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jhNz
Germany2762 Posts
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keeblur
United States826 Posts
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.Wilsh.
United States133 Posts
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theSAiNT
United States726 Posts
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DrainX
Sweden3187 Posts
The hardest mission I have played so far in the single player campaign. Managed to beat it after a few tries | ||
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Antoniuss
Portugal26 Posts
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theSAiNT
United States726 Posts
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VIB
Brazil3567 Posts
On May 28 2011 22:34 Greentellon wrote: How can you say there's no luck? You don't know what your oponent will do. You have to guess. If you guess right you win, if you guess wrong you lose. I'm thinking about buying this game. But after seeing the videos it just seems like there's WAY too much luck in it. Am I missing something here?1)There is no luck involved. Everything is mathematically calculated, and if the test simulation shows something will happen in some way, it will happen so when the turn is executed for real. Also, is there any multiplayer mode where each person must make a move in X seconds? (similar to speed chess) Because the whole luck + slowness of the game makes it seems like the kind of thing that I would enjoy for a few days but get bored very quickly. | ||
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Airact
Finland366 Posts
On May 30 2011 22:31 VIB wrote: How can you say there's no luck? You don't know what your oponent will do. You have to guess. If you guess right you win, if you guess wrong you lose. I'm thinking about buying this game. But after seeing the videos it just seems like there's WAY too much luck in it. Am I missing something here? Also, is there any multiplayer mode where each person must make a move in X seconds? (similar to speed chess) Because the whole luck + slowness of the game makes it seems like the kind of thing that I would enjoy for a few days but get bored very quickly. As far as I see it; if you "guess" wrong, you just assume wrong. You can literally simulate everything in a multiplayer game. You can set ghost-opponents to do simulations about where they might be and go. So basically if you assumed wrong, it was because you either didn't simulate certain situations or you simulated them wrong. It might seem like luck at first because there is just so many possibilities. Everything can be simulated. The only thing that worries me is the map randomization because it will certainly create some positional imbalances. | ||
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VIB
Brazil3567 Posts
On May 30 2011 22:54 Airact wrote: I'll try to give an example:You can literally simulate everything in a multiplayer game. You can set ghost-opponents to do simulations about where they might be and go. So basically if you assumed wrong, it was because you either didn't simulate certain situations or you simulated them wrong. It might seem like luck at first because there is just so many possibilities. Everything can be simulated. Suppose there are only 2 possibilities: A or B. You can simulate both, so you do that. You find that: - if A is true you need to do A-1 to win - if B is true you need to do B-1 to win But you don't know if A or B is true. And you still have to choose between executing either A-1 or B-1. So whatever you pick, you still might win or lose. Only depends if you get lucky. | ||
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Aim Here
Scotland672 Posts
On May 28 2011 22:34 Greentellon wrote: 1)There is no luck involved. Everything is mathematically calculated, and if the test simulation shows something will happen in some way, it will happen so when the turn is executed for real. One caveat. There IS an inbuilt luck factor (as opposed to players having random optimal strategies), which occurs in the very very occasional case when two guys attack each other in the exact same circumstances (such as two shotgunners walking towards each other with the same ROE and with no cover until they come into range). It rarely happens and it is the case where the fairest thing to do is go for the coinflip, so it's not a huge deal. | ||
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theSAiNT
United States726 Posts
On May 30 2011 23:01 VIB wrote: I'll try to give an example: Suppose there are only 2 possibilities: A or B. You can simulate both, so you do that. You find that: - if A is true you need to do A-1 to win - if B is true you need to do B-1 to win But you don't know if A or B is true. And you still have to choose between executing either A-1 or B-1. So whatever you pick, you still might win or lose. Only depends if you get lucky. Usually you can find a C that means you can win if he does A, but you don't lose if he does B. The set of possible moves is very large. | ||
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Looky
United States1608 Posts
i got it after watching totalbiscuit introduce the game. its a fun game. just hate the servers sometimes but they said its getting a new one soon. | ||
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DrainX
Sweden3187 Posts
On May 30 2011 23:01 VIB wrote: I'll try to give an example: Suppose there are only 2 possibilities: A or B. You can simulate both, so you do that. You find that: - if A is true you need to do A-1 to win - if B is true you need to do B-1 to win But you don't know if A or B is true. And you still have to choose between executing either A-1 or B-1. So whatever you pick, you still might win or lose. Only depends if you get lucky. I see your point but that is very rarely the case. Almost every time I lose really badly it is becausemy opponent did something I wasnt expecting. It is usually possible to at least make an even trade with your opponent if he performs one of the strategies you have considered. If not, you must have put yourself in a very risky situation in the earlier rounds. There is usually some way to play "safe". | ||
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plated.rawr
Norway1676 Posts
Problem is, though, it keeps crashing when I try to launch it, both from steam and from the .exe. More specifically, the game launches a 800x600 window, which loads for 5 or so secs, before it crashes. This is the error message I get (Sorry for the norwegian, I'm sure you understand what goes where if you're a person that understands that kinda stuff): + Show Spoiler + Problemsignatur: Navn på problemhendelse: APPCRASH Programnavn: FrozenSynapse.exe Programversjon: 0.0.0.0 Tidsstempel for program: 4dd103c2 Navn på feilmodul: StackHash_fd00 Feilmodulversjon: 0.0.0.0 Tidsstempel for feilmodul: 00000000 Unntakskode: c0000005 Unntaksforskyvning: 00000000 OS-versjon: 6.0.6002.2.2.0.256.6 ID for nasjonal innstilling: 1044 Tilleggsinformasjon 1: fd00 Tilleggsinformasjon 2: ea6f5fe8924aaa756324d57f87834160 Tilleggsinformasjon 3: fd00 Tilleggsinformasjon 4: ea6f5fe8924aaa756324d57f87834160 Anyone have had any similar problems with it? Here's my hardware, if that's relevant. AMD Athlon 64 x2 Dual Core Processor 6000+ 3,0 ghz ATI Radeon 4800-series (4850e) 2gb ram 300gig SATA drive Creative SB X-Fi soundcard Oh, and I'm running Vista. | ||
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Nyx
Rwanda460 Posts
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Wesso
Netherlands1245 Posts
On May 31 2011 05:21 plated.rawr wrote: Bought the music-version of this game, as the trailer and TB's vid made the gameplay and setting seem enticing - I'm a sucker for cyberpunk. Problem is, though, it keeps crashing when I try to launch it, both from steam and from the .exe. More specifically, the game launches a 800x600 window, which loads for 5 or so secs, before it crashes. This is the error message I get (Sorry for the norwegian, I'm sure you understand what goes where if you're a person that understands that kinda stuff): Oh, and I'm running Vista. reinstalling your videocard drivers helps some people (you can do that in steam, by going to steam -> check for video driver updates) If you already have the latest version you need to manually download it | ||
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Zhou
United States832 Posts
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plated.rawr
Norway1676 Posts
On May 31 2011 05:31 Wesso wrote: reinstalling your videocard drivers helps some people (you can do that in steam, by going to steam -> check for video driver updates) If you already have the latest version you need to manually download it That worked, and I feel silly for not trying it before asking here. That being said though, I've had similar problems on my stationary on minecraft and haven&hearth, and for those two, reinstalling the drivers did no good, so I expected this to be the same blind end for that solution. I'm glad it wasn't. Thanks. | ||
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DrainX
Sweden3187 Posts
http://www.reddit.com/r/frozensynapse/ Only 200 member so far but it has been growing steadily for the last couple of days. Add it to your front page if you have reddit and enjoy the game A couple of nice videos posted there already. | ||
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