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ghen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1356 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-17 00:50:25
September 17 2010 00:45 GMT
#18501
On September 17 2010 09:38 yazu wrote:
I have been reading comments about starting dorians blade as your first item on jungle Olaf, and was wondering what are the pros and cons of starting with that instead of an armor cloth to build into a HoG?


Pros: you jungle 15 seconds faster on your first run through and have an item better suited to ganking at level 4. It's also safer as you have more starting HP and more dmg/leech against a ganker.
Cons: you spend about 70 more gold and can't build HoG or razor fast

So start Dorans if you're going to gank and they have a jungler... and you're good at ganking of course to make up the money difference.
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-17 00:45:52
September 17 2010 00:45 GMT
#18502
Wra needs to stop playing Nid, I want my #1 nid status.
edit: yay he died, go back to kat n00b!
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
myopia
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2928 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-17 00:49:28
September 17 2010 00:46 GMT
#18503
On September 17 2010 09:32 oberon wrote:
WRA Nid vs. Hotshot Malz on HSGG's stream.


stream isn't working :[

actually the link to owned isn't working, but their main site one is...
it's my first day
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
September 17 2010 00:48 GMT
#18504
On September 17 2010 09:46 myopia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2010 09:32 oberon wrote:
WRA Nid vs. Hotshot Malz on HSGG's stream.


stream isn't working :[

skips constantly for me so i cut it off
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
shawster
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada2485 Posts
September 17 2010 00:49 GMT
#18505
On September 17 2010 09:46 myopia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2010 09:32 oberon wrote:
WRA Nid vs. Hotshot Malz on HSGG's stream.


stream isn't working :[


yeah same for me, although people seem to be watching fine
Khul Sadukar
Profile Joined August 2009
Australia1735 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-17 03:08:28
September 17 2010 00:51 GMT
#18506
On September 17 2010 01:43 StuffedTurkey wrote:
So a few days ago there was a discussion about Warwick's runes. I decided to look up the first named player i knew of back in the days when i was scrubby(inb4 'those days havent ended') who played WW in the top 100 consistently before his buff, Wazzabi. I have always thought of him as the leading WW player and what i saw when i looked up his runepage made me curious to know all of his thought processes that went into this particular runepage...

3 Armor pen marks (5.9 ArP)
6 Attack speed marks
9 Attack speed seals
9 Attack speed glyphs
Totaling 23% AS and 5.9 ArP
and his quints are really what took me by surprise...
he had 3 1g/10 quints


so....discuss!

p.s. i also thought he had retired except for a few games here and there a few months ago, however since season 1 started hes got 260 games as WW with 65% winrate (1644 elo in solo-queue when i looked)


He's rounding out as/apen with masteries to get the most dmg on jungle creeps which I sorta do. Nfi about the quints though. I got AS quints so I can get armour seals and whatever glyphs.

Hmm actually the gold might be for buying an early madreds for dragon, but it seems too 1 purpose only.

Edit: and no u can't cap AS with just runes, masteries w and br. U get close at lvl 18 though.

actually from memory a full rune page off AS (38%) will give u 1.0 something a/s at lvl 1. Br is 40% and W I think maxes to about 45%, putting you around 2.0 a/s after lvl 16/17. It takes another recurve bow to hit max AS if I recall correctly.

Having a base AS of 2.0 before popping W is hella fun for towers/inhibs lol. Br + wits end usually gets u that.
I don't want to be part everything. I want to be something. - Weapon X
myopia
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2928 Posts
September 17 2010 00:52 GMT
#18507
I wish I could see who's on his team

also would be cool if WRA or spudboy or more tlers streamed
it's my first day
Senx
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Sweden5901 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-17 00:52:40
September 17 2010 00:52 GMT
#18508
Where do you find the LoL livestreamers?

nvm front page D=
"trash micro but win - its marine" MC commentary during HSC 4
Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
September 17 2010 00:52 GMT
#18509
IF YOU WANT TO BE A CAPTAIN GIVE ME A PM PLOX
Watch me fail at Paradox: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=397564
StuffedTurkey
Profile Joined May 2010
United States859 Posts
September 17 2010 01:08 GMT
#18510
On September 17 2010 09:13 ghen wrote:
Spent $35 on riot points, WOOT WOOT. maybe now they can upgrade the servers with enough money for 1/4 of a stick of RAM.


not sure where you're getting your ram :p
but i found this after <30 seconds of looking
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145260
You can't milk those!
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
September 17 2010 01:10 GMT
#18511
So just played a game as Trist with 3 friends. They have a jungle Akali and the worst Garen I have ever seen defending top. My friends proceed to take top turret in 5 minutes flat. Then they announced 2 of them had to leave.
>.<

Our Amumu ragequit even though I maintain we could have beat the team 3v5. So we continued 2v5. This was the result.

[image loading]



In conclusion, extra gold should be given to the players left over after a leave.
P.S. My record is blanked cause I'm embarrassed.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
yazu
Profile Joined September 2010
United States255 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-17 01:20:42
September 17 2010 01:12 GMT
#18512
On September 17 2010 09:45 ghen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2010 09:38 yazu wrote:
I have been reading comments about starting dorians blade as your first item on jungle Olaf, and was wondering what are the pros and cons of starting with that instead of an armor cloth to build into a HoG?


Pros: you jungle 15 seconds faster on your first run through and have an item better suited to ganking at level 4. It's also safer as you have more starting HP and more dmg/leech against a ganker.
Cons: you spend about 70 more gold and can't build HoG or razor fast

So start Dorans if you're going to gank and they have a jungler... and you're good at ganking of course to make up the money difference.


Hmm that does seem beneficial. With dorians blade could you safely start at blue with the additional hp? Mostly I start at wraiths because I find Olaf is susceptible to an early gank because he ends up with very low amounts of hp after getting/ during a Blue Golem start.
g.cuisine
ghen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1356 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-17 01:29:20
September 17 2010 01:19 GMT
#18513
On September 17 2010 10:08 StuffedTurkey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2010 09:13 ghen wrote:
Spent $35 on riot points, WOOT WOOT. maybe now they can upgrade the servers with enough money for 1/4 of a stick of RAM.


not sure where you're getting your ram :p
but i found this after <30 seconds of looking
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145260


Game servers require ECC RAM and in larger amounts than 2GB per stick.
extreme example: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820134689

besides. I was joking about the realities of me purchasing during server troubles.
StuffedTurkey
Profile Joined May 2010
United States859 Posts
September 17 2010 01:30 GMT
#18514
On September 17 2010 10:19 ghen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2010 10:08 StuffedTurkey wrote:
On September 17 2010 09:13 ghen wrote:
Spent $35 on riot points, WOOT WOOT. maybe now they can upgrade the servers with enough money for 1/4 of a stick of RAM.


not sure where you're getting your ram :p
but i found this after <30 seconds of looking
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145260


Game servers require ECC RAM and in larger amounts than 2GB per stick.
extreme example: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820134689

yea i know..i just felt like contributing

lol
You can't milk those!
ghen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1356 Posts
September 17 2010 01:33 GMT
#18515
On September 17 2010 10:12 yazu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2010 09:45 ghen wrote:
On September 17 2010 09:38 yazu wrote:
I have been reading comments about starting dorians blade as your first item on jungle Olaf, and was wondering what are the pros and cons of starting with that instead of an armor cloth to build into a HoG?


Pros: you jungle 15 seconds faster on your first run through and have an item better suited to ganking at level 4. It's also safer as you have more starting HP and more dmg/leech against a ganker.
Cons: you spend about 70 more gold and can't build HoG or razor fast

So start Dorans if you're going to gank and they have a jungler... and you're good at ganking of course to make up the money difference.


Hmm that does seem beneficial. With dorians blade could you safely start at blue with the additional hp? Mostly I start at wraiths because I find Olaf is susceptible to an early gank because he ends up with very low amounts of hp after getting/ during a Blue Golem start.


Most "junglers" are 50% or lower starting blue.. it's a risk/reward thing.

The benefits to starting doran's blade lead me to want to start stone golems anyway and end with blue buff. This way you have blue up during and after your gank attempt and you're safer from a level 2 gank yourself. If you're going to start blue then you must feel safe enough to start cloth armor as well IMO.

Disclaimer:
I'm a ~1200 Elo player currently so not high skill
ProV1
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States980 Posts
September 17 2010 01:34 GMT
#18516
On September 17 2010 09:23 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +

Attack speed is bad on heroes that aren't Kog'maw because you'll very rarely be able to chain more than 1 or 2 attacks unless you stack attack speed, in which case you do no damage.

Life leech is bad because it doesn't actually increase your damage, but you need it somewhere (Wriggles', Bloodthirster, etc) so you don't die to incidental damage.

The passive is bad because you need to hit 6 times to fully stack it. a Long Sword would have given you 60 damage over those hits, where the Malady gives you only 55.

Malady is an 1890 gold item that increases your single hit damage by 0 and your 2-hit damage by 5. For 85 more, you can buy a Recurve Bow and a Pickaxe and be 2/3 the way to Madred's, doing 90 more damage over the 6 hits, or for 20g more you can buy an entire Manamune, which scales amazingly with many ranged heroes.


Theoretically I understand what you're saying, but I find it hard to find an early-game item that offers survivability in a solo lane plus at least a little attack speed.
Not to mention it lets me lane forever without having to go back.
I'll try rushing madred's first and see how that goes.


5 hp pots seem to do the job better than a full item that cost like 1.8K and deters you from getting your main dps item. Rather than getting the 1.8K malady, I think just a recurve bow would do. Like somebody else said, if you really need survivability, stacking doran's blades will do a better job than getting a malady. You could also sell your dorans' later. I can tell you want atk speed and lifesteal to quickly heal back all your life, but as a solo lane carry, first priority should be to farm up that huge atk item.
yazu
Profile Joined September 2010
United States255 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-17 01:53:13
September 17 2010 01:52 GMT
#18517
On September 17 2010 10:33 ghen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2010 10:12 yazu wrote:
On September 17 2010 09:45 ghen wrote:
On September 17 2010 09:38 yazu wrote:
I have been reading comments about starting dorians blade as your first item on jungle Olaf, and was wondering what are the pros and cons of starting with that instead of an armor cloth to build into a HoG?


Pros: you jungle 15 seconds faster on your first run through and have an item better suited to ganking at level 4. It's also safer as you have more starting HP and more dmg/leech against a ganker.
Cons: you spend about 70 more gold and can't build HoG or razor fast

So start Dorans if you're going to gank and they have a jungler... and you're good at ganking of course to make up the money difference.


Hmm that does seem beneficial. With dorians blade could you safely start at blue with the additional hp? Mostly I start at wraiths because I find Olaf is susceptible to an early gank because he ends up with very low amounts of hp after getting/ during a Blue Golem start.


Most "junglers" are 50% or lower starting blue.. it's a risk/reward thing.

The benefits to starting doran's blade lead me to want to start stone golems anyway and end with blue buff. This way you have blue up during and after your gank attempt and you're safer from a level 2 gank yourself. If you're going to start blue then you must feel safe enough to start cloth armor as well IMO.

Disclaimer:
I'm a ~1200 Elo player currently so not high skill


Heh no worries pal. I don't look at suggestions based off a person's elo as many suggestion can be very helpful, well most anyway. If you have a grasp at the game and know what to do then I don't think you should find it to much of a problem to make good suggestions, as with most cases I find people have a hard time executing what they know they should be doing but instead either just forget or aren't able to do so in the allotted time which is in a sense like starcraft. There are some that understand the game very well but the lack of execution prevents them from being really good, but that shouldn't mean their advice is any less significant =).
g.cuisine
Eloquent
Profile Joined July 2009
United States475 Posts
September 17 2010 01:56 GMT
#18518
+ Show Spoiler +
On September 17 2010 10:10 WaveofShadow wrote:
So just played a game as Trist with 3 friends. They have a jungle Akali and the worst Garen I have ever seen defending top. My friends proceed to take top turret in 5 minutes flat. Then they announced 2 of them had to leave.
>.<

Our Amumu ragequit even though I maintain we could have beat the team 3v5. So we continued 2v5. This was the result.

[image loading]



In conclusion, extra gold should be given to the players left over after a leave.
P.S. My record is blanked cause I'm embarrassed.



Double leavers.... All the way....
Oh wait! It's starting to be a TRIPLE leaver... ALL THE WAY...

*sniff* It's so beautiful.
Jaedong for Platnium Mouse.
hellohello
Profile Joined August 2010
39 Posts
September 17 2010 01:56 GMT
#18519
jesus wrawrawra is horrible,he fed hotshot and cost me valuable ELO~~~ and than he took mid and cost me another win,i was 5-0 ezreal and pew pewing every1,yet we still lose(DONT U DARE UNCLOAK MY SECRET IDENTITY)
rredtooth
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
5464 Posts
September 17 2010 02:00 GMT
#18520
On September 17 2010 10:56 hellohello wrote:
jesus wrawrawra is horrible,he fed hotshot and cost me valuable ELO~~~ and than he took mid and cost me another win,i was 5-0 ezreal and pew pewing every1,yet we still lose(DONT U DARE UNCLOAK MY SECRET IDENTITY)
ban inc.
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