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On September 10 2010 06:00 Shizuru~ wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2010 00:40 Southlight wrote:
I think there're too many click and point heroes in LoL (Soraka, Taric, Garen, etc.) and not enough key skillshots. For example two of the strongest heroes in DotA when I still played were Lina and NA, both of whom were reliant on what amounted to a skillshot disable (Lina's stun obviously, but NA's stun had an extra AoE effect if you SS'd it and also worked as an escape/dodge). This results in bad players rocking the house with stupid heroes, dragging down the overall skill level of the game.
I also find the level of play in LoL pretty low overall. Part of it is the lack of an established competitive scene, but... bad comparison... Lina's area stun covers a wide area, so really the amount of skill it took to land a hit is really not that high, and Nerubian assasins stun can be clicked on heroes and it goes auto aim mode, and hits multiple units easily if u position urself correctly, not really a skill shot skills... now butcher on the other hand, that shit does require a HIGH amount of skill and experience and also luck to master. and mirana's arrow is quite tough to get right as well especially with the terrain clipping animations some times screwing up the path of the arrow, other than that, most skill in DoTA is actually click and point like u said in LoL... DoTA skillshot skill is more difficult because most skills hits creeps, some times even ur own creeps and really the amount of skillshot skills in DoTA isn't really alot. i do agree that LoL is alot more "softcore" or "easy" that DoTA, for example last hitting is a CRUCIAL skill to have in DoTA not jsut for farming but also for deny-ing, and u can imagine the how tough it can be when 4 guys in lane is fighting for every last hit possible. while in lol, it really didn't make as big of an impact is in DoTA, one more contributing factors is how u lose gold when u die in DoTA, if u die on a consistent basis don ever expect to get any strong items out. for me, LoL is less stressful to play than DoTA since the amount of effort and skill required is much less, and i enjoyed team fights and overall flow of the game more in LoL. in DoTA mana management is important especially at the early phases of the game, don expect to spam more than 2-3 cycles of skills and expect to be able to do anything else, most of the time with heroes liek Lina, with early game items u can almost always only afford to do a single cycle or burst of spells then u run dry... which of course would rarely happen in LoL even in early game phase. and generally the cool down of skill in DoTA is longer. which makes the games feels dull for me. and of course u get less leaver, yes there is still leaver in LoL but trust me, its ALOT less than in DoTA games, due to the micro transaction thingy and the reconect to game features...
It's fun to minimize the importance of last hitting because denies aren't in LoL, but it's every bit important. In fact, last hitting in just a farming sense is probably MORE important in LoL because of the lack of gold loss; the only way to gain an advantage upon an opponent is to just outfarm them with cs and kills(and as a team, dragon and jungle buffs). If you are slacking on your last hitting in LoL you can't make up for it with a sick level 6 gank, you will still actually be down in the money game, with a very slight xp advantage that can many times be made up with the return to lane advantage(discussed a handful of pages ago: returning to lane with new items, full hp/mana, against someone who just exerted themselves for a kill).
Also, skillshots in LoL hit creeps too, if you're going to debate why HoN may require more skill at least get the right debate points, you guys(and every person that starts this) always bring up the same ones because they seem obvious, but when you actually think in depth to the gameplay they really could be debated either way(or in this case, there's no debate, the only skillshots that ignore creeps in LoL are apparently not considered to be skillshots by you because they are actually placement aoes or line based aoes, and I could name plenty of counterparts to them from DotA).
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I love people who start at blue. I ghost and run past anyone defending you, ignite slam autoattack, if you have 200 or less hp you die. You don't get blue and I screw up your jungling even if I die. I can't count how many olaf/xin/ww/fiddle I've killed or screwed up at blue.
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On September 10 2010 06:36 Vlanitak wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2010 04:49 spinesheath wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On September 10 2010 04:16 Vlanitak wrote:![[image loading]](http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc155/vlanitak/mostepicvladgameevar.png) most epic game ever Poppy with 1 minion kill per minute? Does it make any sense to get 5 Rylais? There's stuff like Void Staff... Chalice on Panth. Also lol @ their Morgana, she didn't get to join the fun it seems. EDIT: Duh forgot that he is manaless. Sucks, huh? Still, a fully charged RoA gives more HP and the same AP Will of the ancients also sounds good. It does? well still it seems a safer choice to go Rylais scepters (889ap by the end of the game with an elixir). Each Rylais gives 80ap+500hp=80ap+(500/25)+500hp+(80*2)=100ap+660hp 5 = (100ap*5)+(660hp*5)= 500ap+3300hp 500ap+Zhoneya's ring=(500ap+120ap)*1.25=775ap without masteries and runes. also hp bonus ends at: 3540hp RoA takes 15 min to fully "charge" and then it provides: 650hp+80ap=650hp+160hp+80ap+25ap=810hp+105ap 5x RoA= (810*5)hp+(105*5)ap=4050hp+525ap add zhoneya's: (525+120)*1,25= 806.25 before masteries and runes. So it's 30ap better. 4290hp bonus in total and that is really a huge difference :O Yup you are right, but for the RoA to deliver more power it has to charge. and will I have time to charge 5 of them? really depends on how good I can farm and kill I guess. I should probably try 5x RoA or 4xRoA+1RCS maybe that would be awesome? testing it tomorrow I guess. The reason for it being the most epic game ever (atleast to me) was that it was never really decided until I got a legendary streak.And that was about the 1h and 5 min mark, and even then we had a hard time to get their inhib and nexus down because of how well the other team teamplayed and killed some of us. It was just so much fun and I have never laughed so much while we played a game (Anril ulti into their main to kill the nexus, but dies to super minions of the other team because the inhibs were up  ) @however asked for the length of the team fights: usually they lasted like 4-5 sec today this game on sunday: ESL!
Err, well, you shouldn't assume to get to 5 RoAs or Rylais in an average game anyways. But I think after the first Rylais (the slow doesn't stack afaik) and Zhonyas, you might consider a RoA. Mejais/Leviathan for the same stats also is good on Vlad because he normally doesn't die too much, but... your game was different I guess. You might even consider a Lichbane as your 5th or 6th item, since then you will be able to Transfuse and autoattack for 600 (physical!) or so every 3 seconds. It also gives you some movespeed which would be handy seeing how you sold your boots. For the raw spell damage a Void staff is always a good lategame choice - if your enemies have decent MR.
Getting more than 1 RoA on Vlad sounds like a bad idea since you usually won't get the charges up on later ones. If you get Rylais and Zhonyas first, I wonder if you can even charge the first one.
Just saying that there are a lot of options and I personally doubt that stacking 5 Rylais is a good idea.
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Where's the haunting guise in all of this.
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On September 10 2010 07:20 Juicyfruit wrote:
Where's the haunting guise in all of this.
New spirit visage could also be nice on Vlad too, something like doran's(or ruby if you're feeling saucy?), boots 1, guise, sorc boots, mejais, spirit visage? I dunno I just thought that out in a few seconds, but 200 HP + better transfusions + MR + cdr is a solid item choice IMO.
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Is it just me or are there only 3 people in liquidparty? Where did everyone go?
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On September 10 2010 07:35 deth2munkies wrote:
Is it just me or are there only 3 people in liquidparty? Where did everyone go?
nah its not just you
also looks like they took the LoL win xp thing down at alienware
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Anyone have some advice for playing Amumu? Trying him since he's free this week, but the guide in the OP is marked out of date.
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On September 10 2010 07:16 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
I love people who start at blue. I ghost and run past anyone defending you, ignite slam autoattack, if you have 200 or less hp you die. You don't get blue and I screw up your jungling even if I die. I can't count how many olaf/xin/ww/fiddle I've killed or screwed up at blue.
ive had a ton of people do this, and random twitches
the great thing about play warwick- you're always full health
so sadly enough the people who try to gank me, i just turn around and beat on their ass with blue buff
trololol
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i have to admit i have been killed by garen with his whirlblade + exhaust though
otherwise no one else has been successful in those ghost ganks
Tbh there shouldnt be anyone guarding the jungler at that moment, although if im laning or mid i usually stick around until all the potential threats show up in their lanes
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1 kill short of a penta.. my tristana clone in that game was doing near 300 damage and she killed 2 of them, i gimped the other two with her + siphon
their amumu runs away and i kill him too but sadly its a few seconds too late for a penta 
Best part of the game being, in mid while i was only 9-0, their entire team focuses me and died before i did..
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I keep getting an error when I try to launch LoL. It says like time is undefined. Is there a way to fix this?
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mordekaiser is really really epic.
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On September 10 2010 08:38 Misder wrote:
I keep getting an error when I try to launch LoL. It says like time is undefined. Is there a way to fix this?
Google the problem or search the LoL forums.
Personally I'd suggest just reinstalling. Though this does explain why the chat yesterday was just like 2 pages of:
"Misder has joined the channel"
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I was wondering, how does our old friend the Card Master fit into the metagame nowadays, and what would be a good item/rune/mastery build for him?
I was thinking something like starting with Doran's shield + pot, then grabbing T2 boots, SotD or Last whisper, Inf. Edge. Although a brutaliser would be a very nice early damage boost, and it can be turned into a Youmuu's later on. And since he is paper thin, something with armor/resist/hp, perhaps? Maybe a Phage/Guardian Angel/ Banshee's veil?
As runes go, Armor pen marks without a doubt, and mana regen/dodge seals, CDR/ Mana regen glyphs/mana resist glyphs, or something.
Thanks in advance for any thoughts and suggestions you might have, I know very little about playing TF, but I would like to learn playing him.
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Black cleaver + starks for TF, I think.
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On September 10 2010 09:22 Haemonculus wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2010 08:38 Misder wrote:
I keep getting an error when I try to launch LoL. It says like time is undefined. Is there a way to fix this? Google the problem or search the LoL forums. Personally I'd suggest just reinstalling. Though this does explain why the chat yesterday was just like 2 pages of: "Misder has joined the channel"
http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=240991
Apparently, I can't do anything about it...
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An a seperate note, has anyone played corki after the buff? I'm curious to see whether or not I play corki as a main ranged carry. I don't really want to buy any expensive range carries.
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On September 10 2010 10:36 Misder wrote:
An a seperate note, has anyone played corki after the buff? I'm curious to see whether or not I play corki as a main ranged carry. I don't really want to buy any expensive range carries.
He was already good before the buff, I don't understand why it's so unpopular.
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so i just saw rinoa sporting corporate mundo... that is the #1 skin i've ever seen LOL. he throws his briefcase at you and the cellphone is epic.
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On September 10 2010 11:24 redtooth wrote:
so i just saw rinoa sporting corporate mundo... that is the #1 skin i've ever seen LOL. he throws his briefcase at you and the cellphone is epic.
ive been trying to buy this skin, but its not showing up in the store for me...any reason why its not there? was it a promotion skin?
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