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On October 07 2010 23:05 myopia wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2010 21:19 spinesheath wrote:On October 07 2010 21:15 -Kato- wrote:
If I'm getting non-ranked queued with guys with 500, 600, even 1000+ wins, while being lvl 28 159 wins 140 losses:
Does it mean I'm good or they're bad?
Or does it mean anything at all? It probably doesn't mean anything. Maybe that you are "more talented" because you got to the same level in much shorter time. ehhh that's not how elo works. If they've got a similar w/l ratio it doesn't really matter how many total games they've played. i.e. it doesn't say much about your goodness or their badness, but that you're considered to be of equal skill.
he's talking about unranked games. AFAIK, only levels are taken into account for normal games?
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There is a hidden ELO for normal games.
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On October 07 2010 21:15 -Kato- wrote:
If I'm getting non-ranked queued with guys with 500, 600, even 1000+ wins, while being lvl 28 159 wins 140 losses:
Does it mean I'm good or they're bad?
Or does it mean anything at all?
There are tons of horrible players with lots of wins, it could mean anything.
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On October 07 2010 23:51 Southlight wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2010 21:15 -Kato- wrote:
If I'm getting non-ranked queued with guys with 500, 600, even 1000+ wins, while being lvl 28 159 wins 140 losses:
Does it mean I'm good or they're bad?
Or does it mean anything at all? There are tons of horrible players with lots of wins, it could mean anything.
many wins in unranked are won because it was a 5v4... many of the losses also occur because of this as well...
until you have played at least 100 games in ranked you cant really evaluate your skill, and maybe not even then... in my opinion you cant consider yourself a good player until you have a good winrate with more than 300 games played.
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Marshall Islands3404 Posts
build team of anti-mages
take 5 exhausts
???
Prophet muhammad!
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Yeah so anyone wanting to purchase swain: don't yet.
Riot was too conservative with his base damage and scaling that even when you factor in his boost from torment he doesn't do enough damage to warrant a champion slot on any team.
Malzahar does a better job at killing 1 person, Janna does a lot better job of ccing
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On October 08 2010 00:04 HeadhunteR wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2010 23:51 Southlight wrote:On October 07 2010 21:15 -Kato- wrote:
If I'm getting non-ranked queued with guys with 500, 600, even 1000+ wins, while being lvl 28 159 wins 140 losses:
Does it mean I'm good or they're bad?
Or does it mean anything at all? There are tons of horrible players with lots of wins, it could mean anything. many wins in unranked are won because it was a 5v4... many of the losses also occur because of this as well... until you have played at least 100 games in ranked you cant really evaluate your skill, and maybe not even then... in my opinion you cant consider yourself a good player until you have a good winrate with more than 300 games played.
I'm just flatly saying it doesn't matter. One of the top-tier players for a while wasn't level 30 for a long time (SwooZee), and on the other hand there're hundreds of people with 1000+ wins that really blow. Win count means nothing. Especially in normal queue - it's like practice game for me.
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win count means nothing. until you have the lose count as well. then again people still have friends and get carried.
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On October 08 2010 00:06 Brees wrote:
build team of anti-mages
take 5 exhausts
???
Prophet muhammad!
Already happened to me all day today...
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On October 07 2010 23:05 myopia wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2010 21:19 spinesheath wrote:On October 07 2010 21:15 -Kato- wrote:
If I'm getting non-ranked queued with guys with 500, 600, even 1000+ wins, while being lvl 28 159 wins 140 losses:
Does it mean I'm good or they're bad?
Or does it mean anything at all? It probably doesn't mean anything. Maybe that you are "more talented" because you got to the same level in much shorter time. ehhh that's not how elo works. If they've got a similar w/l ratio it doesn't really matter how many total games they've played. i.e. it doesn't say much about your goodness or their badness, but that you're considered to be of equal skill.
Even w/l ratio doesn't matter, if you win a lot against terrible players and lose against good ones you will have a mediocre Elo. I'm around 1600 or so in normal queue afaik and I'm nearly +100 wins.
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I love how the end result of a system implemented by Riot is exactly the same as the one implemented by HoN:
Win's don't matter.
Losses don't matter.
Leaves don't matter.
W:L doesn't matter.
ELO/PSR doesn't matter.
There really is no way to evaluate individual skill or any recognized way to evaluate team skill in a game that's dominated by flawed team-based mechanics.
It makes me smile with pride when I consider I'm probably the only person to have figured out a way to "fix" all of these things. Go me.
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On October 08 2010 00:44 Jazriel wrote:
I love how the end result of a system implemented by Riot is exactly the same as the one implemented by HoN:
Win's don't matter.
Losses don't matter.
Leaves don't matter.
W:L doesn't matter.
ELO/PSR doesn't matter.
There really is no way to evaluate individual skill or any recognized way to evaluate team skill in a game that's dominated by flawed team-based mechanics.
It makes me smile with pride when I consider I'm probably the only person to have figured out a way to "fix" all of these things. Go me.
And what would that be?
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On October 08 2010 01:26 cascades wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2010 00:44 Jazriel wrote:
I love how the end result of a system implemented by Riot is exactly the same as the one implemented by HoN:
Win's don't matter.
Losses don't matter.
Leaves don't matter.
W:L doesn't matter.
ELO/PSR doesn't matter.
There really is no way to evaluate individual skill or any recognized way to evaluate team skill in a game that's dominated by flawed team-based mechanics.
It makes me smile with pride when I consider I'm probably the only person to have figured out a way to "fix" all of these things. Go me. And what would that be?
Not playing ranked games at all.
Ziiiing!
Sorry couldn't resist >_>
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what we need is a new tier 3 item built from tiamat and malady: the Battlescurvy.
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nahh
make it
tiamat + malady + philo stone = trinity fail
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Heart of Gold + Kage's Lucky Pick + Avarice Blade = Yiruru's Greedy Soul
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I'm basically a wannabe game designer who's actually really really good at game design. I've created a system that essentially "perfectly balances" MOBA's, both for solo Q and team-based play.
I'm also not retarded enough to use a rating system for an individual (ELO/PSR) for a team-based game.
However I'm not going to go in to detail because then everyone who thinks they know anything about game design will think they can critique a rough synopsis over the internet, and it's generally just a waste of time.
Pretty much, if I became head of Riot and people actually listened to wtf I would say, LoL would become one of the best games there is. No more random rage or losing to leavers/feeders etc.
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On October 08 2010 01:43 byFd wrote:
nahh
make it
tiamat + malady + philo stone = trinity fail
I want this item to troll with O_O
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ahahhahaha at Jazriel.
That is just like one of the funniest posts I think I've ever read on TL.
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On October 08 2010 01:48 Jazriel wrote:I'm basically a wannabe game designer who's actually really really good at game design. I've created a system that essentially "perfectly balances" MOBA's, both for solo Q and team-based play. I'm also not retarded enough to use a rating system for an individual (ELO/PSR) for a team-based game. However I'm not going to go in to detail because then everyone who thinks they know anything about game design will think they can critique a rough synopsis over the internet, and it's generally just a waste of time. Pretty much, if I became head of Riot and people actually listened to wtf I would say, LoL would become one of the best games there is. No more random rage or losing to leavers/feeders etc.
I know exactly how to fix the trouble between Israel and Palestine, but if I know if I try to cover it in detail online I'll just get flamed and no one will really understand.
However, if I was president of the world and everyone listened to me then I assure you that within no time Peace in the Middle East would be declared.
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