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Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
September 15 2010 19:35 GMT
#18261
yes. bad decisions with Kass are exceptionally costly.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
September 15 2010 19:35 GMT
#18262
Dodge runes are the biggest waste ever, for me at least. They were my first runes but I don't use them on anyone.
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
Iplaythings
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Denmark9110 Posts
September 15 2010 19:37 GMT
#18263
On September 16 2010 04:35 HazMat wrote:
Dodge runes are the biggest waste ever, for me at least. They were my first runes but I don't use them on anyone.

I found them to save me ALOT. And generally I heard that they couldnt be a bad choice, just good all around
In the woods, there lurks..
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
September 15 2010 19:39 GMT
#18264
the only problem with jungle eve is usually get like 3 dodges in a row before people will actually play with me
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
September 15 2010 19:40 GMT
#18265
On September 16 2010 04:34 arb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2010 04:30 Southlight wrote:
On September 16 2010 04:28 arb wrote:
On September 16 2010 03:33 Mogwai wrote:
I play with Utah so my thoughts on Kassadin might be a bit biased in Kass's favor...

Essentially he's an extremely high reward caster, I would argue that he's hands down the highest reward caster in the game, which is to say that if you make the right decisions with him, he is the best. But he's extremely difficult to play and a single stupid riftwalk/game is the difference between an incredible Kassadin who makes you think the character is broken and some forgettable 7-9-12 shmuck who makes you wanna put the character in tier 3.



EDIT: Utah, link this in the first post. Incredibly helpful resource on rune data.

http://runeterra.com/forums/index.php?topic=1137

<3 Roku so much for that, hopefully we'll never have to field rune questions again.

makes me want to play him realllly badly, just knowing if you get good with him he's amazing

fml


Read my post first.

So only play him if you can make good decisions almost 99% of the time?


Well, a lot of people like him and think he's godly because of his crazy ability to turn "on" at any time.

But he's also got the ability to turn "off" at any time and snowball the wrong way.

Oddly enough because of that I feel Pantheon is more consistent, as no matter what you're pretty obnoxious just by having a global tele and are hard to kill (and have a two-second stun), especially if you go Revive Pantheon, because you can have a shit record and still be really annoying. Pantheon may have less killing power as the game goes on (whereas Kassadin tends to be reliable for a long time) but it's not like Kassadin doesn't fall off either, he's still an AP hero, and he's liable to the same pitfalls as carry Annie.

It's why I'm making a point to warn that he's not some god-mode character, although he'll have games where he'll seem like the most OP thing. When it comes down to it I feel like he serves best as a connection from mid-game to late-game. Some of the nastiest team combos I've played with involved Pantheon (early game rockage) transitioning to Kassadin (mid-game lulz) into some powered late-game physical ranged DPS that gets protected by perma snare.
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myopia
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2928 Posts
September 15 2010 19:43 GMT
#18266
Dodge is mediocre, especially for its IP cost (how does riot decide on IP costs anyways? What they charge for energy runes is insane considering how bad they are + only useable on three champs, total.)

mp5plvl / mres plvl / flat armor yellows are all better choices.

Nimbleness is nice and all but it procs often enough just with the dodge mastery.
it's my first day
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-15 19:50:12
September 15 2010 19:49 GMT
#18267
Pantheon and Kass are so cute together. Remember back when HSS actually did damage and we could just both jump on like, 4 people, slow them by 50% and butcher them with a full HSS? *sigh* those were the days...

EDIT: and no, nimbleness does not proc often enough with just the 2% from masteries. I wouldn't dream of running nimbleness without a page involving dodge seals.
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Pratoss
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada201 Posts
September 15 2010 19:57 GMT
#18268
On September 16 2010 04:39 gtrsrs wrote:
the only problem with jungle eve is usually get like 3 dodges in a row before people will actually play with me

what jungling route do you take on eve?
myopia
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2928 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-15 19:59:10
September 15 2010 19:58 GMT
#18269
Eh some champs that put 21 into defensive don't want dodge seals though (Shen is a nightmare to spec :| )
it's my first day
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
September 15 2010 20:00 GMT
#18270
On September 16 2010 04:49 Mogwai wrote:
Pantheon and Kass are so cute together. Remember back when HSS actually did damage and we could just both jump on like, 4 people, slow them by 50% and butcher them with a full HSS? *sigh* those were the days...

EDIT: and no, nimbleness does not proc often enough with just the 2% from masteries. I wouldn't dream of running nimbleness without a page involving dodge seals.


Yeah it was like when I rose through ranked together with EzPz, and TF would explode from our double nuke in half a second. And it's not like he could do squat about it cuz both Annie (Flash) and I teleport, lol.
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
September 15 2010 20:11 GMT
#18271
On September 16 2010 04:57 Pratoss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2010 04:39 gtrsrs wrote:
the only problem with jungle eve is usually get like 3 dodges in a row before people will actually play with me

what jungling route do you take on eve?


blue golem, wolves, go mid (leve 2) to fake a gank so mid blows their cleanse/flash, wraiths, come back to mid (level 3) get a real gank, small golems, red, gank gank gank gank gank nothing set after that
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-15 20:23:10
September 15 2010 20:22 GMT
#18272
WHY DOES NOBODY BELIEVE ME

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edit: fuck you tapioca for ruining my wall of green
Watch me fail at Paradox: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=397564
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
September 15 2010 20:24 GMT
#18273
LOLOLOL

that is all.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
Senx
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Sweden5901 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-15 20:30:51
September 15 2010 20:26 GMT
#18274
Add me to EU list please, Senx is the name. I play Tristana.

Btw any nice eu TL people wanna grp up? Im getting sick of public games where two people leave after 2 minutes like retards for no real reason..

LiquidParty is completely empty?? Where do I find people
"trash micro but win - its marine" MC commentary during HSC 4
rredtooth
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
5464 Posts
September 15 2010 20:27 GMT
#18275
On September 16 2010 04:28 arb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2010 03:33 Mogwai wrote:
I play with Utah so my thoughts on Kassadin might be a bit biased in Kass's favor...

Essentially he's an extremely high reward caster, I would argue that he's hands down the highest reward caster in the game, which is to say that if you make the right decisions with him, he is the best. But he's extremely difficult to play and a single stupid riftwalk/game is the difference between an incredible Kassadin who makes you think the character is broken and some forgettable 7-9-12 shmuck who makes you wanna put the character in tier 3.



EDIT: Utah, link this in the first post. Incredibly helpful resource on rune data.

http://runeterra.com/forums/index.php?topic=1137

<3 Roku so much for that, hopefully we'll never have to field rune questions again.
makes me want to play him realllly badly, just knowing if you get good with him he's amazing
but what hero is this not true with? don't expect ezmode to success though. even dogkaiser and grandjudge get shut down against good teams with smart players. and i'm sure they worked real hard to get good at kass. the top 5 at any hero look godly (look at my #1 chogath).
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HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-15 20:42:19
September 15 2010 20:32 GMT
#18276
Just lost a game with Elementz vs an Eve, doomtrobo, halfrican and a 1200 gragas. We were destroying them early game but our Twitch and Kass were being such pussies. Elementz is a cool guy though.

Definitely the worst player on CLG though. Told us to 5 man push bot t3 turret while mord/ww/taric were killing our inhibitor. Took him a while to realize taric/mord/ww kill t2/t1/inhib faster than us 5 can kill t3,t2,t1 inhib.

Wish I had caller instead of those pussies so me, elementz and sir brave could 3v5.
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
Corr
Profile Joined January 2009
Denmark796 Posts
September 15 2010 20:34 GMT
#18277
On September 16 2010 02:16 spinesheath wrote:
Ok here's what I do as Ashe. It will probably earn you quite a few negative comments, even here on TL I doubt everyone agrees with me. But it works really well.

11/0/19 masteries, max APen, CDR, MSpd, Meditation

APen quints (0-2 MSpd quints if you want)
APen marks
MP5/L seals
flat CDR glyphs though CDR/L or a mix of those is probably fine as well.

Cleanse/Ghost, maybe Cleanse/Flash. I wouldn't go without Cleanse unless you know before the game that CC won't be a problem.

Skill order:
WQWEWR, R > W > Q > E

Start Doran's Shield or Regrowth Pendant (I recommend Regrowth for most cases) +1 HP pot. Under special circumstances you can also start with Boots +3, Longsword +1 etc. Generally you want to make sure that you can stay in lane. Take mid if possible, 1v1 top is also ok. Avoid 1v2 and 2v2 unless your laning partner is babysitting you and lets you farm.

Boots1 > Brutalizer > Ghostblade > Boots of Swiftness > Brutalizer > Red Elixier > start owning

Keep your Red Elixier up, and work towards Banshee's Veil / Atma's Impaler / Infinity Edge, order is situational. Against lots of assassins you might want to get a Guardian Angel instead of Atmas. Usually Banshees Veil is good to get first though. After a while you should start pumping Green Elixiers as well, especially once you finish your IE. Though many games are over way before you get that far.

No Merc Treads because 65% CC is usually still enough to kill you. Either you can avoid CC/cleanse out of it, or you're dead.

During battles, stay safe and spam Volley. If an enemy is out of position and low enough, activate your Ghostblade and snipe him. Ult usage requires practice and gamesense. With this build you don't have to be too conservative with it though. Make sure you don't waste it on a tank during a teamfight though.
If battles last very long (enemy team is tank heavy), you will run out of mana. To prevent that, you can turn your Regrowth Pendant into a Philosopher's Stone. People will call you a newb for it, but I wouldn't care. If and when to get a Philo is very situational. You definitely don't want to cut back on Volley usage because this is the whole point of the build. And with its up to 7.0 * AD ratio it is just too awesome to be on cooldown.

Don't be greedy with Ashe. Focus on farming and staying safe (use Hawkshot!). You usually can't win a 1v1. Rather let an enemy escape that could have died than die yourself when you could have escaped.
Don't expect to win your lane during the laning phase without good ganks. Most solo laning champs counter Ashe pretty hard.

Always toggle Q off unless you have a reason to keep it on.


Dunno if this works properly, but here you should be able to look up setup:
http://leaguecraft.com/builder/Ashe/fc57ae4d428102eb8754307b7a6143a1


Thanks, ill try this out. What do you suggest if I play without Cleanse though? Or should I ditch Ghost instead?
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
September 15 2010 20:39 GMT
#18278
Ghost/Flash is very strong, stronger than ghost/cleanse imo.
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
September 15 2010 20:41 GMT
#18279
I was running Ghost Flash on Corki last night... I always run Ghost Cleanse on ranged carries, but I was surprised by how little I missed Cleanse.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
Pakje
Profile Joined March 2009
Belgium288 Posts
September 15 2010 20:41 GMT
#18280
On September 16 2010 05:26 Senx wrote:
Add me to EU list please, Senx is the name. I play Tristana.

Btw any nice eu TL people wanna grp up? Im getting sick of public games where two people leave after 2 minutes like retards for no real reason..

LiquidParty is completely empty?? Where do I find people


yes LiquidParty is most of the time empty. Most people are on liquidparty
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