what's a good way to play against bushes garen as a squishy? I got owned as annie the other night, and even though my galio lanemate was pretty goddamn useless I'm sure I played it wrong.

byFd

Germany620 Posts

October 22 2010 19:10 GMT

#26162

put a ward in the bush? or if u dont want to put one in there, avoid the bush and dont go near it :D

barbsq

United States5348 Posts

October 22 2010 19:14 GMT

#26163

dont ward the bush, thats kind of a waste imo -.-

i stand near the river entrance. As long as you're paying attention to what the enemy jungler is doing + have a ward at dragon, its not too big of a deal. Its especially good for bottom-left's team, since it has an easier way back to lane.

It also helps if you have a duo lane that can punish the shit out of garen when he shows his ugly mug. In theory, annie + galio should be able to do that, disintegrate + flamecone + tornado + lazer = shittons of burst dmg, which should make the garen back the fuck off.

Rice

United States1332 Posts

October 22 2010 19:21 GMT

#26164

whats the best heimer item build

UniversalSnip

9871 Posts

October 22 2010 19:24 GMT

#26165

galio was pretty dumb though, he wouldn't nuke except to farm... and after garen spins he wouldn't step into the bushes to give me line of sight for disint. So really couldn't rely on him. More interested in solo tactics.

If you aren't playing the lane right from the start I think it's pretty much over too, after level six he can just ghost at you and you die if you haven't been doing too well.

Mogwai

United States13274 Posts

October 22 2010 19:24 GMT

#26166

On October 23 2010 04:21 Rice wrote:
whats the best heimer item build

lots of rings (doran's spam into z-ring)

r33k

Italy3402 Posts

October 22 2010 19:25 GMT

#26167

On October 23 2010 04:21 Rice wrote:
whats the best heimer item build

Doran's ring, zhonya, boots. From then you'll be sieging or jungle trapping so your income will be extremely low.

barbsq

United States5348 Posts

October 22 2010 19:29 GMT

#26168

wat, the best heimers nowadays take advantage of imbamissile poking and have stopped doing that stupid siege crap until lategame. Dont max your turrets, and emp + missile = fantastic farming anyways. Still, get zring early, but sieging and jungle trapping are really gimmicky and arent really a fleshed out way of playing heimer.

radmax86

United States437 Posts

October 22 2010 19:31 GMT

#26169

On October 22 2010 23:42 Mogwai wrote:

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Locodoco, Redtooth and Yiruru seem to be a cut above the rest in terms of skill. Then it's probably Brees and Southlight and then there's a big clusterfuck of comparably skilled players afterwards imoimoimoimoimo.

locodoco
aaerox

... gap ...

uta (plays a few heroes very well)
Neo (can play a lot of heroes consistently, but never makes me go "wow!")

... gap ...

after that there is a clusterfuck that includes me, turkey, smash, ezpz, soner, chrispy, morzas, 5hit, red, and probably 2-3 others i'm forgetting.

I haven't played with brees, wra, spudboy or yiruru in a long time, so I'm not completely sure where they stand at this point. For some reason I feel like brees is a has-been has more trolling ability than actual skill. Wra was good 6 months ago but he rarely plays now and was only good at one hero, I doubt he could separate himself from the clusterfuck pack at this point. Spud probably belongs with the uta/neo group based on his stats/reputation, and Yiruru quit, so I don't really care about him.

spinesheath

Germany8679 Posts

October 22 2010 19:47 GMT

#26170

I like Ring > Cata > Zhonyas > RoA on Heimer. Boots after NLR or Zhonyas. I just prefer to have more regen and health.

Mogwai

United States13274 Posts

October 22 2010 19:52 GMT

#26171

or you could do the super pro 5 archangel's + zhonya's Heimer build. I hear that's good.

Haemonculus

United States6980 Posts

October 22 2010 19:52 GMT

#26172

#1 manner malzahar right here kekekeke

HazMat

United States17077 Posts

October 22 2010 20:00 GMT

#26173

On October 23 2010 04:31 radmax86 wrote:

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locodoco
aaerox

... gap ...

uta (plays a few heroes very well)
Neo (can play a lot of heroes consistently, but never makes me go "wow!")

... gap ...

after that there is a clusterfuck that includes me, turkey, smash, ezpz, soner, chrispy, morzas, 5hit, red, and probably 2-3 others i'm forgetting.
I haven't played with brees, wra, spudboy or yiruru in a long time, so I'm not completely sure where they stand at this point. For some reason I feel like brees is a has-been has more trolling ability than actual skill. Wra was good 6 months ago but he rarely plays now and was only good at one hero, I doubt he could separate himself from the clusterfuck pack at this point. Spud probably belongs with the uta/neo group based on his stats/reputation, and Yiruru quit, so I don't really care about him.

Disagree with the bolds. Dunno who Morzas is so I can't say. Aaerox is really good but not on a total new lvl from neo/uta.
No offense to people, not that it really matters though lol.

Mogwai

United States13274 Posts

October 22 2010 20:10 GMT

#26174

From my experience the only real thing that distinguishes Aaerox and Neo from the clusterfuck of good TLers is that they have quite a bit of character diversity. Whereas many of the rest of us are 1 trick ponies (either 1 specific character or 1 specific role), they seem to be able to contribute solid games regardless of character choice. They just don't have games that wow me on the level of a good Loco/Redtooth/Spud/Yiruru/Brees/Utah game, though to be fair I haven't seen Brees in awhile so I'm not sure if he's rusting at all... His style just seems to just revolve around very good game sense and character diversity though, which is why he's such a successful troll, so I'm having a hard time believing that not tryharding would actually have much impact on his abilities.

HazMat

United States17077 Posts

October 22 2010 20:14 GMT

#26175

Sadly I've never got to play a game with Brees

red_

United States8474 Posts

October 22 2010 20:17 GMT

#26176

All that matters is Shake/Turkey/Red #1 TT Troll Squad.

Mogwai

United States13274 Posts

October 22 2010 20:18 GMT

#26177

My most distinct memories of Brees are when he first decided he would try playing with Baikin, Utah, Turkey and I and basically completely shattered our impression that we were any good by carrying us game after game with seemingly random characters that we thought were mediocre at the time (I remember we were all shocked when his heimer was tearing the other team a new asshole, this was way back in the day).