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On October 23 2010 00:11 IntoTheWow wrote:
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How do people feel about fiddlesticks? I never tried him and I like mages a lot, but reading guides, playing vs him and reading his AP scaling makes him look so bad compared to other AOE ult mages.
For whatever reason, Fiddlesticks feels pretty forgettable at this point. His main draw was always double CC + huge damage AoE ult, but they've systematically nerfed him to the point that it doesn't really feel like his CC is that effective anymore and his damage is too low. *shrug* similar to Jax in that they struggled during balancing and couldn't find a middle ground and ended up just overnerfing him.
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On October 23 2010 00:02 Dark.Pyro wrote:
Does anyone here play Sona?
Probably gonna buy her soon, she's been in a few games with me and seemed pretty cool as a support
I'm trying to figure out builds for her beforehand though (items, runes, masteries, upgrades)
Yea Sona is probably the best support in the game she's definitely worth learning and figure out what works for you as far as item wise everyone has different opinions on that. I personally think going an ap build works well on her but some people don't like it. Sometimes though you're not gonna be able to farm well and your carry needs to farm if you're in a duo lane and the more support items are good too so its really situational imo.
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On October 23 2010 00:15 -Kato- wrote:
Why is Sheen recommended in many Nasus guides, if it doesnt proc on his Q?
what? It procs on his Q. I still don't know why people recommend it so much, but it most certainly does proc on his Q.
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Lol chrispysc? He's one of the better players in the channel. Honestly you won't learn anything from 1 person, it's better to join a 4 man of TL with you as the fifth.
It was ChipsAhoy? Nice guy even though we all dragged him down. I'll give it a shot later.
On October 22 2010 23:55 myopia wrote:
Lanemumu is totally legit.
mpen/mp5plvl/mreslvl/ms
0/8/22
flash/ghost
eweqer/r>w>whatever. Get points into e early to stop creep aggro and help with last hitting.
regrowth+hpot
hog/hog/mercs in some order.
fon/randuins/sunfire/banshees as needed.
Obviously don't do this if you don't have a jungler. I like this build because 1. Amumu isn't the best jungler and 2. Mobility. Movespeed quints, flash+ghost with utility masteries means you will always be in position to ult/cry peoples faces off. Just make sure you lane with an awesome ranged champ.
Before I knew how to jungle I used to lanemumu all the time. I usually pick up Q first though to punish stupidity. Honestly I feel better about it than jungling. That game with ChipsAhoy I was terrified of WW the first few minutes so my jungling suffered.
If we have a better jungles I much prefer to lane... As you said with a good ranged champ Emumu is all good and there's a guaranteed kill or 2 at lvl 6. Mundo and MF fuck me up in a lane though.
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On October 23 2010 00:17 Mogwai wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2010 00:11 IntoTheWow wrote:
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How do people feel about fiddlesticks? I never tried him and I like mages a lot, but reading guides, playing vs him and reading his AP scaling makes him look so bad compared to other AOE ult mages. For whatever reason, Fiddlesticks feels pretty forgettable at this point. His main draw was always double CC + huge damage AoE ult, but they've systematically nerfed him to the point that it doesn't really feel like his CC is that effective anymore and his damage is too low. *shrug* similar to Jax in that they struggled during balancing and couldn't find a middle ground and ended up just overnerfing him.
Oh well, he looks so cool. I like his design, I wish they would buff him so I could play him : [
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On October 23 2010 00:22 IntoTheWow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2010 00:17 Mogwai wrote:On October 23 2010 00:11 IntoTheWow wrote:
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How do people feel about fiddlesticks? I never tried him and I like mages a lot, but reading guides, playing vs him and reading his AP scaling makes him look so bad compared to other AOE ult mages. For whatever reason, Fiddlesticks feels pretty forgettable at this point. His main draw was always double CC + huge damage AoE ult, but they've systematically nerfed him to the point that it doesn't really feel like his CC is that effective anymore and his damage is too low. *shrug* similar to Jax in that they struggled during balancing and couldn't find a middle ground and ended up just overnerfing him. Oh well, he looks so cool. I like his design, I wish they would buff him so I could play him : [
*shrugs* just play him. He's really not that bad, per say, he's just overshadowed by the really strong mages like Annie, Anivia and Kennen.
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WHICH ISN'T TO SAY YOU CAN'T DO WELL WITH HIM
but he's much harder than some of the other "low tier champs"
He's very team dependent unless you're stupidly fed, and very reliant on your sense of timing.
On the other hand, he's an incredible jungler up to at least 1400 (when people occasionally counterjungle), he ganks very well, he actually does scale pretty well (no more 2 AP ratio on crowstorm though) and CAWCAWCAWCAWCAW.
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Oh well, he looks so cool. I like his design, I wish they would buff him so I could play him : [
Oh you can play him. That fear is still a brutal CC. Also nothing makes me laugh harder than a good ol' game of 'Fiddle in the middle.'
What's that Ashe? you're going to turret hug and pop out a little only to lasthit/volley?
That's alright but--- wait. Did you hear something? I think it came from the wraiths above the turrCAWCAWCAWCAW
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Also one of the few viable jungle casters, other than caster nunu
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Ah speaking of jungling, I meant to ask: has anyone ever tried Jungle Nasus? Or does the inability to SS minion waves make it not worth it?
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I've done it and it's too slow and he's too poor of a ganker for my tastes. If I'm jungling that slowly, I better be playing Pantheon/Akali and be fuckin' bitches up on ganks.
EDIT: and actually, one of the bigger perks to it is that you have assured SS targets. a lot of tough lanes won't let you build your SS up, but in the jungle, you're basically guaranteed to get a big Q.
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On October 23 2010 00:19 Mogwai wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2010 00:15 -Kato- wrote:
Why is Sheen recommended in many Nasus guides, if it doesnt proc on his Q? what? It procs on his Q. I still don't know why people recommend it so much, but it most certainly does proc on his Q.
Lichbane AP Nasus is ridiculous. Underplayed mostly because it suffers from the same issue as not-AP Nasus (needs a lot of farm) but if your team can babysit you...
No love for the caster Kassadin 
Jungle Nasus is terrible cuz he doesn't kill very fast. He just falls behind.
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On October 23 2010 00:17 Mogwai wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2010 00:11 IntoTheWow wrote:
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How do people feel about fiddlesticks? I never tried him and I like mages a lot, but reading guides, playing vs him and reading his AP scaling makes him look so bad compared to other AOE ult mages. For whatever reason, Fiddlesticks feels pretty forgettable at this point. His main draw was always double CC + huge damage AoE ult, but they've systematically nerfed him to the point that it doesn't really feel like his CC is that effective anymore and his damage is too low. *shrug* similar to Jax in that they struggled during balancing and couldn't find a middle ground and ended up just overnerfing him.
i slightly disagree
i think fiddle has some of the strongest CC in the game, even now. his 1634 seconds of fear is brutal in a gank, especially if your champ wanders back towards the enemy champs when he hits you with it. the silence can also devastate combos and coordinated ganks. AND it's true what they say, crowstorms win games. a really well placed one can literally end the game.
his main issue imo is his complete squishiness and kind of anti-synergistic skills. if you plan on ulting into a fight, you're not going to get your fear off cause people are going to scatter or focus you. and if you start a fight with fear or silence, you won't have time to channel your ult. also if you don't snowball early your damage output will be nonexistent and you can't tickle tanks to death
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On October 23 2010 00:17 AtTheFuneral wrote:
Yea Sona is probably the best support in the game she's definitely worth learning and figure out what works for you as far as item wise everyone has different opinions on that. I personally think going an ap build works well on her but some people don't like it. Sometimes though you're not gonna be able to farm well and your carry needs to farm if you're in a duo lane and the more support items are good too so its really situational imo.
Ah thanks!
I've been using Janna a lot due to her lowly cost of 1350 and she's treated me well so far 
Hopefully transferring over to Sona won't go horribly wrong. I suppose you're right about the farming though. Something to think about...
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Janna is 100% the best support in the game. There's no debate about it, no other hero buys that much time for a carry.
Sona is Soraka-lite, though, in that she sustains pushes and synergises really well with a second support hero. Last night while trying to queue against Milkfat we ran into Xpecial's team instead (TROLLED BY RIOT) and they ran Sona/Lux and they were absorbing soooo much damage.
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No love for the caster Kassadin
If you want lich bane do it with Veigar lol.
My friend always surpasses 1000 AP in games with Veigar and kills buildings so fast it's not even funny. Cast spell, physical for 1000+ damage.
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On October 23 2010 00:41 Dark.Pyro wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2010 00:17 AtTheFuneral wrote:
Yea Sona is probably the best support in the game she's definitely worth learning and figure out what works for you as far as item wise everyone has different opinions on that. I personally think going an ap build works well on her but some people don't like it. Sometimes though you're not gonna be able to farm well and your carry needs to farm if you're in a duo lane and the more support items are good too so its really situational imo. Ah thanks! I've been using Janna a lot due to her lowly cost of 1350 and she's treated me well so far Hopefully transferring over to Sona won't go horribly wrong. I suppose you're right about the farming though. Something to think about...
if you play janna right now and dont have trouble, you wont have any trouble with sona. shes the easiest joke faceroll hero in any game ive ever played.
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On October 23 2010 00:38 Southlight wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2010 00:19 Mogwai wrote:On October 23 2010 00:15 -Kato- wrote:
Why is Sheen recommended in many Nasus guides, if it doesnt proc on his Q? what? It procs on his Q. I still don't know why people recommend it so much, but it most certainly does proc on his Q. Lichbane AP Nasus is ridiculous. Underplayed mostly because it suffers from the same issue as not-AP Nasus (needs a lot of farm) but if your team can babysit you... No love for the caster Kassadin Jungle Nasus is terrible cuz he doesn't kill very fast. He just falls behind.
AP Nasus's Ult is just fucking horrifying, but you can actually ff him and kill him... That's really the issue I have with not-tank Nasus. He has this big horrifying ult that demands your attention regardless, the last thing you want is for their attention to actually be able to accomplish anything.
I guess I'm forgetting about Kassadin since we basically don't play anymore.
On October 23 2010 00:41 Dark.Pyro wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2010 00:17 AtTheFuneral wrote:
Yea Sona is probably the best support in the game she's definitely worth learning and figure out what works for you as far as item wise everyone has different opinions on that. I personally think going an ap build works well on her but some people don't like it. Sometimes though you're not gonna be able to farm well and your carry needs to farm if you're in a duo lane and the more support items are good too so its really situational imo. Ah thanks! I've been using Janna a lot due to her lowly cost of 1350 and she's treated me well so far Hopefully transferring over to Sona won't go horribly wrong. I suppose you're right about the farming though. Something to think about...
Janna is stronger support than Sona IMO, though Sona is obviously stronger in lane. Janna's ult is just far and away the stupidest ability in the game and her support to your carry feels much more focused.
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On October 22 2010 23:03 nyxnyxnyx wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2010 22:45 Zanzabar Haberdasher wrote:
Regarding Teemo, Rageblade and Mushrooms:
When is the bonus damage for a mushroom calculated, when it is laid or when it is stepped on? Stepped on.
uhhh, is this true?
i'm pretty sure that shrooms don't "evolve"...
also i think if u put a shroom lvl 2 and then upgrade shroom to llv 3 that the already placed shrooms stay at lvl 2.
i read this somewhere but i don't know where t.t
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I've been looking at some experience values (mathcrafting), and my numbers say that you will hit level 18 around the 25 minute mark if you just sit in a solo lane all day and get all theXP for yourself. The 4% XP mastery not included, however that only makes a 1 or 2 waves difference.
Whoops confused two columns there:
Level 6 at the 6 minute mark.
Do you think this is about right or are the values I have off?
If you have any numbers when you typically hit level X in an average game, I'd like to know too, since it's hard to factor in the XP loss from bluepilling, ganking and getting denied. I'm sure I'll forget to check myself if I play a game now, unless it's a 25 minute solo practice match (no thx...).
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