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Chrispy
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada5878 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-12 21:26:10
July 12 2010 21:25 GMT
#5361
Neato I'm playing with Hotshotgg's nidalee on my team.

Edit: Versus maknoon's pantheon. God he shits all over my pirate... fuck.
Retvrn to Forvms
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
July 12 2010 21:25 GMT
#5362
On July 13 2010 06:16 Shikyo wrote:
Yep but my build already delays the IE for so long that I don't think you should spam them until you have it. Maybe I could edit that you SHOULD get one fort pot before the IE but well dunno.


It's not so much spam so much as IE costs 4000 gold, if they can't actually force you to fight multiple times over the duration of gathering 4000 gold they're doing something wrong. Not to mention by the time you get to it you've invested well over 6000 gold, again, if they can't force you to fight by that point they're doing something wrong. Master Yis at higher elos consistently have to chug double Fort/Agility as they work up to IE, and beyond, for every fight because they desperately need the extra HP, crit%, and attack speed. I'm not sure if Trynd needs to double pot as much (nor can he farm as fast, so he can less afford it) but it's usually going to be a good idea to hold onto at least a Fort Pot for every crucial battle.

Mog! Are you disappearing tonight, or are you playing tonight?
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
July 12 2010 21:27 GMT
#5363
On July 13 2010 06:25 Chrispy wrote:
Neato I'm playing with Hotshotgg's nidalee on my team.

Edit: Versus maknoon's pantheon. God he shits all over my pirate... fuck.


God hath handed you blessings

And then a curse

Nomnomnomnomnomnom.
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-12 21:35:02
July 12 2010 21:30 GMT
#5364
On July 13 2010 06:25 Southlight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2010 06:16 Shikyo wrote:
Yep but my build already delays the IE for so long that I don't think you should spam them until you have it. Maybe I could edit that you SHOULD get one fort pot before the IE but well dunno.


It's not so much spam so much as IE costs 4000 gold, if they can't actually force you to fight multiple times over the duration of gathering 4000 gold they're doing something wrong. Not to mention by the time you get to it you've invested well over 6000 gold, again, if they can't force you to fight by that point they're doing something wrong. Master Yis at higher elos consistently have to chug double Fort/Agility as they work up to IE, and beyond, for every fight because they desperately need the extra HP, crit%, and attack speed. I'm not sure if Trynd needs to double pot as much (nor can he farm as fast, so he can less afford it) but it's usually going to be a good idea to hold onto at least a Fort Pot for every crucial battle.

Mog! Are you disappearing tonight, or are you playing tonight?

The main problem is that you don't have a slot for it after the BF Sword so you get one before the BF and can't get one afterwards. Maybe you can sell the avarice and get another but I'm a cheapskate like that. Of course that makes sense and it's probably not a bad thing to do. Tryndamere has a gigantic base hp pool so he doesn't need the fort quite as much as Yi at that point, although you naturally want to have all the possible pots on at nearly all times after you get the IE.

EDIT: Oh yeah, and you can normally get the IE in about 5-8 minutes depending on how well you farm, so that one fort pot should be enough for the duration.

EDIT2:
On July 13 2010 06:16 barbsq wrote:
nice guide shikyo, ill have to try guinsoo's on trynd sometime :D

more images will make it a little less 'wall of text'-y, but u already addressed that. Also, i happened to see a trynd open with fort pot+5hp pots (and he was reasonably good later during the game), wondering what you think of this.

tbh though, i tend to be a pretty strong last-hitter, and if you're laning with a good support, i find there to be little need for two avarice blades, so i really would only get it if i have to sit passively in my lane the entire time, which would only happen if i didn't have someone supporting me AND the other team has very strong harass.

in any case, props for a well written and very clear guide.

It's an okay way to make sure that you don't get owned in the early game, although I don't really like it that much since it delays everything you need by so much. It's going to take you through the first 4-5 levels or so though, that are by far the toughest. I've never done that on Tryndamere, as he can't use the fort nearly as well as Shaco or Pantheon or Ashe or something might be able to. I don't think you can get a first blood even with the fort because Trynd's early game quite terrible even with it, and umm it delays the avarices so... It doesn't sound too amazing, but then again I have never tried it.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
ghen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1356 Posts
July 12 2010 21:47 GMT
#5365
Nice guide Shikyo. Especially the part about big swords, yelling, and manliness. Even I can appreciate it.
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
July 12 2010 21:50 GMT
#5366
rofl

warned ftw
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
Chrispy
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada5878 Posts
July 12 2010 22:02 GMT
#5367
Haha if anyone wanted proof of Hotshot's godliness with Nidalee well here it is.

[image loading]

I got to solo a very passive dinger top so it was an easy ride for me. I Had some very well placed ults (killed Maknoon at his tower when I hit level 6 with it LOL)
Went tankplank because Maknoon really likes to jump on squishy people trying to farm in peace.
Retvrn to Forvms
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
July 12 2010 22:07 GMT
#5368
0-8-2... was that udyr jungling or just suiciding all game?
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-12 22:09:29
July 12 2010 22:07 GMT
#5369
Poor TaeRang, never the same after they nerfed his OP hero.
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
pokeyAA
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
United States936 Posts
July 12 2010 22:11 GMT
#5370
I feel no sympathy for any old TF players. They deserve to be stomped now.
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
July 12 2010 22:14 GMT
#5371
On July 13 2010 07:07 gtrsrs wrote:
0-8-2... was that udyr jungling or just suiciding all game?

He tried to go locket.
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-12 22:16:57
July 12 2010 22:16 GMT
#5372
On July 13 2010 07:02 Chrispy wrote:
Haha if anyone wanted proof of Hotshot's godliness with Nidalee well here it is.

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


I got to solo a very passive dinger top so it was an easy ride for me. I Had some very well placed ults (killed Maknoon at his tower when I hit level 6 with it LOL)
Went tankplank because Maknoon really likes to jump on squishy people trying to farm in peace.

Haha that was hotshot's 400 win with nidalee.
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
aTnClouD
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Italy2428 Posts
July 12 2010 22:19 GMT
#5373
On July 13 2010 07:11 pokeyAA wrote:
I feel no sympathy for any old TF players. They deserve to be stomped now.

FU I'm playing AP (magnificent! :D) TF only and will play only it in season 1 and it just makes too much difference if played correctly. Really if you want to hate someone hate facerolling pantheons
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pokeyAA
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
United States936 Posts
July 12 2010 22:24 GMT
#5374
:D I'll always have a special place in my heart to hate on the old TF with his global reveal/snare, port in gold card+wildcard dealing insta death.
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
July 12 2010 22:29 GMT
#5375
x-play time.

God this channel is so bad.
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
July 12 2010 22:30 GMT
#5376
On July 13 2010 07:29 HazMat wrote:
x-play time.

God this channel is so bad.

oh right, is there any stream or something?
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
July 12 2010 22:34 GMT
#5377
Idk, i'm watching on cable. It's choppy like always.

FUUU I CANT HEAR ANYTHING
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
geegee1
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States618 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-12 22:47:49
July 12 2010 22:47 GMT
#5378
anyone streaming the x-play?
pew pew
Minzy
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia387 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-12 22:53:53
July 12 2010 22:51 GMT
#5379
The thing LoL really needs is item counters to certain heroes and to remove blind picking and introduce a system similiar to DotA. Not knowing what the opponents heroes are until the game actually starts is just stupid, people can pick in the last second like they did for a while in HoN, but eventually will realise its stupid and just play properly, this is a must for pub games, blind pick can maybe stay for AT(as you are a team already and SHOULD be able to work cohesively), but other then that, picking heroes while not knowing what the opponent has, going into the game and realising you don't have any or enough disables to counter their heroes is just frustrating. Of course 1 repick should be allowed.

Regarding item counters; some heroes are impossible to defeat without disables, this is where a sheep stick or basher is needed, something that removes their ability to attack for a few seconds ie. sheep. So in the very likely case that your team has no disables, item's make up for that gap, and there are other item's to counter said disable already so it should be fine. And how about buffing thornmail, its so terrabad atm and isnt even a viable option half the time, obviously im going to say make it like blademail; magic resist counters the dmg return anyway, but a viable option to reflect damage and increase survivability is needed other then stacking health which means you have no armor, and stacking armor which means you have no health.

my 2 cents.
Huh...
520
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2822 Posts
July 12 2010 22:54 GMT
#5380
On July 13 2010 07:51 Minzy wrote:
The thing LoL really needs is item counters to certain heroes and to remove blind picking and introduce a system similiar to DotA. Not knowing what the opponents heroes are until the game actually starts is just stupid, people can pick in the last second like they did for a while in HoN, but eventually will realise its stupid and just play properly, this is a must for pub games, blind pick can maybe stay for AT(as you are a team already and SHOULD be able to work cohesively), but other then that, picking heroes while not knowing what the opponent has, going into the game and realising you don't have any or enough disables to counter their heroes is just frustrating. Of course 1 repick should be allowed.

Regarding item counters; some heroes are impossible to defeat without disables, this is where a sheep stick or basher is needed, something that removes their ability to attack for a few seconds ie. sheep. So in the very likely case that your team has no disables, item's make up for that gap, and there are other item's to counter said disable already so it should be fine. And how about buffing thornmail, its so terrabad atm and isnt even a viable option half the time, obviously im going to say make it like blademail; magic resist counters the dmg return anyway, but a viable option to reflect damage and increase survivability is needed other then stacking health which means you have no armor, and stacking armor which means you have no health.

my 2 cents.

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