 100% lures out both Heatran and Scizor. Heatran is often choiced, which allows you to switch to your Salamence (isn't Salamence banned now?) and get a free Dragon Dance, while you can take down Scizor with Magnezone trap.
He's not using shoddybattle so by extension I don't think he's playing on Smogon servers.
Personally I don't think I'm all that qualified to comment on the team because I really haven't been keeping up with what a metagame with Salamence is like.
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British gliscor is the gayest set ever. sand veil needs a nerf.
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so true...i used to scoff at the idea of truly competitive pokemon until i was exposed to the strategical depth of the game.
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Salamence is uber now, so he's banned from OU.
Or at least this is the case on Shoddy, I'm not sure how it is on Pokemon Online (for example on PO Wynaut isn't banned from OU while it is on Shoddy)
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My team is:
Red Leader (Smeargle) (F) @ Focus Sash
Ability: Own Tempo
EVs: 252 Atk/6 Def/252 Spd
Naive nature (+Spd, -SDef)
- Spore
- Endeavor
- Extremespeed
- Stealth Rock
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Red King (Steelix) (M) @ Chesto Berry
Ability: Rock Head
EVs: 252 HP/6 Atk/252 SDef
Sassy nature (+SDef, -Spd)
- Curse
- Gyro Ball
- Rest
- Earthquake
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Red Joker (Gengar) (M) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 100 Atk/252 Spd/158 SAtk
Hasty nature (+Spd, -Def)
- Shadow Ball
- Trick
- Focus Blast
- Explosion
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Red Queen (Dragonite) (F) @ Leftovers
Ability: Inner Focus
EVs: 248 HP/44 Spd/218 SDef
Calm nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Toxic
- Roost
- Flamethrower
- Heal Bell
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Red Ace (Starmie) @ Life Orb
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 6 HP/252 Spd/252 SAtk
Modest nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Surf
- Thunderbolt
- Ice Beam
- Psychic
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Red Knight (Infernape) (M) @ Life Orb
Ability: Blaze
EVs: 252 Atk/192 Spd/64 SAtk
Hasty nature (+Spd, -Def)
- Mach Punch
- Overheat
- U-turn
- Close Combat
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The team works wonders
Smeargle - lead, can usually take out at least one other pokemon (plus more if the opponent doesn't catch on) as well as sleep one and set up stealth rock
Steelix - physical wall, comes in handy lategame when there might be nothing to properly deal with him
Gengar - he is my super fast special attacker/card-up-sleeve, deals with difficult pokemon such as stallers with trick and explosion
Dragonite - special wall/toxic staller/cleric, very easy to switch into and very tough, just have to look out for ice attacks
Starmie - special sweeper, especially helpful against gyrados and dragons.
Infernape - mixed sweeper/revenge killer, I used to have a scizor here but I had nothing to deal with heatran plus infernape generally outperforms him. Works well with smeargle to finnish off pokemon and to scout with u-turn.
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I used to play it on shoddybattle quite a bit on the smogon server back in Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald. I tried to get back into it during Diamond/Pearl but really never found the time or the interests to keep up.
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When did salamence get moved to uber? I haven't kept up lately.
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I used be an avid smogoner and wifi/shoddy battler back in the day. Since I formatted my computer, I didn't bother to save my shoddy team, so if I go back to play I will have to remake a team. My username on shoddy's smogon server was Nate though. Was about 1400ish.
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I played shoddy for a while
But the fire inside of me dimmed :\
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My team:
+ Show Spoiler +Swampert (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Torrent
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def
Relaxed Nature (+Def, -Spd)
- Stealth Rock
- Earthquake
- Ice Beam
- Surf
Lead. Dents many other leads (especially ones that predictably use Taunt), sets up Stealth Rock pretty reliably, and can come back VERY often in the game to sponge physical hits.
Celebi @ Leftovers
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 Spd
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Grass Knot
- Perish Song
- Recover
- Toxic
Stops bulky waters and setup pokemon cold. Sponges damage, then heals it right back.
Gyarados (F) @ Life Orb
Trait: Intimidate
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Taunt
- Dragon Dance
- Waterfall
- Stone Edge
My primary setup sweeper. Taunt catches most T-Wave users completely off guard, and leaves some physical walls unable to wall Gyarados, often giving me a free DD on the switch.
Heatran (F) @ Choice Scarf
Trait: Flash Fire
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Spd / 252 SAtk
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Flamethrower
- Explosion
- Dragon Pulse
- Earth Power
A team core. Takes fire-type hits aimed at Celebi, then gives Togekiss and Gyarados ground-type hits to set up on, often choiced. It'll tear through teams that have nothing to stop it.
Infernape (F) @ Life Orb
Trait: Blaze
EVs: 252 Atk / 192 Spd / 64 SAtk
Naive Nature (+Spd, -SDef)
- Close Combat
- U-turn
- Overheat
- Stone Edge
Plays a similar role to Heatran, but breaks walls more easily, especially Blissey. Dents even pokemon that resists its moves.
Togekiss (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Serene Grace
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Spd / 252 SDef
Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Body Slam
- Air Slash
- Roost
- Aura Sphere
Basically a flying Blissey. Even super effective BoltBeam hits from Life Orbed pokemon often don't hit the 50% needed to take Togekiss out. It also spreads paralysis and kills slow or paralyzed pokemon.
A team which is strangely effective for one which is heavy on the special attackers.
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I used to play "Competitively" on my DS not on SB 
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Edit: NVM....after trying one last desperate search for him, I found it. Sorry =(
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