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LoCicero
Profile Joined August 2010
1100 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-22 16:28:44
October 22 2010 16:27 GMT
#26121
On October 23 2010 00:59 Mogwai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2010 00:56 IntoTheWow wrote:
I like Kennen. I dislike Sona, she cuts my ult. LET ME ULT IN PEACE WOMAN.

Kennen is strong as hell. Goddamn, I think I need some Locicero/Maknoon input on whether that matchup is impossible for Pantheon, because he's the only character other than Urgot (lol) who consistently rapes me sideways in lane .

He's super fun to play though, love his character design.


You are indeed correct, a well played Kennen will beat Pantheon in the lane. For every Q Panth can throw, Kennen can usually hit with his W passive, hit with its active, hit with other auto attacks (his range is suuuuper long) and possibly his Q depending on the situation.

I don't think I've run into anyone that rapes Panth as hard as Sion (in top lane) though. Panth can't break lvl 2 shield and from then on it's gg. Sion free farms while Panth gets destroyed.
Brees
Profile Joined January 2010
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
October 22 2010 16:44 GMT
#26122
sona solo > all

ive beaten vlad, panth, morg you name it. cant stop her relentless assault of high damage auto attacks healing and poking
Brees on in
BrownBear
Profile Joined March 2010
United States6894 Posts
October 22 2010 16:46 GMT
#26123
Malphite also tends to trash Pantheon, just by virtue of having a fuckton of armor vs Pant's mostly physical damage (both of his jumps do magic damage, but his w is just a stun, and his r is easily avoidable unless you're stunlocked or retarded).
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Haemonculus
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States6980 Posts
October 22 2010 16:46 GMT
#26124
Has anyone tried the new malady on Kennen? I'm thinking he should be built more hybrid-ish these days, kinda like teemo or something.

I played a game with someone who went AD kennen and I was amazed at how well they did.
I admire your commitment to being *very* oily
ghen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1356 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-22 17:04:18
October 22 2010 17:01 GMT
#26125
On October 23 2010 00:51 IntoTheWow wrote:
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On October 23 2010 00:26 Tooplark wrote:
WHICH ISN'T TO SAY YOU CAN'T DO WELL WITH HIM
but he's much harder than some of the other "low tier champs"
He's very team dependent unless you're stupidly fed, and very reliant on your sense of timing.
On the other hand, he's an incredible jungler up to at least 1400 (when people occasionally counterjungle), he ganks very well, he actually does scale pretty well (no more 2 AP ratio on crowstorm though) and CAWCAWCAWCAWCAW.


Thanks, the "CAWCAWCAWCAWCAW" part sold it for me.

I'm going to fiddle some today.


Fiddle is by far the easiest jungler. Not best mind you, but easiest.

Hit w.
afk 10 sec
Hit w.
smite

done.

Even dragon dies that easy. lvl 3 even with full AP page and 1/14/15 masteries and only a book.

I love fiddle in the jungle. The change to his cooldowns plus blue buff means you only have 1.5-2 seconds of not draining when you do dragon. Then your first few ticks instantly bring you to full.

In team fights you are always able to drain. Drain above all else if they're targeting you because if it's an even fight you WILL survive. If they aren't targeting you, silence and fear are just godly. Silence got a cooldown buff too. <3

and buy the jack-o-lantern skin, it looks frigging fantastic in game

I think I'll play fiddle all night tonight.
Senx
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Sweden5901 Posts
October 22 2010 17:12 GMT
#26126
A new patch again? Just started dling a 300mb file wtf :O
"trash micro but win - its marine" MC commentary during HSC 4
Phrost
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States4008 Posts
October 22 2010 17:24 GMT
#26127
On October 23 2010 01:27 LoCicero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2010 00:59 Mogwai wrote:
On October 23 2010 00:56 IntoTheWow wrote:
I like Kennen. I dislike Sona, she cuts my ult. LET ME ULT IN PEACE WOMAN.

Kennen is strong as hell. Goddamn, I think I need some Locicero/Maknoon input on whether that matchup is impossible for Pantheon, because he's the only character other than Urgot (lol) who consistently rapes me sideways in lane .

He's super fun to play though, love his character design.


You are indeed correct, a well played Kennen will beat Pantheon in the lane. For every Q Panth can throw, Kennen can usually hit with his W passive, hit with its active, hit with other auto attacks (his range is suuuuper long) and possibly his Q depending on the situation.

I don't think I've run into anyone that rapes Panth as hard as Sion (in top lane) though. Panth can't break lvl 2 shield and from then on it's gg. Sion free farms while Panth gets destroyed.



Kennen is a bitch to 90% of champions in a solo lane. I've had moderate success with Morgana and Kayle by just outlasting him and not getting zoned super hard.
iamphrost.tumblr.com // http://howtobebettermagicplayer.tumblr.com // twitter @phrost_
Niton
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2395 Posts
October 22 2010 17:24 GMT
#26128
On October 23 2010 01:44 Brees wrote:
sona solo > all

ive beaten vlad, panth, morg you name it. cant stop her relentless assault of high damage auto attacks healing and poking


Sona is ridiculous because support that aren't her eat nerfs all the time, but I suspect we'll never see her fixed to both not be faceroll and not dominate while facerolling. There's no excuse to have not changed her after all with how often she's banned / how unfun she is to play against when Swain got week 2 buffs.
tree.hugger: Coming off of [(T)fantasy v. (T)Really] into [(T)Barracks v. (T)MVP] is like coming out of Manhattan into New Jersey. You just have to speed up and ignore it.
Shizuru~
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Malaysia1676 Posts
October 22 2010 17:25 GMT
#26129
On October 23 2010 00:59 Mogwai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2010 00:56 IntoTheWow wrote:
I like Kennen. I dislike Sona, she cuts my ult. LET ME ULT IN PEACE WOMAN.

Kennen is strong as hell. Goddamn, I think I need some Locicero/Maknoon input on whether that matchup is impossible for Pantheon, because he's the only character other than Urgot (lol) who consistently rapes me sideways in lane .

He's super fun to play though, love his character design.


are you sure kennen is a he?
HeadhunteR
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Argentina1258 Posts
October 22 2010 17:26 GMT
#26130
Im trying out shen and when i save people with my ulti they are amazed and really greatfull,
how many bad shens are there? In my first game my team was 16-13 and we finished 43-16 cause i saved everyones asses...
Shen got your back bro.. Very fun champ if you want to save the team and protect the carry... Our carry ended up 26-3 I saved him at least 5 times.
in The Kong line forever
Phrost
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States4008 Posts
October 22 2010 17:30 GMT
#26131
On October 23 2010 02:25 Shizuru~ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2010 00:59 Mogwai wrote:
On October 23 2010 00:56 IntoTheWow wrote:
I like Kennen. I dislike Sona, she cuts my ult. LET ME ULT IN PEACE WOMAN.

Kennen is strong as hell. Goddamn, I think I need some Locicero/Maknoon input on whether that matchup is impossible for Pantheon, because he's the only character other than Urgot (lol) who consistently rapes me sideways in lane .

He's super fun to play though, love his character design.


are you sure kennen is a he?


quoted from his lore:

Kennen was born in Bandle City and it was said that in his first living moments he bolted first from the womb and second from the midwife who delivered him. His parents had thought that he would outgrow his boundless energy, but as he matured his energy found no limits and was matched only by his unnerving speed.
iamphrost.tumblr.com // http://howtobebettermagicplayer.tumblr.com // twitter @phrost_
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
October 22 2010 17:31 GMT
#26132
won't xin zhao beat kennen? i go to lane with 810 hp at level 1 with xin. if kennen isn't running HP quints and full defensive masteries, opening d-shield (which i think a lot of kennens do), i'm going to drop my dick on his face at level 2.

and on top of that i've got like 40/40 armor/mres when i come to lane. his W is going to tickle and if i'm smart and stay behind creeps and only get hit by say 70% of his shurikens, i'll regen that up with shield+SoS+xin's imba passive. every time i get a third mark on me and i'm stunned, i'd hit Q-E and immediately counterpop kennen. in a standing fight kennen won't beat xin because of his passive i think.

\o/ i dunno i just think xin will shit on kennen. i'd love to try it tonight. spiderland, you down for some 1v1sies?
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
Senx
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Sweden5901 Posts
October 22 2010 17:32 GMT
#26133
What the hell is this bullshit patcher doing to me, a unannoucned 300 mb patch thats dling at like 90 kb/sec..

"trash micro but win - its marine" MC commentary during HSC 4
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
October 22 2010 17:35 GMT
#26134
I curbstomp Kennen, heh.
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
Phrost
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States4008 Posts
October 22 2010 17:35 GMT
#26135
On October 23 2010 02:31 gtrsrs wrote:
won't xin zhao beat kennen? i go to lane with 810 hp at level 1 with xin. if kennen isn't running HP quints and full defensive masteries, opening d-shield (which i think a lot of kennens do), i'm going to drop my dick on his face at level 2.

and on top of that i've got like 40/40 armor/mres when i come to lane. his W is going to tickle and if i'm smart and stay behind creeps and only get hit by say 70% of his shurikens, i'll regen that up with shield+SoS+xin's imba passive. every time i get a third mark on me and i'm stunned, i'd hit Q-E and immediately counterpop kennen. in a standing fight kennen won't beat xin because of his passive i think.

\o/ i dunno i just think xin will shit on kennen. i'd love to try it tonight. spiderland, you down for some 1v1sies?


A good kennen will just sit back and Q you to death while he runs away from any attempt to charge him.
iamphrost.tumblr.com // http://howtobebettermagicplayer.tumblr.com // twitter @phrost_
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-22 17:36:57
October 22 2010 17:36 GMT
#26136
On October 23 2010 02:35 Southlight wrote:
I curbstomp Kennen, heh.


You're not melee dps.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
phantem
Profile Joined September 2010
United States163 Posts
October 22 2010 17:37 GMT
#26137
at least you can patch, i'm on a campus that blocks p2p downloads so i get to wait forever on the standalone client ><
"At MLG Dallas, I got up, bitchslapped hot_bid and went back to bed."-Liquid`Jinro
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
October 22 2010 17:37 GMT
#26138
On October 23 2010 02:36 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2010 02:35 Southlight wrote:
I curbstomp Kennen, heh.


You're not melee dps.


But according to Riot...
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-22 17:39:11
October 22 2010 17:38 GMT
#26139
On October 23 2010 02:35 Phrost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2010 02:31 gtrsrs wrote:
won't xin zhao beat kennen? i go to lane with 810 hp at level 1 with xin. if kennen isn't running HP quints and full defensive masteries, opening d-shield (which i think a lot of kennens do), i'm going to drop my dick on his face at level 2.

and on top of that i've got like 40/40 armor/mres when i come to lane. his W is going to tickle and if i'm smart and stay behind creeps and only get hit by say 70% of his shurikens, i'll regen that up with shield+SoS+xin's imba passive. every time i get a third mark on me and i'm stunned, i'd hit Q-E and immediately counterpop kennen. in a standing fight kennen won't beat xin because of his passive i think.

\o/ i dunno i just think xin will shit on kennen. i'd love to try it tonight. spiderland, you down for some 1v1sies?


A good kennen will just sit back and Q you to death while he runs away from any attempt to charge him.


if kennen plays passive i'll just farm too. no one wins that lane but no one loses. i'm talking abut an aggressive matchup here. a kennen that's out to harass xin zhao will lose the war of attrition imo whoops i mean imo imo imo
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
October 22 2010 17:42 GMT
#26140
On October 23 2010 01:27 LoCicero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2010 00:59 Mogwai wrote:
On October 23 2010 00:56 IntoTheWow wrote:
I like Kennen. I dislike Sona, she cuts my ult. LET ME ULT IN PEACE WOMAN.

Kennen is strong as hell. Goddamn, I think I need some Locicero/Maknoon input on whether that matchup is impossible for Pantheon, because he's the only character other than Urgot (lol) who consistently rapes me sideways in lane .

He's super fun to play though, love his character design.


You are indeed correct, a well played Kennen will beat Pantheon in the lane. For every Q Panth can throw, Kennen can usually hit with his W passive, hit with its active, hit with other auto attacks (his range is suuuuper long) and possibly his Q depending on the situation.

I don't think I've run into anyone that rapes Panth as hard as Sion (in top lane) though. Panth can't break lvl 2 shield and from then on it's gg. Sion free farms while Panth gets destroyed.

oh true. For some reason though I haven't run into that matchup forever, lol. It's always Morg and Vlad and ranged carries and I'm just like, YES! HOORAY PANTH!

yea, the thing about the Kennen matchup is that if he positions intelligently, you can't ever land a Q without taking a shit ton more damage. And if you go for a toe to toe full burst fight, you get raped even harder because the cost you pay for disengaging Kennen is like 2 auto-attacks + Q + W passive + W active (stun) + another auto attack or two and Pantheon's just like "O_O, jesus fucking christ, I guess I'll just farm 1/2 Ken's CS with spear shot last hitting ."

Kennen's autoattack range is 575 (25 less than spear shot) so he can pretty easily do that trade + a shuriken + W whenever you try to do anything, bleh, it's just a savage beating.

On October 23 2010 01:46 BrownBear wrote:
Malphite also tends to trash Pantheon, just by virtue of having a fuckton of armor vs Pant's mostly physical damage (both of his jumps do magic damage, but his w is just a stun, and his r is easily avoidable unless you're stunlocked or retarded).

Malphite never solos. I dunno what would happen exactly but I'm at least 90% certain that Pantheon would just dictate the pace of the matchup because Spear Shot is way better than Seismic Shard for low level efficiency in terms of both CD and damage/mana.
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