On June 23 2010 02:02 Energizer wrote:
:O we're not dead! I mean... there's still a culture victory. Just have to tech drama and lib and we're golden.

Really? In my experience it's hard as hell getting a culture victory unless you plan on it from the start.

stk01001

United States786 Posts

June 22 2010 19:48 GMT

#222

i'm enjoying following these succession games and started playing a little civ 4 myself. Quick question for you guys.. have you ever tried out the improved AI MOD to make these succession games more fun / challenging? I'm not sure exaclty how the AI MOD works.. can you use it and still play on easier difficulty settings, or is there only one setting for the MOD?(in which case I'm assuming it'd be as hard, if not harder than immortal?) I'm not even sure how good the MOD is, I know they just released a fairly new one for BTS... just trying to determine how much of a difference it actually makes. Sorry to post in your succesion game thread, but I didn't want to start another Civ 4 thread. Thanks in advance for any input.

duckett

United States589 Posts

June 23 2010 02:43 GMT

#223

havent been following x.x looks hard and havent played civ in a while =/ thought i would have time for civ + succession game but i havent >.>

take me off the list =(
pmed mystlord

catabowl

United States815 Posts

June 24 2010 00:33 GMT

#224

Oh crap... I'm next after Myst. Need to read what's been going on... lol

Mystlord

United States10264 Posts

June 24 2010 05:45 GMT

#225

Uhhhh nailed me at a bad time... I have stuff to do for the next few days, so it's probably better if catabowl just takes his turns now. PMed him.

Keilah

731 Posts

June 24 2010 06:21 GMT

#226

IMO, given how far behind we are in tech and how tiny is the chance that we'll ever have ANY monopoly tech, we ought to switch to 100% EP instead of beakers.

catabowl

United States815 Posts

June 24 2010 09:21 GMT

#227

Downloaded and will play today sometime later. Gotta watch the MSL selection first :D

artoo[

United States22 Posts

June 24 2010 09:51 GMT

#228

I have been lurking TL for years, finally setup an account a few months back, now getting brave enough to post. I just had to for this one.

I just want to thank Sen for putting this all together. Today was the first I've heard of this going on here and after reading through the first game you guys had, I was totally entertained. I mean, I was consumed reading about your Civ4 game for hours! Native Americans FTW. Great reports from the players, hilarious situations when people would pick up the game and play against their better judgments (I LOL'd at "well if the religious leaders want me to take the holy city, I just have to"), the evolution of the empire through multiple rulers....

I am horrible at Civ but easily dump 30+ hours into it every time I start a game, so I'm learning as you guys play as well. I can barely win a Prince game.

Well enough of my ramble... I'm going to catch up on game two then read up on where game three is headed.

Oh since it's my first post I also want to thank Team Liquid as a whole for always supplying me with plenty of wonderful SC and SC2 news/tournaments/forum posts/kitten videos/etc to keep the inner geek alive!!!

catabowl

United States815 Posts

June 24 2010 20:38 GMT

#229

Just finished my turns... Going to get all the stuff soon. Give me a few

catabowl

United States815 Posts

June 24 2010 21:12 GMT

#230

I start my 20 turns attack Leptis. My goal here is to take Leptis and move forward. I was full of confidence with everything looking good. Picture below!

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Right when I feel it's okay to move forward. Hammurabi shows up. Ugh!

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Right before I take the city, Hammurabi shows up and starts pillaging us. Ewwwwwwww

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I take Leptis while losing one catapult. Victory for us but then I make an executive decision. I make peace with Hannibal. Don't worry, it only lasts 10 turns. I want to clean up the hammurabi forces before advancing more against Hannibal. Might be an unpopular decision, but I think it is best right now.

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Hammurabi takes our city of Ghuzz. This hurts my feelings A LOT. But then, a surprising turn of events happens. Apparently, Napoleon does not approve of Hammurabi picking on poor Teamliquid and decides to launch an assault with his 2 vassals. A breather finally! Napoleon can stop anymore reinforcements. Once we cleanup these forces, we can redeclare on Hannibal!!!

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Once I get my units healed, I try to head to Cumae as fast as I can, but Hammurabi strikes first and takes our city. This is a devasting blow to our economy because if we get this city back we will have lost most of the buildings we spent valuable time building! I will get revenge for this you worthless piece of sh--

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The attack to retake Cumae begins! I sacrifice one Catapult to deal some damage to his forces and the next attack was a 67% LOSS! (Feels like Flash losing to Hyvaa in OSL or any of his current ace match losing streak) After that, we WON back-to-back 67% (I lol'ed at the law of averages) The rest of the battles were about winning with the right attacking team at the right moment to keep the winning % above 90 and we retake Cumae!

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Teamliquid's hidden agenda to eventually backstab Napolean starts with voting for the French to LOSE a city and it passed!

I have moved the army back to retake Ghuzz. And what do I see? Saladin's army right there as well. Saladin attacks first with his catapults and devastates the army of Hammurabi. Saladin's generals look at us and say, "Have at the beasts!!!" Our generals, four now I believe, finish off Hammurabi's forces and retake the city of Ghuzz!!! We're back in business!!! hahahaha! You can't beat us Hammurabi! We are TEAMLIQUID!!!

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On my 20th turn, we get Guilds. This should allow some cities to build grocers for gold! Up to the next player I guess. I started researching GUNPOWDER, but no turns have passed, so you can decide where to go from there. Saladin discovers Democracy and converts to Emancipation which will HURT US BIG TIME!!! We might need to pray and hope we can get Democracy quickly before our workers revolt on us for not having emancipation. All and all, I think I did alright just surviving. We, with Saladin, took out 16 curassier, 6 catapults, 6 pikemen, and 2 macemen. We lost 3 elephants, 2 praets, 2 longbowmen, and an archer.

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Recommendations: I didn't check to see if we had all the prerequests to start building KNIGHTS. Our cities have units still producing and I have Workers cutting lumber and 2 workers to rebuild a road that was destroyed to reconnect our cities/warriors for quicker transportation. I would suggest declaring war on Hannibal ASAP. I have a couple Trebuchets mixed with Catapults that should help with the cities. I suggest more. We didn't lose any generals and actually GAINED 2 more!!! We can still pull this off! With Napoleon and his allies preventing Hammurabi from getting to us, We can peacefully declare on Hannibal until those 2 countries make peace.

+ Show Spoiler +

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catabowl

United States815 Posts

June 24 2010 21:44 GMT

#231

nosliw pmed btw

nosliw

United States2716 Posts

June 24 2010 22:08 GMT

#232

got the PM and will play tonight. Things are getting exciting!

Badjas

Netherlands2038 Posts

June 24 2010 22:39 GMT

#233

Great report full of excitement

h3r1n6

Iceland2039 Posts

June 25 2010 10:57 GMT

#234

Ok so it was good that I refused to stop trade with napoleon 3 times

nosliw

United States2716 Posts

June 25 2010 13:50 GMT

#235

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Report coming later today
I took 3 cities from Hannibal!

Manit0u

Poland17431 Posts

June 25 2010 13:58 GMT

#236

On June 23 2010 04:48 stk01001 wrote:
i'm enjoying following these succession games and started playing a little civ 4 myself. Quick question for you guys.. have you ever tried out the improved AI MOD to make these succession games more fun / challenging? I'm not sure exaclty how the AI MOD works.. can you use it and still play on easier difficulty settings, or is there only one setting for the MOD?(in which case I'm assuming it'd be as hard, if not harder than immortal?) I'm not even sure how good the MOD is, I know they just released a fairly new one for BTS... just trying to determine how much of a difference it actually makes. Sorry to post in your succesion game thread, but I didn't want to start another Civ 4 thread. Thanks in advance for any input.

I can't really imagine a situation where you would need better AI in Civ... Perhaps when you can beat the game consecutively on Deity with all random settings each time...

Unless this mod changes it so that AI is actually smarter and not getting huge bonuses while you're handicapped.

catabowl

United States815 Posts

June 25 2010 18:18 GMT

#237

Still waiting to see what you did nosliw :D

Keilah

731 Posts

June 26 2010 03:27 GMT

#238

Hey I was just playing some civ4, and wondering... why do people generally love universities? They're so expensive. Is it just for Oxford? Banks and observatories, the closest parallels to universities, seem to be better.

And what about wall street? Do people build that? It's quite the hammer investment, and it requires a lot of expensive banks in other cities as well.

Kinda seems to me like the best way to run an economy is to have a lot of cities doing science with one city running specialists for gold, or vice versa. Needing a lot of universities/banks to get the +100% building seems to make that idea suck =[

nosliw

United States2716 Posts

June 26 2010 03:41 GMT

#239

I see that our citizens are too happy, and they have forgotten our cruel oppression, which made me an unhappy king. So I immediately switched all productions to trebuchets.
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I waited a turn and whipped them all!
Seeing how we have no money to upgrade units, I decided to use our Great Generals as unit free upgraders. We ends up with 4 free maceman + other CR3 melee units. Good thing CR3 give bonus vs Gunpowder, otherwise I would have no good counter to all the Musketman defending the cities.
Next I declared WAR!!! And we see the first dead city
Before:
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After:

He has a puny counter stack that basically did nothing besides pillaging some improvements.
Unfortunately, Napoleon made peace with Hammurabi, so I had to speed up my beat down of Hannibal. (Why are we at war with all the H's?)
Surprise! A third city that is weakly defended
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And the result at 1500AD
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Conclusion: Took 3 cities with minimal loses (Trebuchets/Cats/War Elephants)
Napoleon is everyone's worst enemy for some reason, and he is bullying us (poor TL).

Spenguin