On August 23 2010 17:47 TheYango wrote: Also, I just started playing Zilean. Any advice on how to play/build him?
Start mana crystal, which you will turn into tear of the goddess. Max bomb first, then max E (spamming rewind is too costly to make a difference until higher levels/mana pools). You also want boots of mobility, with them you can hit 550+ speed and with enough CDR to keep E on permanently (if you want to waste mana).
I also want to check what other's do for jungle amumu. I've been building 4 HoG with boots then negatron, upgrading to FoN, and then upgrading sunfire's/thornmail/banshies/whatever. I've also been leveling my W first, but looking now going from 1.5 to 2.7 really wouldn't make my jungling as fast as leveling E first. I had my build insulted, so I want to see if there are better options. According to spreadsheets, HoG is one of the best items in the game, and I'm usually pissing gold (it was also my first ranked loss with amumu at a rather low level). I'm open to changes and improvements.
HoG is great.. dont give up on it, I get HoG on almost every single tank I play :D.. idk who said it, but someone in this thread had a good rule of thumb for mummy , they try to get as many HoG by 13 minutes, then start other items..
I personally go cloth armor + 5 pot, then I do full cycle, b get boots + ward, then gank, then keep getting hog/ hogpieces until 13 minutes, then finish merc treads(rarely i might get tabi), then start appropriate tank item for the game, though its often banshees or force cause I got a lot of armor from hog already
On August 23 2010 17:47 TheYango wrote: Also, I just started playing Zilean. Any advice on how to play/build him?
Start mana crystal, which you will turn into tear of the goddess. Max bomb first, then max E (spamming rewind is too costly to make a difference until higher levels/mana pools). You also want boots of mobility, with them you can hit 550+ speed and with enough CDR to keep E on permanently (if you want to waste mana).
I also want to check what other's do for jungle amumu. I've been building 4 HoG with boots then negatron, upgrading to FoN, and then upgrading sunfire's/thornmail/banshies/whatever. I've also been leveling my W first, but looking now going from 1.5 to 2.7 really wouldn't make my jungling as fast as leveling E first. I had my build insulted, so I want to see if there are better options. According to spreadsheets, HoG is one of the best items in the game, and I'm usually pissing gold (it was also my first ranked loss with amumu at a rather low level). I'm open to changes and improvements.
HoG is great.. dont give up on it, I get HoG on almost every single tank I play :D.. idk who said it, but someone in this thread had a good rule of thumb for mummy , they try to get as many HoG by 13 minutes, then start other items..
I personally go cloth armor + 5 pot, then I do full cycle, b get boots + ward, then gank, then keep getting hog/ hogpieces until 13 minutes, then finish merc treads(rarely i might get tabi), then start appropriate tank item for the game, though its often banshees or force cause I got a lot of armor from hog already
when do you get op sunfire cape?
gasp! I sometimes don't even get it :D
entirely depends on team comp.. most teams Ive been facing lately have tons of semi tanks(and unless their olaf there gonna be doing magic damage ), or op casters like vlad.. not many of those 2-3 phys dps guys anymore.. so armor not high high priority and you get a bunch from HoG
I keep finding myself watching this video over and over.
Also, I just started playing Zilean. Any advice on how to play/build him?
If you dont have health quints start with dorans ring, otherwise go sapphire crystal.
9 in offense to get CDR and MPEN, 21 in utility, I like to get heal if playing support, otherwise feel free to get whatever your team needs, teleport, clairvoyance, clarity, dont really need ghost or flash, since you have E
your skill distribution will be QWQEQR, then R>Q>E>W
harass at level 1 by going up to them and pressing Q, then backing off, they will either have to back off and get zoned, or go through creepline and damage his own creeps with the aoe.
at level 3 they should be at half health, calculate how much you're doing to them by putting a level 2 on them, then calculate how much 2 of that will be, continue harassing till they reach that number, then go QWQ on them and auto attack, they will die.
Get Tears of goddes->sorcerer boots (offensive)/merc tread (defensive)->zhonya+blue elixer->archmage staff->soul shroud if you need health, more archmage staff, or for lulz, lichbane/guardian angel, remember to keep your blue elixer
Zilean's main problem is that you require some coordination, your teamates must know the second they are ulted so they do not run away then realize they should be staying, that requires trust that solo queue doesnt really give, you need to build up this trust by continualy saving people throughout the game, you mus also E to save people and E to slow people. E an ally if that ally has a disable that requires them to be closer (udyr, lizard buff/frozen mallet).
When you die and respawn, if your ult is on CD you should E yourself then W while moving out of the fountain, you get there faster and you lower ult's cd.
Remember smartcasting alt+skill=cast on self, for example if you are running away, instead of pressing E then clicking on yourself, press alt+E and you will speed yourself up, more importantly, if you are going to cast your ult on yourself in a hectic team fight, don't try to R+click, no matter how fast you move the mouse its not as fast as alt+R. similarly since Q's aoe is 100%, dont bother casting on enemies in team fights, since they will move away from each other, instead, cast it on yourself (pre-battle if you know when your team is initiating) and they will run into the damage.
to be honest i dont even know why people mass sunfire vs AP line up.... brains missing or what?
btw, i think WW need a nerf. there is no way to stop him jungling and by mid game, team has WW will has 3 champs level 6 first. I have tried to wards and FB the kid but even FB only delay his mid game ganking time to level 8 instead of 6.
actually, ww ganking comes right when he nabs red, not @ 6, which is what i used to believe. Still tho, with either flash or ghost, its not really that hard to escape his ganks, its only when you dont see him coming (which comes with either playing as him or playing against him alot to get the timings) that ww ganks become a problem
On August 23 2010 17:21 SnK-Arcbound wrote: I lost 80 points this weekend . Made back 40 so far though. I supposed I have to play fiddle, otherwise I don't have inventory room, and no one else purchases wards. I usually spend well over 1000g on wards a game, but it's sooo much more easier when people listen.
I play primarily tanks and I SPAM wards in ranked ... I rarely see another ward at my elo unless someone bought lantern
I'm in low level unranked and I put wards absolutely everywhere until my inventory fills up.
I generally get a little annoyed when nobody feels like it's their job to get wards, in the current metagame there is only 1 top-tier carry dps which is ezrael, most of them on EU will get wriggle's and many of them are bad and they pack clairvoyance, which has such a low CD even without masteries that it pretty much counts as a ward.
Also when jungling I play mostly with the mindset of "I could get this item, but wouldn't be able to buy any potions or wards, or I can delay the item AND get what I need." I generally go for the 2nd route unless I have all the HoGs I need and need to buy me a negatron.
On August 23 2010 20:25 NB wrote: to be honest i dont even know why people mass sunfire vs AP line up.... brains missing or what?
Sunfires still dish out a lot of damage (40-200 dps depending on number of enemies in range?) and add a reasonable amount of HP. If you feel you're being ignored too much as a tank, SFC will get you more attention. Not sure if there are actually better items/combinations that add as much dps and EHP, but sunfires definitely are decent. I personally would rather get other items, but in some cases I really feel that there are no decent MRes items for the current situation (especially after the first FON). Also Rammus gets a bonus from his passive with SFC.
Does anyone know the ranges of those Aura/AoE Active/AoE Passive items like Aegis, Randuins, SFC? Or a place where I might be able to look them up?
On August 23 2010 12:07 HeavOnEarth wrote: WW new OP? nashor solo at 15min ?! shaco got nothin on this
Damn what's ur build for this?
I switched blue runes from cdr to mrp5pl so I don't feel helpless late game without blue buff. Def not been able to solo baron at lvl 15 or under.
atk speed red/quint cdr blue/ flat armor ylw 16/0/14 longsword open q open blue open-> wolves->wraiths->liz->mini golem b-> madreds ideally. i change it up a lot.
Hmm that's exactly what I'm doing cept for the cdr blues. I might switch back and give it a shot.
I think he's using the ward bug. Use place 2 wards by baron and he attacks the wards or something like that.
uhh, no. the fuck?
It's a new bug that I've heard of. But that's interesting, you can solo baron at 15 mins as ww? Were you super fed or what?
because i didn't post a screenshot where i was 6-0 at 15min outcreeping heimer? <_<
Sunfire is a great early tanking item, but unless your the only person on your team dishing out magic damage, they become pretty useless as far as their dps goes pretty fast.. however, the item itself still gives you a great deal of HP and good armor, so it's not bad, I am not a fan of more than 1 unless theres a reason team fights are gonna be very crowded, and nobodys getting mresist..
and HoGs Negatrons and what they build into and wards sure is a great recipe for success
edit: the range for sunfire is pretty wide from what I thought it was, cause it will irritate mr golem through the wall and if you stand in a creep wave you can see where the edge is...
Randuins has a visual effect upon activation, I would say it's the size of anivias ult?
Aegies/starks I have no clue, but it's pretty close to randuins i believe, not so sure on sivir/taric ults
On August 23 2010 20:25 NB wrote: to be honest i dont even know why people mass sunfire vs AP line up.... brains missing or what?
btw, i think WW need a nerf. there is no way to stop him jungling and by mid game, team has WW will has 3 champs level 6 first. I have tried to wards and FB the kid but even FB only delay his mid game ganking time to level 8 instead of 6.
as long as you aren't being bad and pushing your lane halfway across the map , you won't get ganked. People at low elo's just blind auto-attack too much then get zoned or raped by a jungler.
stopping ww from jungling is as easy as buying a ward at blue and dragon. Then he is useless.
On August 23 2010 20:25 NB wrote: to be honest i dont even know why people mass sunfire vs AP line up.... brains missing or what?
btw, i think WW need a nerf. there is no way to stop him jungling and by mid game, team has WW will has 3 champs level 6 first. I have tried to wards and FB the kid but even FB only delay his mid game ganking time to level 8 instead of 6.
Sunfires add a ton of health (which makes you harder to burst against an all AP lineup) and give armor so that you can tower dive more. The fact that sunfires also do considerable dps is just icing on the cake.
There aren't any items that have HP and Mres besides banshees veil so you really can't stack hp/mr items and sunfire happens to be the best item after banshee's for survival.
Ugh DreamScaR and myself had an epicly stupid match last night. by the 59 minute mark I had to make the decision to replace my void staff with a 3rd zhonya's. They had no mres except one player had a banshees. We still lost due to the feeders on our team fed more than the feeders on the other team. I haven't been this disgusted since my first two games on my smurf.
But anyway, when you have all the straight AP items and tons of cash, what do you do? I've never been in such a weird position before. Probably because everyone in liquidparty is above average... Or at least above random.
On August 23 2010 21:25 ghen wrote: Ugh DreamScaR and myself had an epicly stupid match last night. by the 59 minute mark I had to make the decision to replace my void staff with a 3rd zhonya's. They had no mres except one player had a banshees. We still lost due to the feeders on our team fed more than the feeders on the other team. I haven't been this disgusted since my first two games on my smurf.
But anyway, when you have all the straight AP items and tons of cash, what do you do? I've never been in such a weird position before. Probably because everyone in liquidparty is above average... Or at least above random.
Triple elixir, sell boots, ward->teleport to their base?
On August 23 2010 21:25 ghen wrote: Ugh DreamScaR and myself had an epicly stupid match last night. by the 59 minute mark I had to make the decision to replace my void staff with a 3rd zhonya's. They had no mres except one player had a banshees. We still lost due to the feeders on our team fed more than the feeders on the other team. I haven't been this disgusted since my first two games on my smurf.
But anyway, when you have all the straight AP items and tons of cash, what do you do? I've never been in such a weird position before. Probably because everyone in liquidparty is above average... Or at least above random.
stacking Zhonyas is awful, get some survivability instead. Also, even a haunting guise is better than a third Zhonya in that situation
On August 23 2010 21:25 ghen wrote: Ugh DreamScaR and myself had an epicly stupid match last night. by the 59 minute mark I had to make the decision to replace my void staff with a 3rd zhonya's. They had no mres except one player had a banshees. We still lost due to the feeders on our team fed more than the feeders on the other team. I haven't been this disgusted since my first two games on my smurf.
But anyway, when you have all the straight AP items and tons of cash, what do you do? I've never been in such a weird position before. Probably because everyone in liquidparty is above average... Or at least above random.
Triple elixir is good. Max AP is zhonya/boots/4x Archangel's Survivability is good RoA is well balanced for AP/health If turrets are down, you can go insane, sell all your items, grab DPS items, and just kamikaze backdoor their inhibs/nexus turrets/nexus. Having invisibility or a global teleport helps, but isn't mandatory. If you're doing this, you don't even need boots...
On August 23 2010 21:53 ToT)OjKa( wrote: After watching some HSGG play some Blitz, I thought it looked pretty fun. Anyone play him and have some nice builds/runes?
for the most part, ive really only seen ap bliz (rush roa, get lichbane at some point, insert other ap items here) or triforce blitz. both usually start mana crystal and go from there. I do a weirdass solo mid strat which probably will only work against baddies, but i basically go roa-> critzcrank, which entails getting an infinity edge and a pdancer, and whatever else just kinda depends on what i feel like doing.
runes are really up to you, triforce style u want apen, ap u prob want mpen, then u def want some mp5pl runes (yellows, blues or both), cdr blues are also nice
edit: i suppose i should explain why i do my silly build, basically its more stable than just basic critzcrank (roa is great on blitz midgame) and critzcrank lets you carry a LOOT harder than ap blitz or triforce blitz can
On August 23 2010 21:53 ToT)OjKa( wrote: After watching some HSGG play some Blitz, I thought it looked pretty fun. Anyone play him and have some nice builds/runes?
for the most part, ive really only seen ap bliz (rush roa, get lichbane at some point, insert other ap items here) or triforce blitz. both usually start mana crystal and go from there. I do a weirdass solo mid strat which probably will only work against baddies, but i basically go roa-> critzcrank, which entails getting an infinity edge and a pdancer, and whatever else just kinda depends on what i feel like doing.
runes are really up to you, triforce style u want apen, ap u prob want mpen, then u def want some mp5pl runes (yellows, blues or both), cdr blues are also nice
What? Noez.
Blitz is a tank. Every top player using Blitz I've seen builds him as a tank (like jiji). Tanking items differ from player to play (as is usual) but I tend to see stuff like Frozen and Banshee or whatnot. Basically trying to get CDR amidst the tanking if possible.
EPT
. Made back 40 so far though. I supposed I have to play fiddle, otherwise I don't have inventory room, and no one else purchases wards. I usually spend well over 1000g on wards a game, but it's sooo much more easier when people listen.![[image loading]](http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/8154/68040768.png)
