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Darkchylde
United States473 Posts
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
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Bearded Elder29905 Posts
Shen is still top3 imo. | ||
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ghen
United States1356 Posts
Everyone please join the channel LiquidParty it requires perfect capitalization and no funny business with unicode. Once you join, hit the gear icon in the upper right of the chat window and auto-join it. It's time to stop fragmenting the community! Tell your friends. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
Phys DPS Shen; he went 9/0/9 while I was playing Amumu (I went something like 7/2/13). Most people talking about how underwhelming Shen is I would have agreed with them before last night. I have never seen a Shen played so well...he was ganking like a pro, popping his ult to save people in need...he was exactly where he needed to be at just the right time. The taunt and Ult provide unparalleled map control. | ||
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
On September 26 2010 03:28 Crucifix wrote: Listing Alistar/Pantheon (WTF)/Gallio/Nasus/Singed/Taric over Shen is purely retarded :} Alistar does not ANYTHING, except some lucky knock/headbutt, Nasus/Taric are not tanks at all, Singed is so-so. Shen is still top3 imo. yeah that was my fault, sleep deprivation means that panth global ult = shen global ult and makes them related. | ||
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
That is all | ||
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
On September 26 2010 02:51 redtooth wrote: galio fucking sucks in 95% of team comps. he doesn't have it in him to taunt 5 enemies and just ends up exploding. definitely not better than shen. amumu fucking sucks in 95% of team comps. he doesn't have it in him to ult 5 enemies and just ends up exploding. definitely not better than shen. Translation: I haven't played with a competent galio. There are certain arguments that you can make, such as that he has some bad laning matchups (given that he requires a solo lane) like Vlad, but saying he can't actually tank his own ult is retarded. His ult is almost as ridiculous as Amumu's (slightly smaller range and the taunt is less effective than the root, but his trades that off for crazy damage, piled on especially if he takes Thornmail) and he lacks the actual positioning skill (Flash vs toss), but he farms so fast that right now he's the only tank in the game that farms fast and outputs huge burst damage while also having a nifty support spell (Bulwark on carry). Trying to argue that Shen is a better damage absorber and even taunter is laughable, and makes me wonder if you're being sarcastic, because that's mind-bogglingly stupid of a declaration, and if it were anyone else I'd have ignored the post and chalked it up to inexperience. If you honestly believe that Feint > Galio's ridiculous farming advantage over Shen you need to take a good look at yourself. I don't like Shen, and I agree with some posters before that you can list a good number of superior tanks. I wouldn't say he's un-viable because his taunt is still great, but he feels to me like a one-skill hero, kind of like pre-buff Kayle. The only Shen in a long time that's bothered me was DarkTerrorBlade's one and that guy bothers me with almost every hero he touches except his craptacular Kassadin. | ||
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Goshawk.
United Kingdom5338 Posts
On September 26 2010 03:30 ghen wrote: TIME TO MIGRATE. Everyone please join the channel LiquidParty it requires perfect capitalization and no funny business with unicode. Once you join, hit the gear icon in the upper right of the chat window and auto-join it. It's time to stop fragmenting the community! Tell your friends. No one's in the EU one? Or just LoL TL EU community isn't very big? P.S. Very fairly new LoL player, only level 10. But, good at dota and getting good at LoL. | ||
IntoTheWow
is awesome32278 Posts
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
amumu fucking sucks in 95% of team comps. he doesn't have it in him to ult 5 enemies and just ends up exploding. definitely not better than shen. Haha...this is exactly how I tend to play Amumu...i rack up the assists/deaths while my team cleans up. If the other team comp is especially bad I can stack Sunfires/MR and survive ulting the whole team and even chase down stragglers with W/Rylai's/Sunfire damage. It makes me sad that I can't play Amumu in ranked anymore...how did people only discover him in lower ELO a few weeks ago? Gonna have to find a new tank.... | ||
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
On September 26 2010 03:57 barbsq wrote: yeah that was my fault, sleep deprivation means that panth global ult = shen global ult and makes them related. Undoubtedly superior tanks: Amumu - duh Rammus - fast jungler, better ganker, and more damage output (ult does as much damage as fiddle's, btw) along with one of the best pure tanking skills in the game - Rammus also farms significantly faster Taric - a lot of people favor building AP on him but his role is still that of a tank. Dicking around at the back of a fight with Taric is generally awful because his CD blows on his heal and his ult doesn't heal people anymore. It's the same concept as Soraka generally building tanky before and playing as a baity front-line tank to try to draw fire. Garen - duh Galio - see my previous post Tanks that offer stronger X than Shen, who offers only map control with his ult: Nasus - one of the best melee DPS in the game while being virtually unkillable for 15 seconds Singed - he's not as good in teamfights until he gets farmed, but he farms like a boss and once he gets farmed is like a 1v5 hero because Singed does whatever he wants Sion - has a stronger disable in laning phase/ganking (bigger range + damage), does more burst damage, and has a stronger teamfight skill (his ult). Olaf - the other top-end melee DPS in the game, who jungles well and is retarded to kill because you just have to spam CDR+tank on him Notable mentions: Malphite - one of the best initiators in the game, + has burst AoE nuke damage Mordekaiser - 'cause some people say so, I still think he's underwhelming and worse than Shen Pantheon - if you build that way Tankplank - lane control + his ult Alistar - W spam destroys squishies in lanes and he's still the best DPS bodyguard in the game. Combined with his 1:1 AP ratios and he builds a lot like Sion except in more of a stay-back-and-knock-people-away role. He got phased out by the no-carry flavor of the year and now people kinda forgot about him. Nunu - he jungles really fast, buffs people, has a good gank cuz of the ranged snare, and forces people to CC him at least once | ||
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
galio is much, much better than shen for 1% of the game (when he uses his ult), and otherwise on par with him IMO amumu>galio>rammus>shen in terms of "tanks" but shen is more of a support hero than a true tank still, shen punishes bad players and players that make bad decisions, so he's a beast up to the 1400 level (where i found i was much, much less effective with him. not saying he can't be used at higher levels but i just wasn't as effective) | ||
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STS17
United States1817 Posts
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
On September 26 2010 04:14 gtrsrs wrote: galio is much, much better than shen for 1% of the game (when he uses his ult), and otherwise on par with him IMO amumu is much, much better than shen for 1% of the game (when he uses his ult), and otherwise on par on him IMO I'll wholeheartedly agree that Shen is more of a tanky support hero than a pure tank though, but we've gone over that a few times over the past several months anyways and agreed every time. That doesn't change that I feel like Shen is a horrid tank, and also will not change my opinion that Shen blows. Oh, he'll shine - I didn't even mention Cho in that list I just made comparing vs Shen but I lost a game to a fed Cho twice in the last two months. It happens. Good players are good. Doesn't mean I have to think the hero is any good. | ||
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STS17
United States1817 Posts
On September 26 2010 04:18 Southlight wrote: amumu is much, much better than shen for 1% of the game (when he uses his ult), and otherwise on par on him IMO I'll wholeheartedly agree that Shen is more of a tanky support hero than a pure tank though, but we've gone over that a few times over the past several months anyways and agreed every time. That doesn't change that I feel like Shen is a horrid tank, and also will not change my opinion that Shen blows. Oh, he'll shine - I didn't even mention Cho in that list I just made comparing vs Shen but I lost a game to a fed Cho twice in the last two months. It happens. Good players are good. Doesn't mean I have to think the hero is any good. I agree with this. Although Shen has some great synergies with many champions, for example, ulting to any stealthed champion who is chilling near someone who doesnt have oracles (perhaps still during the laning phase) and taunting them because they cant see shen porting in. His ganks are amazing in this case. He works well with anyone who has a global ult for back dooring or chasing enemy champions. | ||
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ghen
United States1356 Posts
On September 26 2010 04:04 Goshawk. wrote: No one's in the EU one? Or just LoL TL EU community isn't very big? P.S. Very fairly new LoL player, only level 10. But, good at dota and getting good at LoL. Actually, sorry for the misunderstanding. I don't know the status of the EU chat room. I assume it's in the same situation. We'll need a couple champions of the cause on the EU server to get the community together under one roof there as well. edit: Yay PVP.net server is completely dead. can't login. | ||
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
On September 26 2010 04:23 STS17 wrote: I agree with this. Although Shen has some great synergies with many champions, for example, ulting to any stealthed champion who is chilling near someone who doesnt have oracles (perhaps still during the laning phase) and taunting them because they cant see shen porting in. His ganks are amazing in this case. He works well with anyone who has a global ult for back dooring or chasing enemy champions. no. don't use a good "get out of jail free" ult as a backdooring/ganking gimmick. if you're doing that then you didn't need shen in the first place. ward + teleport, any champ can do the same thing, many much better | ||
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Phrost
United States4008 Posts
In Corporate Mundo we trust. | ||
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myopia
United States2928 Posts
On September 26 2010 02:06 Jupiter.sKy wrote: and what are these bug fixes you speak of? oh sorry I didn't answer this question. Vorpal Blade heal buff + Ki Strike is screwed up. The trouble is that Ki Strike's bonus damage is applied separately and before his autoattack damage. If the Ki Strike bonus is enough to kill the vorpal'd unit, the game doesn't count this as an auto attack and you won't proc the heal. Also, if you had the heal proc going when this happened, it'll be cancelled. | ||
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