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I guess you guys didn't read my post cause I didn't find myself on the US server list 
On June 08 2010 09:39 Misder wrote:
Can Udyr still jungle after the nerf? If so, what is a good build for jungle udyr?
Also, on jungle amumu, I haven't decided whether or not its better to go cloth+5pots then start with non-aura --> lvl 3 golem or red elixer+5pots then start with golem. What do you guys think? I have sucess with both builds, but I don't know which one is better (or if it really doesn't matter).
As you can tell, I like jungling. However, I'm pretty bad at knowing when to gank and when to keep jungling. Its either i'm jungling and then someone needs my help so I go and just hold the lane, or I get ready to gank, but there is never a good position to do it. (actually, i've had more trouble with this as amumu, so should i get bandage toss lvl 4 after two despair and one tantrum?)
What are the thoughts on aegis of legions in pub matches? Is it worth getting after the nerf? I think that in pubs, it should be good because it is more of a personal item, but it still gives the aura to everyone. Also, I calculated it, and I think that it is gold efficient if you have one other friendly with you (not positive, probably need to check work on that). I'm not amazing at this game, so I was wondering about your thoughts.
What is an effective way to face an all-tank team? They seem impossible to kill. Its like Morde, Rammus, Poppy, Sion, Nunu on the team which provides so much CC, initiation, burst damage, and almost impossible to kill.
I guess you can add me on the US client list as Misder. I've played with some TL people already, so I'm not completely new to the community. Gozey probably still hates me for failing at WW that one day, lol.
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On June 10 2010 14:56 Khenra wrote:Well at 7 AM I joined a friend for a game, we had some scrappy setup and were just talking about those boring Janna/Ezreal/Ashe/Shen/X setups, when we faced just that.. ![[image loading]](http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/8058/lolimbateamowned.jpg) Turned out they didn't know how to play :D Beating good setups with bad setups always feels great!
thornmails> their entire team
roflll
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On June 10 2010 14:56 Khenra wrote:Well at 7 AM I joined a friend for a game, we had some scrappy setup and were just talking about those boring Janna/Ezreal/Ashe/Shen/X setups, when we faced just that.. Turned out they didn't know how to play :D Beating good setups with bad setups always feels great!
Awesome! We just ran team with Mord and Gragas and it was really fun too. We only won because their Mundo was godawful and build FoN->Sunfires with no boots, but our Kat got a quadra and our Gangplank got a penta :D
Also, I think Mal'zahar is really fun.
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Eve and Kass to me are the most fun when playing against crappier opponents
Try Trinity Force on both of them, its a blast
Gragas is also fun. Just spam W/E all day.
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On June 10 2010 15:39 Misder wrote:I guess you guys didn't read my post cause I didn't find myself on the US server list Show nested quote +On June 08 2010 09:39 Misder wrote:
Can Udyr still jungle after the nerf? If so, what is a good build for jungle udyr?
Also, on jungle amumu, I haven't decided whether or not its better to go cloth+5pots then start with non-aura --> lvl 3 golem or red elixer+5pots then start with golem. What do you guys think? I have sucess with both builds, but I don't know which one is better (or if it really doesn't matter).
As you can tell, I like jungling. However, I'm pretty bad at knowing when to gank and when to keep jungling. Its either i'm jungling and then someone needs my help so I go and just hold the lane, or I get ready to gank, but there is never a good position to do it. (actually, i've had more trouble with this as amumu, so should i get bandage toss lvl 4 after two despair and one tantrum?)
What are the thoughts on aegis of legions in pub matches? Is it worth getting after the nerf? I think that in pubs, it should be good because it is more of a personal item, but it still gives the aura to everyone. Also, I calculated it, and I think that it is gold efficient if you have one other friendly with you (not positive, probably need to check work on that). I'm not amazing at this game, so I was wondering about your thoughts.
What is an effective way to face an all-tank team? They seem impossible to kill. Its like Morde, Rammus, Poppy, Sion, Nunu on the team which provides so much CC, initiation, burst damage, and almost impossible to kill.
I guess you can add me on the US client list as Misder. I've played with some TL people already, so I'm not completely new to the community. Gozey probably still hates me for failing at WW that one day, lol.
i think it's case-by-case but if they are very armor-oriented tanks, have your mages try to pick them off and obviously if they have a ton of magic resist then your carries can shred them
that IS a scary 5 but with the right skills and teamwork coordination you can beat that
shen for example can get the attention of 3-5 of them with a well placed taunt, fiddle's blink-in ult will cause mass confusion there
try to save the heroes that are invincible in certain situations (trynd/zilean/poppy for example) for last, as trying to kill them will waste your time, which allows the other opponents to pound on you
i think a surprise offensive that catches them offguard would do really well too. they're going to be expecting you to be defending at a tower with all 5 guys just standing around waiting for their march of onslaught, but if you can catch them before the tower (or use a bait to get them to dive the tower into 4 guys waiting in the brush between towers or whatever) you can cause them to go into "run away mode" where they are not so tough as each champ scrambles for his own life
additionally, 4 heros playing steadfast defense while a 5th with mobility (ala twisted fate) pushes open lanes is a good strat against a really hardy team imo
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also if you have enemy champs with great complimenting ults ala amumu, yeti, and blitz, who are all semi-tanky and have AOE ults, keep track of when they use them. getting one of them or two of them to "blow their load early" so to speak will make it a lot easier to engage them later
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can anybody tell me what should i use my IP for? im level 5 currently so i dun think i shuold save those until 30 for runes right ~_~?
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On June 10 2010 17:05 NB wrote:
can anybody tell me what should i use my IP for? im level 5 currently so i dun think i shuold save those until 30 for runes right ~_~?
long term: spent them on teir1 rune and save for tier3 rune when you get to level 20.
small term(if you're just trying this game till sc2): spent ip on hero.
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I'm only rank 7 atm but I'm having fun with Ashe... Once you get Trinity and the Blood-something (axe icon) you become a killing machine. Critting for 500 and slowing with every hit. Woot. Being squishy is a real bitch, though, some heroes can take you to pieces.
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On June 10 2010 09 :23 InsideTheBox wrote:
Haha EquilasH nice screenshot editing/ troll attempt.
Well, the point is still there.. It is fucking hard to carry with Akali.
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I don't think I was clear enough in my last post, so I will just repost this.
EU: EquilasH
lvl 27
EDIT: Oops, I double posted 
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On June 10 2010 18:07 brain_ wrote:
I'm only rank 7 atm but I'm having fun with Ashe... Once you get Trinity and the Blood-something (axe icon) you become a killing machine. Critting for 500 and slowing with every hit. Woot.
Don't get trinity with ashe, you already have a slow with your Q attack and W.
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better to stack infinity edge or black cleavers
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On June 10 2010 18:43 GTR wrote:
better to stack infinity edge or black cleavers
only items you should stack is bloodthirstier imo
better yet infinity edge+bloodthirstier+black cleaver+Last whisper+ boot+ga i see no reason stack any items.
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A story about crappy players.
Utahime (6:03): motherfucker
Utahime (6:03): i have stn tryhard on my team
Utahime (6:03): buti also have elementz
Justyen (6:03): ?
Justyen (6:03): lol
Utahime (6:04): stn tryhard = queue-dodge
Utahime (6:04): elementz = we have a chance
Utahime (6:04): = fuck
Justyen (6:04): i'd stay in and hope that elementz puts stn in order xD
Utahime (6:57): go figure
Utahime (6:57): stn costs us the game
Justyen (6:58): lame =X
Justyen (6:58): geez how long was that?
Utahime (6:58): like 60 minutes
Utahime (6:58): all we needed to do
Utahime (6:59): he*
Utahime (6:59): stay alive for 3 seconds
Utahime (6:59): T H R E E seconds
Utahime (6:59): and he dies instead
Utahime (6:59): in our base
Utahime (6:59): alone
Utahime (6:59): because he's retarded
Justyen (6:59): =X
Soloside (6:59): lulz
Soloside (6:59): bads will be bads
Utahime (7:00): elementz was pretty pissed, too
Utahime (7:00): can't blame him
Utahime (7:00): that was retarded
Soloside (7:00): what was the team comp?
(It was Kayle(STN) Amumu Ezreal Twitch Kennen vs Ezreal Ashe Alistar Janna Akali)
The very next game:
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On June 10 2010 13:21 Liquid`NonY wrote:
can you write a quick little guide of how to jungle for amumu? i've been wanting to do it for a while but i'm not sure exactly how to do it. of course i've seen other people doing it so i have an idea but i'm sure there's an optimal way to do it and i dont know it
I usually run Flat HP/Magic Pen/Mp5pl/Mp5pl with a 1/6/23 setup (Smite, MR+Armor, then Utility), carrying Smite/Ghost.
I open Cloth 5x Heal Pot, going with the relatively normal non-buff creep route of lizard-side neutral, then wraith, then golem-side neutral. If I get a double Golem spawn I get level 3, if I get a Wolf spawn (or two) I'll end level 2. Whichever the case, I go back to base. If they have a Jungler on this trip back I buy a ward.
If I'm level 3 I'll run straight to Golem and kill it, then go around killing regular spawns again (I tend to go Golem -> Wraith -> Other neutral -> Lizard).
If I'm level 2 I'll just repeat the process, then grab Golem at level 4/5 when I feel like the travel time isn't going to mess me up.
At level 5/6 I'll get Lizard, heal up (or Pot up depending on status of game/jungling) and then gank a lane if possible.
I run Heart of Gold ASAP, Treads, Sunfire x2, turn HoG into Randuin, then resume Sunfire. But this build order can change subject to opponents (sometimes I make a GA for MR), and the build order for the first few items tends to change quite a bit based on how the game's going. Ideally I'd rush HoG, buy a regular Boot, then make a Sunfire, but if I see a gank opportunity or I'm needed for ganking I'll buy a faster regular Boot, sometimes I delay Treads even until after two Capes if I can, whatever. That's just experience.
You might ask, why do you run double Mp5pl if you're jungling (Golem)?
Well a lot of times you'll get someone else to give golem to. Like in that screenshot above I kept giving it to Kassadin.
Edit:
Misder's post reminded me about skill order.
I wait until the neutrals spawn before picking skill. Despair for Golems, Tantrum for Wolves. Then I end up doing something like
W/E/W/E/Q/R/W/W
I tend to level Despair over Tantrum because you kill neutrals faster. Q at level 5 is the latest you can delay it to, IMO, as by level 6 you need to be able to gank which means you need at least a level of Bandage.
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Hmm triforce and brutalizer. + Ill try that :O
Gonna try out 21/9/0 AD ezreal with
armor pen reds
mp5/lvl blue/ylw
hp quints
flash ignite
any suggestions on AD ezreal? AP heals are definitely too gimped now dont feel useful
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+ Show Spoiler [AD ezreal is fun] +
basically-> blow ult -> free attack speed
start kiting around everybody with e/flash/ghost/ w.e u have and spam q nonstop for SUPER DPS! :D
after everyone stops chasing you, sit still and start autocattacking
w sux balls with dmg and heals so i think best use of this is just to aim the atk speed buff/debuff on allied/enemy champs
disadvantage: ???
none because heals suck and ult scales like T_T now, but still does 650(lvl 3) without any AP at all
your e is pretty good ratio but the improved Q dmg with AD ezreal gives u a HUGE nuke with sheen :D
advantage:
so much more dps
so much more farming ability
+ U WRECK MID.
i seriously want to start practicing solomid exclusively AD ezreal now. :/
\subscribed AD ezreal
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Could someone explain jungling with Udyr to me? Starting gear, any deviations from standard creep order, and other important tips and tricks? Since I read this guide which says it is possible to jungle with a Ruby crystal, but does Turtle stance give enough regeneration? So far I've been laning with him, which goes fairly well. But then I'm wasting his jungling potential. Of course, you can't always count on having someone who can take on a lane 1v2, especially in solo queue.
Thanks in advance.
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I used to open Meki Pendant on Udyr to jungle (back when his Turtle Stance was nerfed) so I'd imagine opening Ruby/Sapphire is fine. Most Udyrs I've seen just go Locket -> Sunfire.
Edit:
Also, re Misder's big post.
1) Elixir doesn't build into anything. If you ever have a viable and perfectly-fine alternative it's better to take the alternative.
2) You want to get Bandage when you anticipate ganking. This is always going to be up to gameflow.
3) I don't like Aegis anymore, as it scales really badly into mid-lategame, but it, like Locket, is still a nice early-midgame pushing item.
4) The team you listed has pretty bad CC/initiation. A proper "tanky" team that has beaten me several times is something like Sion Gragas Mundo Ryze Anivia - the three tanks soak up damage whilst outputting decent damage and having relatively good laning power, while the Ryze and Anivia - one hardcore AoE nuker and one CC-bot - punish anyone that tries to squeeze past the three tanks. When it comes to beating them, it's tough, but your team has to have the discipline to either fully backstep to take down the tanks (and you need a snarebot with Frozen/Liz/Ashe to do this) or to fully commit to a fight and ignore the tanks. A full tank team should (like the one you listed) has too crappy a damage output do be much of a threat - if you're losing to it, it means your team has too many bad glass cannons.
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Hey,
Figured id give LoL a try, I'm fairly experienced with DotA/HoN. Anyone want to play a few games with a newbie? Send me a PM
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