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shawster
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada2485 Posts
September 27 2010 05:08 GMT
#20441
streaming atm probably will just play 1 game tonight kinda tired,

www.livestream.com/shawz expect my procaster to be gay and die alot
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
September 27 2010 05:13 GMT
#20442
lol, now that I think about it I probably shoulda streamed/recorded all the 5-mans we did this weekend, despite the epic fail 4-game losing streak I haven't played marathon like that in forever :x
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-27 06:06:22
September 27 2010 05:25 GMT
#20443
On September 27 2010 12:58 Kaneh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2010 12:32 TheYango wrote:
On September 27 2010 12:23 Kaneh wrote:
holy shit taric/sona. i think it's a lamer lane than anything else. also ridiculously powerful teamfights. like in a why they nerfed rally so hard kinda way. and neither of them need items. Like, there's nothing they can't do together. it's a whole team's worth of abilities in 2 champions.

Lamer than Taric/Garen?

At the very least I don't see Sona having enough burst damage to make use of Taric's stun-that-lasts-forever.



you get less kills on facecheckers, but Sona has much, much better harass/poke. And once you get her ult, you autowin the lane. the range on that is pretty redic. the range on all her stuff is pretty redic.

I dunno, it just feels like on paper Sona doesn't benefit a whole lot from having Taric in lane, compared to other champs. Their healing is redundant, Shatter's active only benefits her auto-attacks (compared to Garen, where it's like a 20% damage buff to everything not called Demacian Justice), and she has no skillshots or positioning-based skills like Garen or Morgana that get major benefits from having the 2 second stun to set up.

Taric/Sona isn't going to be a bad lane, but as far as being a pair, it seems like they're going to be way more redundant than pairing one of them in another lane. Sure they'll be an unkillable pushing monster lane, but it seems like they could make more efficient use of their abilities in separate lanes than together. I know you obviously don't work out to just getting the heroes you want in ranked games, but really, I don't think Taric/Sona is that much better than similar lanes involving powerful heroes. You put 2 strong laners in a lane and, big surprise, you have a strong lane.

Maybe I'm just talking out of my ass, like I usually am.
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Brees
Profile Joined January 2010
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
September 27 2010 06:09 GMT
#20444
On September 27 2010 14:25 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2010 12:58 Kaneh wrote:
On September 27 2010 12:32 TheYango wrote:
On September 27 2010 12:23 Kaneh wrote:
holy shit taric/sona. i think it's a lamer lane than anything else. also ridiculously powerful teamfights. like in a why they nerfed rally so hard kinda way. and neither of them need items. Like, there's nothing they can't do together. it's a whole team's worth of abilities in 2 champions.

Lamer than Taric/Garen?

At the very least I don't see Sona having enough burst damage to make use of Taric's stun-that-lasts-forever.



you get less kills on facecheckers, but Sona has much, much better harass/poke. And once you get her ult, you autowin the lane. the range on that is pretty redic. the range on all her stuff is pretty redic.

I dunno, it just feels like on paper Sona doesn't benefit a whole lot from having Taric in lane, compared to other champs. Their healing is redundant, Shatter's active only benefits her auto-attacks (compared to Garen, where it's like a 20% damage buff to everything not called Demacian Justice), and she has no skillshots or positioning-based skills like Garen or Morgana that get major benefits from having the 2 second stun to set up.

Taric/Sona isn't going to be a bad lane, but as far as being a pair, it seems like they're going to be way more redundant than pairing one of them in another lane. Sure they'll be an unkillable pushing monster lane, but it seems like they could make more efficient use of their abilities in separate lanes than together. I know you obviously don't work out to just getting the heroes you want in ranked games, but really, I don't think Taric/Sona is that much better than similar lanes involving powerful heroes. You put 2 strong laners in a lane and, big surprise, you have a strong lane.

Maybe I'm just talking out of my ass, like I usually am.


well you wouldnt be splitting them in ranked unless taric or sona was soloing. although sona is a great solo
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kdgns
Profile Joined May 2009
United States2427 Posts
September 27 2010 06:50 GMT
#20445
On September 27 2010 15:09 Brees wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2010 14:25 TheYango wrote:
On September 27 2010 12:58 Kaneh wrote:
On September 27 2010 12:32 TheYango wrote:
On September 27 2010 12:23 Kaneh wrote:
holy shit taric/sona. i think it's a lamer lane than anything else. also ridiculously powerful teamfights. like in a why they nerfed rally so hard kinda way. and neither of them need items. Like, there's nothing they can't do together. it's a whole team's worth of abilities in 2 champions.

Lamer than Taric/Garen?

At the very least I don't see Sona having enough burst damage to make use of Taric's stun-that-lasts-forever.



you get less kills on facecheckers, but Sona has much, much better harass/poke. And once you get her ult, you autowin the lane. the range on that is pretty redic. the range on all her stuff is pretty redic.

I dunno, it just feels like on paper Sona doesn't benefit a whole lot from having Taric in lane, compared to other champs. Their healing is redundant, Shatter's active only benefits her auto-attacks (compared to Garen, where it's like a 20% damage buff to everything not called Demacian Justice), and she has no skillshots or positioning-based skills like Garen or Morgana that get major benefits from having the 2 second stun to set up.

Taric/Sona isn't going to be a bad lane, but as far as being a pair, it seems like they're going to be way more redundant than pairing one of them in another lane. Sure they'll be an unkillable pushing monster lane, but it seems like they could make more efficient use of their abilities in separate lanes than together. I know you obviously don't work out to just getting the heroes you want in ranked games, but really, I don't think Taric/Sona is that much better than similar lanes involving powerful heroes. You put 2 strong laners in a lane and, big surprise, you have a strong lane.

Maybe I'm just talking out of my ass, like I usually am.


well you wouldnt be splitting them in ranked unless taric or sona was soloing. although
sona is a great solo


Way I see it, with taric and sona on a team, taric+garen/morgana in a side lane, sona solo, then someone takes a 2v1 lane with a jungler to gank. A fast sona ult can set up so well with a jungler ganking, and taric garen/morgana can push down a lane so fast. Main point would be the taric duo lane, faster they push down first tower, faster game transitions to a ganking phase which is quite beneficial.
Ota Solgryn
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Denmark2011 Posts
September 27 2010 08:16 GMT
#20446
I am playing around with Evelynn. But I need some sort of basic guide for her. Becaues I've seen people own with her, even at elo 1500, and I just find her pretty funny as a hero.

Anyone knows a good guide for her?
ihasaKAROT: "Wish people would stop wasting their lives on finding flaws in others"
BlueBird.
Profile Joined August 2008
United States3890 Posts
September 27 2010 09:11 GMT
#20447
On September 27 2010 17:16 Ota Solgryn wrote:
I am playing around with Evelynn. But I need some sort of basic guide for her. Becaues I've seen people own with her, even at elo 1500, and I just find her pretty funny as a hero.

Anyone knows a good guide for her?


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=129727&currentpage=929#18579

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ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
September 27 2010 11:04 GMT
#20448
Spikard is a bad player and tends to feed, make excuses and afk mid game standing at our second tower level 4 15 minutes in to shit talk me after he lost the 2v1 lane to zilean/trynd at level 2. I just left that game, I have better things to do than to yell at him to fucking move and waste my time trying to save a game someone is intentionally throwing.

My apologies to whoever was in that game, but I'm not gonna sit there and yell at a feeder to move while he takes 6 years to type a sentence to me.

In related news, get carried:
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Pikachusc2
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada91 Posts
September 27 2010 11:52 GMT
#20449
Whats locusts profile. i want to look him up.
Losing is learning. winning is teaching
Logrus
Profile Joined September 2010
United States228 Posts
September 27 2010 12:54 GMT
#20450
wow where to even start Mr. 5hit.

First off thanks for exemplifying the TL standard of fine quality posts and upstanding community. Attempting to call me out on the intarweb forumz shows your maturity. Hey, you know, I was irate after the game you left as well but the team chatted a bit cuz we were all a bit pissed but normally calling people out is bad form. I said there was really no need for me to pick a fight on a website unless you pulled some 13year old nonsense and started crying. Then I laughed and said that considering your behavior in the game I wouldn't be super surprised though if you did, and OH LOOK here we are now. So I shall respond to you again despite it probably being a futile effort. This is my 3rd post here on TL so I'm not gunna just write a few sentences.

I think you forgot the part where everyone on the team knew it was, what, my 3rd game as Sona whom i had bought bout 2 hours ago? That I explicitly said i just wanna mass some normal games as sona and practice her a bit. Also I think you forgot the part where you said normal non ranked cue is not that serious. OH I think you also forgot the part where the only reason I was attempting to 1v2 a lane after saying hey i think i better not was because you wanted to jungle just oohhh so bad. I'm sorry i tried to help you enjoy your experience more and totally ignored my own.

I know at level 2 when i have 1pt in my only attack and a meki pendant (didn't know i was gunna be the lucky guy you 'picked' to be solo lane) and 1 pt in my (small) heal, both with a (shared) 7 second cooldown, "just spam ur heal and hug the tower" is a really effective strat. Thanks for telling me that one. I know when i said, hey the tower is getting pushed i have no way to quickly clear the minions and then zilean and trynd get free shots on me.... well that's not valid obviously. Against my better judgment i try to listen to you so you can go on jungling ur little heart out and i stay at the tower smashing my face into the w key but amazingly it doesn't make my cooldowns come up any faster. No not vs bomb rewind bomb + trynd crits to my face + another bomb either.

So now its like 5 mins into the game and although i have asked for a lane switch a few times you'd rather just cry and cry about how op sona is at 2v1 a lane and how now u can't jungle wah wah wah. Suffice it to say I'm surprised and forced into a position of attempting to respond to you, my teamate. Despite my attempt to speak to you in full complete sentences you continue to act like some 13 year old troll. As we all know acting like an arrogant prick and bashing your team is a winning strat in any cooperative venture. But you're a pro so you knew that. Getting back to the things you forgot lets add that it was in fact I that asked you first to drop this and lets stop typing cuz i want to play not have a stupid conversation etc etc.

Now I'm tower hugging (what you recommended initially) cuz i'm under leveled and you're still typing away so, hey, guess what, i start typing back to you yet again, which i think was really the stupidest thing i did, responding to your idiocy. Of course the moment i stop moving for more than 5 seconds you start yelling about afk and how you're gunna leave... maybe in your imagination I was 'intentionally throwing' the game but back in the real world after YOU LEFT the rest of the team agreed that I was not being unreasonable and that you made a big deal over nothing. Considering again that I was only attempting to 1v2 the lane with a new champ in a normal game cuz you wanted to jungle, and that you just gained 'leaver' +1, I'm sorry, who is intentionally throwing the game?

Also re: your pic up there, of my 2nd game ever as Sona (somehow managed to not play vs her at all for the few days till i just bought her 3 games ago tonight,) shows me following around one of the two carries on the team and feeding them chain heals and speed buffs, armor and attack damage, and getting focused down a lot. Personally I liked when their mf started to ult while kass was about to port over to our clump of guys at 30% during a teamfight, but then I ulted them to interrupt their mf's ult and lock them in place so they couldn't chase, then healed us and sped us up while our mf started up her ult to counter. I'll remember that for a while it was cool. Thanks for the pic.

Seriously? Grats on massing more games of LoL and posts on TL. Thanks for encouraging me to be a more active member of the community. Really I mean that. I truly honestly was gunna come post that I got to play a few games with you and that at one point during them you gave me the great advice, "you should post on the forums more." Thanks for telling all of the LoL playing community on TL all about your first experience with me and leaving out everything but the part that makes you look like some whiny escrub tryhard. Thanks for giving me more reasons to post and not just read on this wonderful website: I hope this post has been helpful to anyone in the future that might want to play a casual game with you and decides not to. Thanks for making my in game ignore list now +1. Finally, thanks for giving me enough edrama to fill the time while I wait for my ramen water to boil. mmmm ramen.
"Down, down into the pile, into the great slag heap, window onto the ends of time and space, where nothing is to be seen at the end, I went, between walls forever afire, never burnt down..." -Merlin, Prince of Chaos
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
September 27 2010 13:00 GMT
#20451
^^
Sooooo, how about that new champ huh? Sure looks all new an stuff except not really at all
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
Jazriel
Profile Joined April 2008
Canada404 Posts
September 27 2010 13:04 GMT
#20452
On September 27 2010 21:54 Logrus wrote:
wow where to even start Mr. 5hit.

First off thanks for exemplifying the TL standard of fine quality posts and upstanding community. Attempting to call me out on the intarweb forumz shows your maturity. Hey, you know, I was irate after the game you left as well but the team chatted a bit cuz we were all a bit pissed but normally calling people out is bad form. I said there was really no need for me to pick a fight on a website unless you pulled some 13year old nonsense and started crying. Then I laughed and said that considering your behavior in the game I wouldn't be super surprised though if you did, and OH LOOK here we are now. So I shall respond to you again despite it probably being a futile effort.



On September 27 2010 21:54 Logrus wrote:
So I shall respond to you again despite it probably being a futile effort.



On September 27 2010 21:54 Logrus wrote:
I said there was really no need for me to pick a fight on a website unless you pulled some 13year old nonsense and started crying.



I'm so tempted to post this to point out your glaring contradiction. Hmm, how to tie this to LoL in a meaningful way. Ah, here's an idea: Even recognized names can have the maturity of children, same with randoms.

Isn't the internet fun? Having no accountability for your actions means you can do anything and feel secure in doing so.
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Rice
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States1332 Posts
September 27 2010 13:08 GMT
#20453
just be glad you didnt play with soloside, he whines and rages the entire game regardless of whether hes winning or losing then he calls it "trolling"
Freedom will be defended at the cost of civil liberties.
Kexx
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany240 Posts
September 27 2010 13:34 GMT
#20454
quit getting mad at video games, both of you. Especially LoL, it's just a casual dota clone, nothing to get upset about.
chooooch
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
September 27 2010 13:42 GMT
#20455
Drop it, both of us.
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
cascades
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Singapore6122 Posts
September 27 2010 13:45 GMT
#20456
There really isn't a need to call people out 5hit. Especially premading with TL, people's standards are very different. Especially since Logrus here was new to Sona. I got carried before, I carried others before. I have also fed before, for example, in shawz' game. I played really really bad that game, much worse than Logrus did in our game; he didn't call me out on it and bitch about it ingame, much less bring it to the forums. That is the maturity we should all be striving towards.
HS: cascades#1595 || LoL: stoppin
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
September 27 2010 13:53 GMT
#20457
Stoppin carries too hard with tristana
he gets kills so fast I can't even ks
soooo brave
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
Senx
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Sweden5901 Posts
September 27 2010 13:56 GMT
#20458
the whole dota-genre seems to attract alot of immature kids for sure Although i'll say I had a worse experience in hon than in LoL

Its a shame a really, I don't know why this particular genre attracts so many douchebags...its like some hybrid between the mmo crowd and the rts/fps crowd, not a good mix.
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gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-27 14:14:22
September 27 2010 14:10 GMT
#20459
On September 27 2010 22:56 Senx wrote:
the whole dota-genre seems to attract alot of immature kids for sure Although i'll say I had a worse experience in hon than in LoL

Its a shame a really, I don't know why this particular genre attracts so many douchebags...its like some hybrid between the mmo crowd and the rts/fps crowd, not a good mix.


I dunno I think it's pretty simple
people tend to remember their good games better than their bad games and likewise remember othe peoples bad games better

so in game, everyone thinks they can carry no matter what, cause of that on game where they went 15-0 with Janna. So no matter what they do is helpful in their eyes. If they're ksing left and right then theyre earning kills; if they're 5-10 then they're getting focused first, THATS THEIR JOB, and when they're 0-10 ITS NOT ALL ABOUT NUMBERS NOOOOOOB L2PLAY

everyone knows that 1 feeder ruins a game, and no one wants to be the only guy out of 10 players that's killing the game so it's easier to deflect

it's very psychological


Playing at the 700 level showed this pretty well. Someone picks trynd first pick and the whole team bitches, so he replies DONT WORRY IM PRO. when I ask why they're at 700 elo it's always the same: NOOBS AND FEEDERS, never their fault. If I gave up first blood I'm marked as a noob for the rest of the game, and any constructive advice I give is ignored, even if I end up 8-1-10
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
ghen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1356 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-27 14:16:48
September 27 2010 14:15 GMT
#20460
I try to play the game as if tl.net moderators were looking over my shoulder. I don't succeed all the time, but it's worth the effort.

Keeps me from saying a lot of things that I would later regret.

Also irritates my teammates when I tell them not to troll so hard
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