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Haemonculus
United States6980 Posts
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Cirn9
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ghen
United States1356 Posts
On August 25 2010 21:13 dcemuser wrote: The thing that stands out there is FOUR Zyona's?! Wtf. Get a freaking Void Staff or something USEFUL after the first one. Also loltrist with double Black Cleavers. I don't see any mres on the opposite team. Not even merc treads. What would void staff do that's worth losing the 40? AP | ||
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ghen
United States1356 Posts
On August 25 2010 21:21 Haemonculus wrote: What's everyone's consensus of the new fatty champ? Is he worth buying? Insanely hard to kill early/mid game due to shield. Great at laning due to almost spammable skill shot and ranged attack. Late game holds his own in viability. Shouldn't initiate if there's a better one on the team (amumu/morgana comes to mind). His ult is better used when the carries get there. If used to initiate the only people in range will be tanks. Haven't played as him yet, so I can't give any more specifics. | ||
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cascades
Singapore6122 Posts
On August 25 2010 21:24 ghen wrote: I don't see any mres on the opposite team. Not even merc treads. What would void staff do that's worth losing the 40? AP Hahaha nice catch. Blind build order copier detected. | ||
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oberon
United States1320 Posts
I was using you as a representative for your team, which in the teamfight at top got spanked by the Yi bait + hotshot ult in turret range. | ||
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oberon
United States1320 Posts
On August 25 2010 21:28 cascades wrote: Hahaha nice catch. Blind build order copier detected. Abyssal might be good, as everyone has a base MR that you want to be penetrating. Multiple zhonya's is still always bad. Replace the others with archangel's, abyssal, RoA, or Rylai's and you get slightly less AP (except with archangel's) but significant other benefits. | ||
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oberon
United States1320 Posts
On August 25 2010 21:21 Haemonculus wrote: What's everyone's consensus of the new fatty champ? Is he worth buying? From watching HSGG's stream: 1) His low-cooldown skillshot costs too much mana and doesn't hit hard enough. 2) His shield is good. 3) His AoE is surprisingly slow to hit, making aiming tricky (you have to lead) -- this is not Vlad's ult. It also doesn't hit that hard. 4) His ult is low range, and the stun before it works is really bad, because you can be stunned/silenced/etc. out of it in that time. 5) His base stats seem to be good, maybe even great. Good HP growth, decent attack damage growth, acceptable auto-attack range. Obviously, this will be clearer once his page is up on the website and exact stats are available. Conclusion: pubstomp champ, but looks mediocre in high level play. | ||
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Tooplark
United States3977 Posts
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
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oberon
United States1320 Posts
On August 25 2010 22:06 spinesheath wrote: If I am not misinformed, Urgot's ult goes from 700 range at lvl 1 to 850 range at lvl 3. Imo that's decent. Longer than any autoattack and many spells. You might not be able to ult an Ez who just barely stays in range of your tanks, but that Ez isn't helping the other team much either then. Add Flash and you have awesome range. Except during the channel time Kass can walk up and silence you, as can piles of other characters. The range sounds good, but having watched HotShot try to use it, I was unimpressed. Also note that in Phreak's video, he uses it to kill someone 1v1 (i.e. someone who doesn't know urgot didn't realize he'd lose a 1v1 -- says nothing about the champ's viability) or uses it "to stun their carry for my team" blah blah (i.e. he wanted to kill-steal but failed, so he claimed the stun was important, which is questionable). Perhaps at some point I'll see someone demonstrate its use in dramatic fashion -- Urgot is still very young -- but so far it looks gimmicky. | ||
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Khul Sadukar
Australia1735 Posts
Apparently im the Ezreal in the vid. Every team fight where im on the fringe poking waiting to engage (someone to initiate) I get switched and suddenly die. Everytime I ult someone im fucking switched to god knows where (disorientating to say the least, fing hate displacement spells in any game) and die. Then catch him by himself, want some revenge. He just wont die  I dunno what to do anymore. | ||
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
On August 25 2010 22:10 oberon wrote: Except during the channel time Kass can walk up and silence you, as can piles of other characters. The range sounds good, but having watched HotShot try to use it, I was unimpressed. Also note that in Phreak's video, he uses it to kill someone 1v1 (i.e. someone who doesn't know urgot didn't realize he'd lose a 1v1 -- says nothing about the champ's viability) or uses it "to stun their carry for my team" blah blah (i.e. he wanted to kill-steal but failed, so he claimed the stun was important, which is questionable). Perhaps at some point I'll see someone demonstrate its use in dramatic fashion -- Urgot is still very young -- but so far it looks gimmicky. I was just commenting on the claim that his ult has "low range". Surely Kassadin is one of the best counters to his ult because of the high movespeed and long range silence, but then Kass has to save his silence for you and you have to wait for Kass to be out of position or to blow his silence on someone else before you use your ult. Dunno if his ult is good, bad, or just right. But I don't think the range is too low. On August 25 2010 22:41 Khul Sadukar wrote: Wow this fucking Urgot!!! Apparently im the Ezreal in the vid. Every team fight where im on the fringe poking waiting to engage (someone to initiate) I get switched and suddenly die. Everytime I ult someone im fucking switched to god knows where (disorientating to say the least, fing hate displacement spells in any game) and die. Then catch him by himself, want some revenge. He just wont die I dunno what to do anymore. I just had a game where Urgot ulted me 3 times. I was Cho. I never died to it (only died once that game anyways, and that was to a tower, 30 sec before they surrendered, because my allies stopped hitting it while I was tanking). Our Urgot wasn't exactly great either. | ||
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Iplaythings
Denmark9110 Posts
On August 25 2010 22:41 Khul Sadukar wrote: Wow this fucking Urgot!!! Apparently im the Ezreal in the vid. Every team fight where im on the fringe poking waiting to engage (someone to initiate) I get switched and suddenly die. Everytime I ult someone im fucking switched to god knows where (disorientating to say the least, fing hate displacement spells in any game) and die. Then catch him by himself, want some revenge. He just wont die I dunno what to do anymore. all the urgots i met was superfailure lol looking into the video he did super high damage and i am just ignoring him when i jungle gank (as yi). I took down a morde with him poking him with zil's help (he had them low). Morde didnt survive (or kite fuck my rating lol) for a long time but seriously he shouldve done more damage. Or maybe he just couldnt aim for the sake of his life lol. | ||
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
Like many say, his ult is a bit gimmiky, but ive actually found its best use is to keep assholes like udyr, garen, etc (dicks who charge towards your squishys) away from your precious ranged dps. Basically shield up, charge towards the middle, poking away at ppl and grenading them, and if you see that spinning arseface go anywhere near your ez or ashe, ult them and send them away. also, ive tried ap, and its lackluster to say the least. It doesnt help towards his early-midgame power much at all, and its a bit too hard to farm up good stuff in a reasonable amount of time. ive tried rushing roa and rylais first and getting another ap item, then hitting lichbane and trying to wreck shit up with that, and while the dmg is decent, you can get a similar output of dmg just by getting a few dmg items (mallet + any other ad item) and have more tankiness than the other team can really deal with. edit: @ spine, if that urgot was ulting u (cho) to try to get you to his team and have them kill you, he is an idiot. Dunno how many times i have ult-initiated the wrong person (or at the wrong time) and resulted in a reverse teamwipe, you really have to catch some1 squishy AND out of position for it to be worth anything | ||
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
Felt good. Have not played Ashe a whole lot lately though, and since there always are 2 sucky Urgots in each game I can't really say too much about it. Anyways, not sure if Madreds is a good followup. Haven't thought about it too much yet. Decided for it on the spur of the moment, since Ghostblade active gives so much ASpd. I also noticed that there are plenty of Kassadins. Oh another note on Urgot: We once surrounded one next to his outer mid tower, he ulted with the enemy who was coming from behind. Was kinda cute and effective as he got away safely. | ||
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scDeluX
Canada1341 Posts
Mundo - Ghost/Smite Dorans shield + pot Harass bushes with Clever lvl 1 but don't fight, wait to get liz zerkers boots Jungle when possible and get spirit visage ASAP. Next you want to do massive farming and jungle/avoid ganking until you get YumuGhostBlade Buy Yumu + Agility and Fortitude pot (This is where you really shine) Go for a gank and win the game. 3v3 reward passive play, don't fight when your not sure you'll win. Late game, 1 fight will win you the game. I managed to get to 1400 elo on 3v3 yesterday but lost due to bad random teammates again, Same old routine. If some ppl wanna give it a go to get to 1500 tonight (around 17h30 EST) add me @ SaiBot. | ||
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Southlight
United States11767 Posts
On August 25 2010 23:44 spinesheath wrote: I also noticed that there are plenty of Kassadins. Noooo! Keep them away! Keep the zombies away!!! | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
On August 25 2010 23:59 Southlight wrote: Noooo! Keep them away! Keep the zombies away!!! hahaha, don't worry, they probably all still suck. I saw a Kass last night when I was playing Xin and he'd like, ult into Sion/Xin/Mumu to initiate (without cleanse I might add), so it was just like, lawl, chainstun, kill you! | ||
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Iplaythings
Denmark9110 Posts
On August 25 2010 23:59 Southlight wrote: Noooo! Keep them away! Keep the zombies away!!! This is more accurate :o | ||
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