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ShoreT
Profile Joined August 2008
United States489 Posts
August 19 2010 14:36 GMT
#13181
I think AP Sivir is the best Heimer counter in the game for laning. Boomerang pretty much 1 shots turrets and spell shield eats any grenades that Heimer throws at you. Of course, AP Sivir pretty much sucks, and Heimer will still beat you in late game.
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Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
August 19 2010 14:48 GMT
#13182
na, as southlight said, it's just plain old boring AD Sivir maxing riccochet before BB that beats on heimer. it's kinda funny really.
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Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
August 19 2010 14:50 GMT
#13183
Yeah I dunno why people are thinking so hard about this. Level Ricochet. Turn it on. Attack-move. Make sure you don't attack move into the tower and die to it. Done.
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Tooplark
Profile Joined October 2008
United States3977 Posts
August 19 2010 14:52 GMT
#13184
Could Mord beat Heimer in the same way? He's the next hardest pusher after Sivir, I believe.
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Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-19 15:00:30
August 19 2010 14:53 GMT
#13185
He might, I dunno. Taric beats Heimer, too, mainly because Heimer can't do jack to Taric, lol.

Edit:
Oh yeah, Kennen trashes Heimer.

Edit2:
The moral of the story is, you can stop Heimer, it's just slightly unconventional, but the sheer number of hardcounters is pretty funny. Also the biggest thing is to prevent him from getting golem, anyways.
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Rho_
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States971 Posts
August 19 2010 15:11 GMT
#13186
Thanks for that Kayle info Mogwai. I found the beastmode.
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
August 19 2010 15:12 GMT
#13187
Nasus and Morgana work him over pretty well too iirc.

I remember turkey running Nasus and me running Sivir vs. a Heimer once and it was comical how little we cared about his turrets in the mid-late game.

but yea, biggest thing is just to keep him off blue buff.
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deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
August 19 2010 15:17 GMT
#13188
I remember one game, we perfectly countered Heimer, I was in a premade with liquidparty guys and we went Taric/Cho vs Heimer/Soraka. We didn't push their tower, but he didn't get ours either.
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
August 19 2010 15:18 GMT
#13189
Heimer on a not-solo lane is so bad.
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Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
August 19 2010 15:30 GMT
#13190
Unless he's with Soraka. God damn that lane is retarded.
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Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
August 19 2010 15:33 GMT
#13191
that lane is just asking for jungle panth to double buff assrape them at 4 minutes. zzz, it's a way overrated lane IMO because of the underleveling.
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Iplaythings
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Denmark9110 Posts
August 19 2010 15:40 GMT
#13192
On August 20 2010 00:30 Southlight wrote:
Unless he's with Soraka. God damn that lane is retarded.

is that worse than the old Jax / soraka or kass / soraka..?
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Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
August 19 2010 15:44 GMT
#13193
no, it just takes the tower really quickly if unmolested. I maintain that it's really underwhelming and a waste of both the characters.
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lgd-haze
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden547 Posts
August 19 2010 15:44 GMT
#13194
Isn't there any love for Malza as pusher? While you aren't good at killing the turret, getting there is just a walk in the park. Haven't played against any heimer though. But Sivir got nothing on Malz when you get rank 4-5 of MV

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NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-19 15:48:26
August 19 2010 15:46 GMT
#13195
to counter heim: ashe teemo or sivir or any AD champs, buy a lamp!

sivir ap is the worst thing i could hv think of. you go AP simply bc he only has 1 SPELL? funny.
i remember how i was farming creeps with ricochet vs heim, the bounces eventually kill him before he even realize that he is being hit =))))

the only bad thing about that skill is if you hit towers with it, it might bounce to enemy champs which change the AI target of tower into you.

heim with soraka is real good to me atm, 1 had 2 games of it after patch, 1 i play heim and 1 i played soraka. both finish b4 25 mins mark
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Athos
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2484 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-19 15:51:46
August 19 2010 15:50 GMT
#13196
AP Sivir is godlike in ARAM. Same with AP gragas.


Also, I've learned to embrace Udyr, he's ridiculous. My only concern is that he feels very similar to Nasus, except he has a stun you can trigger every 3.6 seconds (with randium's and blue buff). I just run into the enemy team and even when all 5 focus me they can't bring me down. My damage output is also ridiculous with him considering I buy nothing but pure tank items.


I really think riot needs to remove sunfire cape from the game or something. Tanks are too strong.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
August 19 2010 15:50 GMT
#13197
to counter heimer go solo mid with olaf and get smite and then you can heal with smite while killing his turrets
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Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
August 19 2010 15:54 GMT
#13198
On August 20 2010 00:44 lgd-haze wrote:
Isn't there any love for Malza as pusher? While you aren't good at killing the turret, getting there is just a walk in the park. Haven't played against any heimer though. But Sivir got nothing on Malz when you get rank 4-5 of MV


yea! you hear that Sivir!? You're abilitiy to kill an entire creep way in 2 seconds ain't got nothin' on my single target 80 damage/second ability that lasts for 4 seconds and bounces around when they die!
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Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
August 19 2010 15:57 GMT
#13199
On August 20 2010 00:50 Athos wrote:
AP Sivir is godlike in ARAM. Same with AP gragas.


Also, I've learned to embrace Udyr, he's ridiculous. My only concern is that he feels very similar to Nasus, except he has a stun you can trigger every 3.6 seconds (with randium's and blue buff). I just run into the enemy team and even when all 5 focus me they can't bring me down. My damage output is also ridiculous with him considering I buy nothing but pure tank items.


I really think riot needs to remove sunfire cape from the game or something. Tanks are too strong.

The problem with tanks is the innate damage on their abilities is too high, sunfire cape has nothing to do with it really.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
ToT)OjKa(
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Korea (South)2437 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-19 16:02:11
August 19 2010 15:59 GMT
#13200
AP Sivir's are poop. When I used to play her I immediately went for that aura build. Most games I didn't get kills but I'd get a hell of a lot of assists, and the farming on her is so good that kill money is just a bonus.

Might have to take a break on Akali and play me some Siv. My Akali is getting pretty good, I changed my build slightly:
Doran's Blade + pot
Boots (I can get these on my first trip back from jungling which is handy)

Here I used improve boots then onto rage blade but now:
Hexgun - Because I don't need slow and I don't need the extra movement I find the increased spell vamp is just better over all, saves me buying pots and allows me to hang in lanes waiting for an initiate.
After I get the Lifedrain stick for 450 just because I might as well complete my life sucking and then I start making rageblade.

Rylai's I think isn't needed straight away. You can easily burst nearly every hero down half hp and then they'll start running, in which case you just Mark and ulti and repeat. If they fight then just Shroud and pick them apart. The extra hp doesn't matter because if you ever find yourself in trouble then shroud is more than fine, and the slow on abilities just isn't needed with Akali's ult I find.
Hextech gunblade's slow as well is great for running down heroes, even though Ez's can't out run you anyway.

It's fun hunting the squishies

edit: still don't know what seals to get with her though
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