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UniversalSnip
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deth2munkies
United States4051 Posts
On September 26 2010 02:06 Jupiter.sKy wrote: why does shen need reworking and what are these bug fixes you speak of? considering that shen is already a very viable tank, I doubt he'd get any buffs that might push him into the op zone Not really. His taunt isn't near as good as Rammus's taunt, Amumu's ult, etc, and Feint is worthless later in the game. Add to that his ult being nerfed and the fact he does no damage whatsoever apart from the unreliable Ki Strike (it always comes up at the worst possible times for me), he pales in comparison as a tank to nearly every other one (including Alistair). His only use is on gimmicky global ult teams that run Shen/Karthus/TF/Soraka/Ashe | ||
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
On September 26 2010 02:14 deth2munkies wrote: Not really. His taunt isn't near as good as Rammus's taunt, Amumu's ult, etc, and Feint is worthless later in the game. Add to that his ult being nerfed and the fact he does no damage whatsoever apart from the unreliable Ki Strike (it always comes up at the worst possible times for me), he pales in comparison as a tank to nearly every other one (including Alistair). His only use is on gimmicky global ult teams that run Shen/Karthus/TF/Soraka/Ashe so sad, really. He used to be numbah wun tank back in the day when his shield was insane | ||
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myopia
United States2928 Posts
Vorpal blade and feint need reworking, his skills in general cost too much energy, and Ki Strike needs a different CD mechanism. I think something like a 6 second CD, and whenever Shen attacks/uses a skill/gets attacked it reduces the CD by 1 second, would be good. People keep banning him because they're dumb. | ||
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rredtooth
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Phrost
United States4008 Posts
If anyone knows a program that works with the newest SKN files let me know. | ||
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myopia
United States2928 Posts
On September 26 2010 02:24 redtooth wrote: shen's not viable? news to me. yeah viable isn't the right word, he's still useable. He's just not good at much of anything, and there's 5-10 other champs that can tank better than he can. | ||
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Brees
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
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Bearded Elder29904 Posts
On September 26 2010 02:29 myopia wrote: yeah viable isn't the right word, he's still useable. He's just not good at much of anything, and there's 5-10 other champs that can tank better than he can. List me better tanks other than Shen. At least 5, gogog. | ||
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
:o edit: i probably should put my personal stance on this. I certainly wouldnt be upset if there was a shen on my team, but really like seeing the above 5. o, i such a scrub, how did i forget amumu >.< | ||
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myopia
United States2928 Posts
On September 26 2010 02:33 Crucifix wrote: List me better tanks other than Shen. At least 5, gogog. Alistair / Amumu / Galio / Nasus / Rammus / Singed / Taric / Udyr Shen is better than these in some areas, but when it comes to teamfights where dealing damage / disabling is just as/more important than absorbing damage, I'd rather have any of these guys on my team. again, I don't HATE Shen. I still play him. I just want to see him reworked/buffed a bit. | ||
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Jupiter.sKy
United States50 Posts
shen's taunt is vastly superior to rammus' considering how it taunts multiple targets in addition to it being a skill shot allows you traverse terrain. The nerf on his ulti is barely consequential considering how the damage shield on yourself is largely irrelevant while the shield on your carry matters. Shen's ulti allows him to protect the carry and be in a team fight while solo farming another lane. Feint is underestimated as a pure damage shield and is effectively a self-heal on a tank. Its certainly not worthless late game. Shen's damage is enough that he is still at threat to the carries and support of the other team, if you think he does no damage, your after the wrong targets. In addition, shen is a very viable jungler making him a solid pick on many teams. If we compare shen to amumu, yes amumu's ult better makes him but that doesn't mean shen can't compete. Shen is much better than other tanky heros who you can basically ignore after a fight starts. Alistar is a complete trash tank who's whole purpose is a single target janna ulti and becomes completely irrelevant after you've used your skill set. tl:dr shen IS a very viable tank who is high up in tier lists and frequently pick in high elo matches. there is really no need to buff him | ||
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Phrost
United States4008 Posts
The biggest thing about shen is he cant just run in and take an entire team's worth of dps at once without dying. He is not very tough but can be very effective if he can create a favorable situation that causes enemies to run. | ||
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rredtooth
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myopia
United States2928 Posts
On September 26 2010 02:41 Jupiter.sKy wrote: are you kidding? shen's taunt is vastly superior to rammus' considering how it taunts multiple targets in addition to it being a skill shot allows you traverse terrain. I agree here The nerf on his ulti is barely consequential considering how the damage shield on yourself is largely irrelevant while the shield on your carry matters. Shen's ulti allows him to protect the carry and be in a team fight while solo farming another lane. I sorta agree here. Shen's ult is cool, my beef with it is that it's not nearly as useful of an ult in teamfights. Oh, you gave your squishy another 600 hp? Well Amumu/Galio/Rammus just killed your whole team anyways. Feint is underestimated as a pure damage shield and is effectively a self-heal on a tank. Its certainly not worthless late game. It got a buff recently but it's still meh with its energy cost and cooldown. I'd rather have Alistair healing the whole team or Amumu killing the whole enemy team, than a Shen giving himself a temp HP boost (which by using too often will leave him without energy to shadow dash) Shen's damage is enough that he is still at threat to the carries and support of the other team, if you think he does no damage, your after the wrong targets. He does no damage without sunfires. Anyone can buy sunfires. In addition, shen is a very viable jungler making him a solid pick on many teams. Shen is an awful jungler. Yes, he can jungle, but he's slow and can't gank. If we compare shen to amumu, yes amumu's ult better makes him but that doesn't mean shen can't compete. Shen is much better than other tanky heros who you can basically ignore after a fight starts. Alistar is a complete trash tank who's whole purpose is a single target janna ulti and becomes completely irrelevant after you've used your skill set. You can't ignore any of the tanks I listed. They do too much damage. Alistair has two disables to Shen's one, I'll take a good Alistair on my team anytime. | ||
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
On September 26 2010 02:51 redtooth wrote: galio fucking sucks in 95% of team comps. he doesn't have it in him to taunt 5 enemies and just ends up exploding. definitely not better than shen. i like galio :'( then again, i like all the heroes, so that kinda makes that opinion pointless.. fuck it, im going to sleep edit: btw this thread is amusing if you like watching community flamewars lol http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=263583 | ||
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Lobotomy
United States300 Posts
http://www.livestream.com/technikalsassortedgaming 1400 SOLO Q, playing numerous characters, I'm a decent player, maybe you can learn a few things, maybe I can learn from you Stop on by | ||
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Iplaythings
Denmark9110 Posts
Thanks bro' :D | ||
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yazu
United States255 Posts
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Jupiter.sKy
United States50 Posts
On September 26 2010 02:52 myopia wrote: I sorta agree here. Shen's ult is cool, my beef with it is that it's not nearly as useful of an ult in teamfights. Oh, you gave your squishy another 600 hp? Well Amumu/Galio/Rammus just killed your whole team anyways. Excuse me, but the tank doesn't kill a whole team, the carry does. In addition, Alistar's heal is barely worth it as the heal amount has been nerfed for everyone but yourself. As for damage, a tank is never meant to kill a whole team unless your playing some crazy pub-stomp game. Alistar's damage is negligible, galio's damage is easily avoided and low. Udyr is good for his constant CC, not his damage. Rammus never really does damage unless he rolls up and taunts your carry without ever being cc'd. Taric is more of a beefy support champ than a real tank and his only damage comes from his aura he gives his carry. Only nasus and singed can dish out large amounts of damage and they need to be farmed beyond belief for that to happen. If any of these tanks are killing your whole team, your just clumping way too tightly or are plain out of position. Shen an awful jungler? He levels at the same rate as your duo lane which means he's a decent jungler with good map control. As for ganking, he has a skill shot CC, don't know what else you'd need to gank a lane. As for having an alistar on your team, you have the option of using alistar's cc to initiate and give the opposing team time to get back into position before the fight starts or to use it on some1 you can reach (probably the tank) in the middle of a team fight. Initiating with a punt back is decently effective, but considering how flash/ghost is used so often in competitive games, you need to follow up with another CC or you've just wasted your long CD skills and allowed the other team to get into position. Use your CC on the other team's tank and you've successfully initiated for them. Using your knock back on the carry will either put you extremely out of position and killed or make your carry vulnerable to the rest of their team. | ||
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