• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 11:16
CET 17:16
KST 01:16
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros10
Community News
RSL Season 3: RO16 results & RO8 bracket13Weekly Cups (Nov 10-16): Reynor, Solar lead Zerg surge1[TLMC] Fall/Winter 2025 Ladder Map Rotation14Weekly Cups (Nov 3-9): Clem Conquers in Canada4SC: Evo Complete - Ranked Ladder OPEN ALPHA14
StarCraft 2
General
SC: Evo Complete - Ranked Ladder OPEN ALPHA RSL Season 3: RO16 results & RO8 bracket RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview Mech is the composition that needs teleportation t GM / Master map hacker and general hacking and cheating thread
Tourneys
RSL Revival: Season 3 $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship StarCraft Evolution League (SC Evo Biweekly) Constellation Cup - Main Event - Stellar Fest 2025 RSL Offline Finals Dates + Ticket Sales!
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 500 Fright night Mutation # 499 Chilling Adaptation Mutation # 498 Wheel of Misfortune|Cradle of Death Mutation # 497 Battle Haredened
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ 2v2 maps which are SC2 style with teams together? Data analysis on 70 million replays soO on: FanTaSy's Potential Return to StarCraft A cwal.gg Extension - Easily keep track of anyone
Tourneys
[BSL21] RO16 Tie Breaker - Group B - Sun 21:00 CET [BSL21] RO16 Tie Breaker - Group A - Sat 21:00 CET [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0
Strategy
Current Meta Game Theory for Starcraft How to stay on top of macro? PvZ map balance
Other Games
General Games
Path of Exile Nintendo Switch Thread Should offensive tower rushing be viable in RTS games? Clair Obscur - Expedition 33 Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread The Games Industry And ATVI Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine About SC2SEA.COM
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread Korean Music Discussion
Sports
Formula 1 Discussion 2024 - 2026 Football Thread NBA General Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
The Health Impact of Joining…
TrAiDoS
Dyadica Evangelium — Chapt…
Hildegard
Saturation point
Uldridge
DnB/metal remix FFO Mick Go…
ImbaTosS
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1994 users

League of Legends [New forum, check OP!] - Page 961

Forum Index > General Games
Post a Reply
Prev 1 959 960 961 962 963 1431 Next
Phrost
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States4008 Posts
September 21 2010 14:44 GMT
#19201
They're not going to nerf Miss Fortune. Morello said he thinks shes in a good place and isn't even as strong of a carry as tristana is.
iamphrost.tumblr.com // http://howtobebettermagicplayer.tumblr.com // twitter @phrost_
r33k
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Italy3402 Posts
September 21 2010 14:44 GMT
#19202
On September 21 2010 23:36 Jazriel wrote:
Is Teemo/WW/Shaco still the best possible 3v3 team?

Last time I checked Kennen and Mundo were the top 2 TT champs, but that was before the kennen rework so idk. Still cleavers to the face hurt A LOT, I don't see why one would want to run without mundo.
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-21 14:58:25
September 21 2010 14:46 GMT
#19203
On September 21 2010 22:42 redtooth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2010 13:30 Mogwai wrote:
oh god, what have they done to manamune, LOL. it was barely any good already, and now it's TERRIBLE, lmao.
manamune was awesome.... what are you talking about?

It was pretty good for a sub 2K item. Now it costs over 2K and doesn't provide the same AD as a BF Sword until you have 2K mana. Definitely not worth it now.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
ghen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1356 Posts
September 21 2010 14:51 GMT
#19204
On September 21 2010 23:44 Phrost wrote:
They're not going to nerf Miss Fortune. Morello said he thinks shes in a good place and isn't even as strong of a carry as tristana is.


He must not be brave.
Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
September 21 2010 14:53 GMT
#19205
On September 21 2010 23:51 ghen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2010 23:44 Phrost wrote:
They're not going to nerf Miss Fortune. Morello said he thinks shes in a good place and isn't even as strong of a carry as tristana is.


He must not be brave.

personally i cant wait for the bravemat build to finally become more popular as the shitty manamune becomes even shittier
Watch me fail at Paradox: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=397564
scDeluX
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Canada1341 Posts
September 21 2010 14:59 GMT
#19206
On September 21 2010 22:32 barbsq wrote:
lol, thats actually kinda rare that a tl premade would look so tryhard. I was just practicing my jungle mummy that game (if i am correct in the game you are talking about?). Usually its a little more silly, playing odd team comps or just supposedly 'bad' heroes (utah playing eve is amusing). Also, judge 5hit on his cho play, which is quite stellar esp in comparison to his mf (<3 u 5hit)


It wasnt aimed at bashing or anything, his elo is in the 1400 so i know he is a decent/good player.
I just don't know why he kept saying he is not good and fed early game.

You actually impressed me in that game, i don't know if you remember when you did the bandage toss from our 2nd mid tower to the right it was like triple ranged cause she flashed or something I loled at this one pretty hard.

I was the Mundo, it was a fun game, I'd do more for sure.
Brood War is forever
Brees
Profile Joined January 2010
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-21 15:01:46
September 21 2010 15:00 GMT
#19207
MF seems pretty lackluster to me, channeled ult on an auto attack hero. I never seen any of them do that much, just ult and shoot a couple bullets. rather have more lololol tank AOE fest

and yea tristana >> MF easily

I think people forget that carries are SUPPOSED to get kills. going 10-2 or w/e doesnt make you OP, just means that your team gave you the kills like what should happen. Taric underpowered emirite?
Brees on in
ghen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1356 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-21 15:06:44
September 21 2010 15:05 GMT
#19208
On September 21 2010 23:53 Caller wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2010 23:51 ghen wrote:
On September 21 2010 23:44 Phrost wrote:
They're not going to nerf Miss Fortune. Morello said he thinks shes in a good place and isn't even as strong of a carry as tristana is.


He must not be brave.

personally i cant wait for the bravemat build to finally become more popular as the shitty manamune becomes even shittier


I played MF for the first time yesterday and said I was going tiamats. I was coerced BY TEAM LIQUID to not do it! CAN YOU IMAGINE? The humanity of it all.

So anyone wanna take bets on when the server will be up?

Available guesses are: any minute now, this afternoon, after I go to bed tonight, tomorrow morning, or the ever popular: riot can't fix shit.
Phrost
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States4008 Posts
September 21 2010 15:07 GMT
#19209
MF has a much stronger early game than Trist and Ashe but is less of a "im farmed we win" kinda carry at the late game.

She suffers if the enemy team has a good way to engage on her (usually via Warwick or Xin Zhao, although akali and jax can also initiate they aren't popular picks) and he team doesnt peel she's usually dead.
iamphrost.tumblr.com // http://howtobebettermagicplayer.tumblr.com // twitter @phrost_
Phrost
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States4008 Posts
September 21 2010 15:07 GMT
#19210
On September 21 2010 23:36 Jazriel wrote:
Is Teemo/WW/Shaco still the best possible 3v3 team?



A combination of WW, Udyr, Poppy, and Mundo are probably the best 3v3 combo.
iamphrost.tumblr.com // http://howtobebettermagicplayer.tumblr.com // twitter @phrost_
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
September 21 2010 15:10 GMT
#19211
Tristana's early game is really underrated. That bitch hits really hard really fast with her abilities. I think it's stronger than MF's early game.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
Phrost
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States4008 Posts
September 21 2010 15:12 GMT
#19212
On September 22 2010 00:10 Mogwai wrote:
Tristana's early game is really underrated. That bitch hits really hard really fast with her abilities. I think it's stronger than MF's early game.


Her auto attack? I mean if you include her jump the amount of danger she puts herself in is far more than dancing in circles trying to line up good double-ups
iamphrost.tumblr.com // http://howtobebettermagicplayer.tumblr.com // twitter @phrost_
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
September 21 2010 15:15 GMT
#19213
Maybe it's just that I play Pantheon, but against MF, I just position myself in front of my creeps and pick a fight with MF, pulling that crap with Trist just gets me killed.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
September 21 2010 15:16 GMT
#19214
On September 22 2010 00:07 Phrost wrote:
MF has a much stronger early game than Ashe

Great comparision. Who has that not?
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
Brees
Profile Joined January 2010
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-21 15:19:44
September 21 2010 15:19 GMT
#19215
MF has a good early game because people have this complex for some reason that they fear her and stay behind creeps. You know what happens when you zone her? she cant hit you with the harder hit of double-up. shes weak as fuck if she cant poke, which is what most people let her do. same applies to vlad pre lvl 9.
Brees on in
Jazriel
Profile Joined April 2008
Canada404 Posts
September 21 2010 15:19 GMT
#19216
Doing some theorycrafting since the servers are down. The official site says Gangplank's Raise Morale doesn't have an AP bonus to it, is this up-to-date?

To save myself some time, has anyone already done (or where can I find) efficiency values for +dmg runes vs apen vs +crit% runes? I'm wondering that since +dmg runes will provide double the value on GP 'cause of parrley if there's some kind of magic number I could figure out. GP can carry pretty easily vs bad teams, but he really just don't cut it in terms of being a tank or having great DPS (loses to armor pretty hard) late-game.
#1 LoL player
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-21 15:25:56
September 21 2010 15:25 GMT
#19217
On September 21 2010 20:58 r33k wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2010 20:10 Flicky wrote:
On September 21 2010 19:58 BluzMan wrote:
Just went 1-4 with Sion for the first time. Dude looked so strong when other people played him, but now I'm somewhat dazzled because he didn't feel nearly as good.

Advice on itembuild? I tried the generic AP stuff and it didn't really make me do imba damage.


Doran's Ring
Sheen
Boots
Mejai's
Lich Bane
Sorceror's Shoes, Mercury Treads or Ninja Tabi. Up to you.
Zhonya's Ring
From here you can get Banshee's or whatever else you want. Void Staff is fun.

I like QWWEWQWQWRR then max Q and E. You can also max E before Q if you want. Ghost and Ignite. Once you get Sheen you can own your lane. W -> Hit opponent, Q -> Hit Opponent, Detonate -> hit will force most heroes to die or retreat. It's really easy to sit in the grass near a half health opponent. Turn on shield, Ghost up to them, stun and kill.

21/0/9 masteries I like. Imp Ghost.

Ignite is not needed, Sion is a champ with a free 2nd summoner and since you will be going 9/0/21 all the time both flash, exhaust, teleport and clairvoyance are better choices than ignite.

Mejai's isn't needed either but ofc it's a situational item, if you see yourself steamrolling them go ahead and take it. You will kill most people by bashing them in the face, your shield doesn't really make you an assist-bot.

Glacial shroud is fantastic on sion, I get it after boots 1 most of the times, mercs will be my 3rd item and will be done by midgame.

Some people get mobility's boots because the +5 doesn't fade if you get hit while your shield is on and they exploit the huge change of pace to get a couple kills on unsuspecting opponents, tbh it only works the first couple times. I like using teleport thus I don't feel the need for the mobility either.

Sion's burst makes him a beastly ganker/brush camper, but unlike garen you can unleash the pain while running with ghost on. I like giving my right-clicks more damage to make sure I have something after my shield pops, especially because autoattacking champs with my ult will allow me to survive fights where otherwise I would explode.

E over Q is often better, since a single CDR item equals 2 ranks on Q, and your Q is not a nuke until you have lategame AP.

Man ive played pubs vs fed sion

my god do i want tok ill myself
had one who just could 1v5 the entire team and come out on top with his ridiculous lifesteal

And personally i dont think MF needs a nerf..Ill atleast play the game with her in it, but everytime i see Kog'Maw on the loading screen ij ust give up completely
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
Phrost
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States4008 Posts
September 21 2010 15:32 GMT
#19218
On September 22 2010 00:16 spinesheath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2010 00:07 Phrost wrote:
MF has a much stronger early game than Ashe

Great comparision. Who has that not?


uh.. Vlad is probably worse until level 7
iamphrost.tumblr.com // http://howtobebettermagicplayer.tumblr.com // twitter @phrost_
Phrost
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States4008 Posts
September 21 2010 15:34 GMT
#19219
On September 22 2010 00:25 arb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2010 20:58 r33k wrote:
On September 21 2010 20:10 Flicky wrote:
On September 21 2010 19:58 BluzMan wrote:
Just went 1-4 with Sion for the first time. Dude looked so strong when other people played him, but now I'm somewhat dazzled because he didn't feel nearly as good.

Advice on itembuild? I tried the generic AP stuff and it didn't really make me do imba damage.


Doran's Ring
Sheen
Boots
Mejai's
Lich Bane
Sorceror's Shoes, Mercury Treads or Ninja Tabi. Up to you.
Zhonya's Ring
From here you can get Banshee's or whatever else you want. Void Staff is fun.

I like QWWEWQWQWRR then max Q and E. You can also max E before Q if you want. Ghost and Ignite. Once you get Sheen you can own your lane. W -> Hit opponent, Q -> Hit Opponent, Detonate -> hit will force most heroes to die or retreat. It's really easy to sit in the grass near a half health opponent. Turn on shield, Ghost up to them, stun and kill.

21/0/9 masteries I like. Imp Ghost.

Ignite is not needed, Sion is a champ with a free 2nd summoner and since you will be going 9/0/21 all the time both flash, exhaust, teleport and clairvoyance are better choices than ignite.

Mejai's isn't needed either but ofc it's a situational item, if you see yourself steamrolling them go ahead and take it. You will kill most people by bashing them in the face, your shield doesn't really make you an assist-bot.

Glacial shroud is fantastic on sion, I get it after boots 1 most of the times, mercs will be my 3rd item and will be done by midgame.

Some people get mobility's boots because the +5 doesn't fade if you get hit while your shield is on and they exploit the huge change of pace to get a couple kills on unsuspecting opponents, tbh it only works the first couple times. I like using teleport thus I don't feel the need for the mobility either.

Sion's burst makes him a beastly ganker/brush camper, but unlike garen you can unleash the pain while running with ghost on. I like giving my right-clicks more damage to make sure I have something after my shield pops, especially because autoattacking champs with my ult will allow me to survive fights where otherwise I would explode.

E over Q is often better, since a single CDR item equals 2 ranks on Q, and your Q is not a nuke until you have lategame AP.

Man ive played pubs vs fed sion

my god do i want tok ill myself
had one who just could 1v5 the entire team and come out on top with his ridiculous lifesteal

And personally i dont think MF needs a nerf..Ill atleast play the game with her in it, but everytime i see Kog'Maw on the loading screen ij ust give up completely



Kog'maw isn't really that big of a deal. People just need to learn to deal with him just like they were supposed to have to deal with heimer (but he got nerfed instead)

Keep a ward by their red buff and steal it every time it spawns, I 100% GAREN-tee he will stop wrecking your team.
iamphrost.tumblr.com // http://howtobebettermagicplayer.tumblr.com // twitter @phrost_
radmax86
Profile Joined September 2004
United States437 Posts
September 21 2010 15:34 GMT
#19220
On September 21 2010 23:53 Caller wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2010 23:51 ghen wrote:
On September 21 2010 23:44 Phrost wrote:
They're not going to nerf Miss Fortune. Morello said he thinks shes in a good place and isn't even as strong of a carry as tristana is.


He must not be brave.

personally i cant wait for the bravemat build to finally become more popular as the shitty manamune becomes even shittier


Stop pretending like your tiamat build is actually good. It takes you 45 min+ to farm your items every game, and stacking tiamats isn't any better on MF than it is on the other ranged carries.

[image loading]
Prev 1 959 960 961 962 963 1431 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 3h 44m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RotterdaM 360
IndyStarCraft 94
BRAT_OK 14
MindelVK 5
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 25094
Hyuk 14629
Calm 3854
Rain 2851
GuemChi 848
Larva 273
firebathero 270
BeSt 174
Backho 74
Barracks 35
[ Show more ]
Killer 29
ToSsGirL 26
scan(afreeca) 17
zelot 17
JulyZerg 16
HiyA 15
SilentControl 12
Sacsri 11
Oya187 9
Shine 9
Bale 7
Dota 2
Gorgc8282
qojqva2723
singsing2376
Dendi906
XcaliburYe138
League of Legends
Reynor95
Counter-Strike
ScreaM2802
byalli484
allub331
oskar135
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor487
Other Games
Hui .430
FrodaN388
Fuzer 298
crisheroes287
Pyrionflax274
XaKoH 98
KnowMe95
Dewaltoss27
ArmadaUGS13
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream27578
Other Games
EGCTV1393
WardiTV277
StarCraft: Brood War
lovetv 13
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 17 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH186
• poizon28 15
• Kozan
• Migwel
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• sooper7s
• intothetv
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
StarCraft: Brood War
• Azhi_Dahaki16
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 1953
• WagamamaTV419
League of Legends
• Nemesis3329
Other Games
• tFFMrPink 7
Upcoming Events
IPSL
3h 44m
StRyKeR vs OldBoy
Sziky vs Tarson
BSL 21
3h 44m
StRyKeR vs Artosis
OyAji vs KameZerg
OSC
6h 44m
OSC
16h 44m
Wardi Open
19h 44m
Monday Night Weeklies
1d
OSC
1d 6h
Wardi Open
1d 19h
Replay Cast
2 days
Wardi Open
2 days
[ Show More ]
Tenacious Turtle Tussle
3 days
The PondCast
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
LAN Event
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-11-21
Stellar Fest: Constellation Cup
Eternal Conflict S1

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
SOOP Univ League 2025
YSL S2
BSL Season 21
CSCL: Masked Kings S3
SLON Tour Season 2
META Madness #9
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2

Upcoming

BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
HSC XXVIII
RSL Offline Finals
WardiTV 2025
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026: Closed Qualifier
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.