EPTNoobie gets a 0.5 ratio every game I queue with him. Sooo heavy. And he tells me to die cause I wanted to eat dinner instead of queueing again!
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Yiruru
Canada690 Posts
Noobie gets a 0.5 ratio every game I queue with him. Sooo heavy. And he tells me to die cause I wanted to eat dinner instead of queueing again! | ||
NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
ruru <3 I am so bad now. geegee. | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
Wolfy is just riding the MF OP train. That SS was about an hour ago? | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
So what are people's opinions on Manamune? Poll: Manamune? It's pretty good, but I dunno why everyone is flippin' shit over it. (13) PC Load Letter... What the Mundo does THAT mean? (9) Not nerfworthy but forum bitching will get it nerfed. (4) OMG OP, gonna get rightfully nerfed! (3) Meh, why would you even buy this item? (0) 29 total votes Your vote: Manamune? (Vote): OMG OP, gonna get rightfully nerfed! | ||
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Yiruru
Canada690 Posts
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
Sry, it's true. | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
On September 10 2010 21:05 Yiruru wrote: can u add a "I cut myself everytime I see someone buy this item" option I would if I could but I dunno how to edit a poll... | ||
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Iplaythings
Denmark9110 Posts
On September 10 2010 21:05 Yiruru wrote: can u add a "I cut myself everytime I see someone buy this item" option Why is it bad? I could imagine me buying it on a mana intensive melee hero. . . . Urgot? Even though I had most success at him building 100% tank | ||
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kdgns
United States2427 Posts
Builds from Tears of goddess, which also builds into archangel's staff, therefore, the champion to use this must not benefit from turning the tear into the staff, eg, the champion should value AD over AP. Manamune isn't effective until late game, so the champion should be effective late game. Manamune gives a passive mana boost, so the champion should need a large manapool. So, what we are looking for on a champion that uses manamune is an AD late game dps that requires a large manapool. Heres who I think may benefit from this Sivir: She autoattacks quite often to build up manamune, AD is a great stat for her due to her W, she also requires a large mana pool to spam Q in fights, may be an interesting option for mana compared to chalice. Nidalee, going nidalee is one of the few champions that can constantly spam, so she gets the 1000 mana that much faster, cat form benefits from AD, and she can spam heal and spear to use the mana pool. DPS kassadin: on paper kassadin should be a decent melee dps, he has a blink, a slow a silence to get up in your face and whack you to death. This is considered an inferior build because AP kass does so much damage, but with a manamune, could be a fun build to try out (do so at your own risk) Alistar: spamable E lets you build this up quite fast, but recently reds changed up how sheen works, lowering his dps combo by about 10-20% damage, but they are looking into it and may attempt to bring back the combo. We shall see how dps alistar fairs. Udyr is one of the few champions that can charge up tear fast, but I feel he should be played as a tank rather as a dps, still, manamune should be viable on a dps udyr. I probably missed some good champions for this, ad kogmaw? singed? ad Janna? etc | ||
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
10417 Posts
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
Maybe a completely different build could make good use of it, but I don't see one yet. So I'm probably not even gonna bother with Manamune on Ashe. Her base mana pool and item choices don't fit imo. | ||
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Yiruru
Canada690 Posts
2. Every decent Nid is going AP, and Manamune is no reason to change 3. As you said, AP>DPS for now 4. Even if you do go DPS Alistar, he needs ASPD, not Damage. 5. Possible on Udyr, but I feel the tank variant is stronger at the moment anyways. AD Janna is the only hero I can think of off the top of my head. Kayle has better options, since AP>AD usually, and 3 slots are taken for Guinsoo/Nashor/Boots. If you don't get Mp5 and don't spec Utility, Manamune -might- be good. That being said, you would probably be a punching bag, and wouldn't have summoner spells up a lot. | ||
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BlackPaladin
United States9316 Posts
On September 10 2010 21:36 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote: Like... who is it good on? Only person I can think of is Kayle tbh. The thing is, Kayle needs rageblade asap, and that would push getting manamune back. And lategame as Kayle I've never really had mana problems. Her only mana problems happen early to mid game, but lategame I never do even with spamming q and w and having e on constantly. With blue buff lategame I think it's impossible to run out of mana with kayle...although I do use mana regen seals. Maybe if you don't run any manaregen runes you might be able to use it effectively, but I feel that a kayle without rageblade and nashors is a lot weaker than other combos. And some games you only farm enough for boots + those 2 items before the game is over. Granted though, manamune is a great item for kayle as it gives her AD and AP + extra mana, but still items like hextech gunblade I feel would be even better and take priority especially since the buff to it for a DPS kayle. | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
the thing that makes manamune good is just simple cost efficiency in terms of damage... It's like, what? 60 gold more than a BF Sword? So you need like, 1600 mana to catch up to BF Sword in terms of efficiency, 1350 of which can come from the item? And that's just looking at damage efficiency which is just ignoring the benefits of having 1350 more mana. I'm not gonna go on a rant about how it's a wonderful OMG musthave because I think it's a pretty niche item, but the simple fact of the matter is that short of a stacked SotO it's the most efficient pure-damage item under 2000 gold (on mana users that is, derrrr). I do build it on jungle pantheon, simply because between lantern and brutalizer, I want to spend another 1500-2000 on offense before I get to defensive items, and in that niche, manamune is optimal (not to mention that when jungling, you can solve early mana with golem which lets you skimp on mana runes/masteries because manamune will solve all your mid-late game mana issues). | ||
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arb
Noobville17921 Posts
On September 10 2010 22:14 Mogwai wrote: err... what? the two most obvious choices for manamune were left off that list... Ezreal and Urgot. Kog and Corki also come to mind (though I think it's dumb on Kog because it sets back more important crap). the thing that makes manamune good is just simple cost efficiency in terms of damage... It's like, what? 60 gold more than a BF Sword? So you need like, 1600 mana to catch up to BF Sword in terms of efficiency, 1350 of which can come from the item? And that's just looking at damage efficiency which is just ignoring the benefits of having 1350 more mana. I'm not gonna go on a rant about how it's a wonderful OMG musthave because I think it's a pretty niche item, but the simple fact of the matter is that short of a stacked SotO it's the most efficient pure-damage item under 2000 gold (on mana users that is, derrrr). I do build it on jungle pantheon, simply because between lantern and brutalizer, I want to spend another 1500-2000 on offense before I get to defensive items, and in that niche, manamune is optimal (not to mention that when jungling, you can solve early mana with golem which lets you skimp on mana runes/masteries because manamune will solve all your mid-late game mana issues). might be decent on kogmaw after youve got your bloodrazor, but before its kinda iffy..ive never played ezreal so i have no idea, i know on urgot late late game ive never ran out of mana with mp5/l runes but you can get reallllly low cause of Q having a 1 sec cd it eats mana like no tomorrow. not really sure though..i think it'd be good on certain heroes but since its a new item we'll have to wait to see who | ||
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azndsh
United States4447 Posts
Also, I imagine it sucks on ezreal because (a) it delays your mid-game damage by too long, and (b) bf sword builds into better items | ||
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Southlight
United States11767 Posts
On September 10 2010 20:05 ldrs wrote: corporate mundo sounds got leaked or something (probably datamined from game files?), it's too bad you have to pay $15 for it. hope this doesn't get removed or wasn't already posted. Nah what's happening I think is that the skin bug is back. When I firstpicked Urfwick for Stuffed and swapped for Kassadin I was getting Greenssadin despite not owning him. Probably the same dealio with Mundo. | ||
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
10417 Posts
On September 10 2010 21:57 BlackPaladin wrote: The thing is, Kayle needs rageblade asap, and that would push getting manamune back. And lategame as Kayle I've never really had mana problems. Her only mana problems happen early to mid game, but lategame I never do even with spamming q and w and having e on constantly. With blue buff lategame I think it's impossible to run out of mana with kayle...although I do use mana regen seals. Maybe if you don't run any manaregen runes you might be able to use it effectively, but I feel that a kayle without rageblade and nashors is a lot weaker than other combos. And some games you only farm enough for boots + those 2 items before the game is over. Granted though, manamune is a great item for kayle as it gives her AD and AP + extra mana, but still items like hextech gunblade I feel would be even better and take priority especially since the buff to it for a DPS kayle. Actually i just tested it and it is pretty frickin amazing and super easy to farm. I dunno cuz I queue against noobs in unranked but I thought it was really, really strong. I went meki -> manamune + boots/wards on first trip then went rageblade and built towards nashors. I felt a lot stronger than if I had gone straight rageblade for some reason and my mana was always, always up. Sometimes when I play kayle i find myself running out of mana with even mp5/lv seals and glyphs + nashors tooth. Manamune changed all that. And it syncs with Strength of Spirit. And it gives her AP. I dunno, it seems pretty solid when an item gives AP/damage/mana/mana regen/hp regen. | ||
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
10417 Posts
[edit] I might retract that, they buffed it pretty hard: On Kayle it's +71 Attack Damage, +88 Ability Power, +15% Lifesteal, +13% Spell vamp, and its been pretty decent. That's post buff. It costs what, 3.7k? Is that worth it? | ||
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