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Zozma
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1626 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-14 17:26:09
May 14 2010 17:24 GMT
#1221
Cleveland's offense is basically designed to make our point guards suck. We could have Magic Johnson and he still wouldn't look like a good point guard because in this system all he would do is pass the ball to Lebron.

Mo is actually a good player- he just doesn't usually get the chance to show it.
XaI)CyRiC
Profile Joined October 2002
United States4471 Posts
May 14 2010 17:25 GMT
#1222
While I think there is some justification for all the flack Lebron is getting now, I do think that people are going too far. He's still a great player who has amazing court vision, amazing physicality and athleticism, an improving ability to shoot the ball from the perimeter and the FT line, a solid one-on-one defender, and a great help defender. He's also never had a true Allstar-caliber sidekick to help him, so I don't think it's fair for people to say that he had everything he needed to win a championship and just screwed it up. Sure, he definitely could have won it all with the roster he had around him (example: Wade's championship roster), but it should by no means have been assumed that he could do so even if he is the best player in the league. One does not necessarily cancel out the other in my opinion.

The one area of criticism which I think is entirely deserved is in how he handled himself in Game 5 against the Celtics. All great players have had the occasional game where they just mailed it in, but to do so in a pivotal Game 5 when your team needs you the most? Inexcusable.

Also, I don't think the Cavs rely so much on Lebron because he's demanding it or forcing them to do so. He is just their best option by far in every offensive possession, whether it be scoring or creating offense for others with his ability to suck in defenses, amazing court vision and passing ability. There are few PGs who can pull off the passes that Lebron does, Mo Will surely isn't of that caliber. Combine that with the fact that Brown has shown himself to be a thoroughly unimaginative and subpar coach on the offensive end, and you get the Lebron show on offense 99% of the time.
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Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
May 14 2010 17:25 GMT
#1223
Poor Mo, can never deliver when it counts... he has such great regular seasons and he could potentially be so deadly, but he just can't turn it on in the playoffs.

Also... where was JJ Hickson? Why did Brown NEVER play him... Varajao also barely showed up, and where was Delonte West? Everything that had them so dominant in the season just epic failed so hard
twitter.com/xerislight -- follow me~~
XaI)CyRiC
Profile Joined October 2002
United States4471 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-14 17:44:21
May 14 2010 17:42 GMT
#1224
On paper, BOS seems to be a terrible matchup for ORL.

Perkins was able to guard Dwight one-on-one a lot in the playoffs last year, and is able to do about as good a job on him as anyone. I remember DET being a nightmare matchup for ORL before the blew the team up, in large part because Sheed defended Dwight very well. Combine the two, and I expect Dwight will have a hard time of it in this series.

Carter is infamous for his aversion to contact and physicality, and you can be sure that BOS, who is already one of the more physical teams in the league, is going to try to exploit that. After having to deal with Lebron already, I can't imagine Carter posing the same challenge or being as effective.

Nelson has been ORL's best player in the postseason, but BOS has one of the best defensive PGs in the league in Rondo. I can see Rondo effectively guarding Nelson, but I can't see it the other way around. Having Dwight behind him will help Nelson a lot, but I can't help but feel Rondo will be able to do whatever he wants with Nelson on him.

KG vs. Shard = Nuff said.

However, with all that said, ORL did sweep BOS during the regular season. While it's certainly arguable that the Celtics are playing better now than they were all season, you can make that same argument for the Magic as well. I think it'll be a very entertaining series and interesting to see if the regular season dominance for ORL carries over. It'll also be interesting to see if ORL having such an easy path to the ECF factors in because the disparity between BOS and ATL/CHA is huge, at least in comparison to ORL and CLE/MIA in my opinion.
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vietboi
Profile Joined May 2010
Norway109 Posts
May 14 2010 18:20 GMT
#1225
Celtics was simply better then cavs. Just look at the MU on the positions and everybody can see that celtics has an edge on cavs. Cavs has one way to play basketball. Give the ball to lebron, he will then decide to be a scorer, a pointguard, turn the ball over w/e. If you shut lebron down like celtics did you have the win over cavs.

Look at the celtics. Rondo was dominating the first matches. Then cavs tried to stop rondo and pierce and allen stepped up big time. They have so many weapons! Choose your poison like the commentators always is saying!

For the magics - celtics east finals, its kinda hard to predict. On the paper celtics is better IMO.
Rondo vs nelson, both will dominate for their team, pretty even i think
Allen vs carter, put a hand on allens face and he will have a hard time. Allen decent defender, but i think carter has a slight edge here.
Pierce vs barnes, it will be up to barnes to try and contain pierce, while making the open 3-pt shots he will get. Pierce, simply a better player so he will win this MU.
Garnett vs lewis, 3 pt shooter vs a post player. Can go both ways really. But garnett is overall a better player.
Howard vs perkins, Howard FTW! Perkins must be able to guard howard 1v1 for the celtics to have a chance. If howard gets to dominate he will have so many weapons!

Bench? Celtics bench ftw! many good players who is able to step in and do the job. Orlando, decent bench. But most of them are shooters only.

I hope for celtics win so kobe and the lakers can have their revenge!
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
May 14 2010 18:48 GMT
#1226
You make it sound like shutting down Lebron in a 7 game series is easy.
Get it by your hands...
il0seonpurpose
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Korea (South)5638 Posts
May 14 2010 19:50 GMT
#1227
No matter if Lebron beat the Celtics in the series, or even won the championship, the media will be around him all summer :/
vietboi
Profile Joined May 2010
Norway109 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-14 19:53:51
May 14 2010 19:51 GMT
#1228
Celtics played better then cavs in both game 1 and 2, and only some big threes from mo williams made them win in game 1. The only game cavs played better was in game 3, when lebron was playing really well. The rest of the games it looked like the celtics had found a way to contain lebron. Im sorry if i said shutting lebron down, thats not possible really. But at least containing him and not letting him go for 40/10/10.

Containing lebron and use all their weapons on the right way. And i think they did use their weapons well in the series vs cavs, therefore they advanced.

If lebron had won a championship this year we would have stayed because then we would see the potential that the cavs organisation have. But now...i really dont know. Me and my friend have been thinking of the "big three" of all time. D-wade, C-bosh and King james on one team. Who can sign them? I dunno! But i would be dominating really!
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
May 14 2010 19:59 GMT
#1229
On May 15 2010 04:51 vietboi wrote:
Celtics played better then cavs in both game 1 and 2, and only some big threes from mo williams made them win in game 1. The only game cavs played better was in game 3, when lebron was playing really well. The rest of the games it looked like the celtics had found a way to contain lebron. Im sorry if i said shutting lebron down, thats not possible really. But at least containing him and not letting him go for 40/10/10.

Containing lebron and use all their weapons on the right way. And i think they did use their weapons well in the series vs cavs, therefore they advanced.

If lebron had won a championship this year we would have stayed because then we would see the potential that the cavs organisation have. But now...i really dont know. Me and my friend have been thinking of the "big three" of all time. D-wade, C-bosh and King james on one team. Who can sign them? I dunno! But i would be dominating really!


You realize what you said applies to all of the teams in the second round right?
Get it by your hands...
vietboi
Profile Joined May 2010
Norway109 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-14 20:29:33
May 14 2010 20:28 GMT
#1230
It applies for every team yes, but can they execute it?

Every nba player knows what to do on the court. Knowing is not enough, you gotta execute it and execute it well. Kobe bryant is saying that all the time. Celtics is one team capable of containing lebron like they did. They knew how to stop him and they executed it very well. They have one of the best defending big man in KG. They have a great coach on doc rivers who knows how to play defence. And they have good enough man/man defender on lebron (tony allen, ray allen, paul pierce), but also great as a defensive team together.

I just saw article on how celtics managed to stop lebron. The man guarding lebron plays aggresive defence and forcing him to either left or right, then the other playes on the team collapse and gives lebron no room to get to the rim. Then celtics are very good at closing out on the 3 pt shooters when lebron is kicking the ball out to them.

Lebron aint winning rings with the team he has now. He is the one and only option on the cavs team, and that wont win championships.
BalliSLife
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
1339 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-14 23:10:05
May 14 2010 23:09 GMT
#1231
Bos shut down lebron (sorta) almost the same way they did to kobe 2 years ago. Obviously everyone thought that with shaq on the cavs it would of been a sure win but clearly shaq is done unless he loses 50 fucking pounds by next season.
Ya well, at least I don't fuck a fleshlight with a condom on and cry at the same time.
knyttym
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States5797 Posts
May 14 2010 23:12 GMT
#1232
lolol Cavaliers. Go to school in cleveland and I loled because I knew my friends were like nooooooo T.T. Also hoping for that Lakers vs Celtics final. Man that would be off the hook
larrysbird
Profile Joined May 2006
375 Posts
May 14 2010 23:13 GMT
#1233
I think James needs Wade and Nowitskie next season and after or his out .
Is there a cure among us from this processed sanity - c soul
igotmyown
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4291 Posts
May 14 2010 23:13 GMT
#1234
Predictions:

Orlando 4-2 Boston
Lakers 4-1 Suns

Even assuming Boston is playing like they did in the first half of the season, Orlando has put it all together. Boston doesn't create contact enough to get Howard into foul trouble, and they don't have to rely on him on offense to win.

The Lakers have finally abandoned their Kobe ball nonsense and are abusing their size, which puts them a shade below their 2009 selves.
In theory the Suns can run them off the court, maybe they're playing hot, and maybe the lakers have problems with point guards and it could end up 4-3. But then again, they always have problems with point guards and small ball, but the two towers always seems to end up winning.

+ Show Spoiler [Semifinals] +

Cavs 4-2, wrong Boston 4-2
Lakers 4-3, Lakers 4-0
Orlando 4-1, Orlando 4-0
Suns 4-3, Suns 4-0

BalliSLife
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
1339 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-14 23:23:35
May 14 2010 23:21 GMT
#1235
Exactly why is playoff basketball THAT much different from the regular season? do the players really feel that much pressure besides lebron? I honestly think the cavs were so confident in themselves that they kept preparing for orlando thinking that celtics wouldn't be a problem at all.
Ya well, at least I don't fuck a fleshlight with a condom on and cry at the same time.
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
May 14 2010 23:33 GMT
#1236
It's different because you get to play the same team at least 4 times in a row. So it's easier to adjust to mistakes game to game and get used to how they are playing you. Coupled in with the fact that the mentality is no longer "win to secure a spot in the big dance" but "win or go home" and you see why some players up their game. Coast in the season to avoid injury or rest, and go haywire in the playoffs.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
BalliSLife
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
1339 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-15 00:09:52
May 15 2010 00:08 GMT
#1237
So would you say the cavs just didn't have it in overall skill or were they burned out from their amazing regular season? I'm not making excuses up for lebron but I wonder if a 100 percent elbow would of even mattered lol...
Ya well, at least I don't fuck a fleshlight with a condom on and cry at the same time.
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
May 15 2010 00:33 GMT
#1238
On May 15 2010 05:28 vietboi wrote:
It applies for every team yes, but can they execute it?

Every nba player knows what to do on the court. Knowing is not enough, you gotta execute it and execute it well. Kobe bryant is saying that all the time. Celtics is one team capable of containing lebron like they did. They knew how to stop him and they executed it very well. They have one of the best defending big man in KG. They have a great coach on doc rivers who knows how to play defence. And they have good enough man/man defender on lebron (tony allen, ray allen, paul pierce), but also great as a defensive team together.

I just saw article on how celtics managed to stop lebron. The man guarding lebron plays aggresive defence and forcing him to either left or right, then the other playes on the team collapse and gives lebron no room to get to the rim. Then celtics are very good at closing out on the 3 pt shooters when lebron is kicking the ball out to them.

Lebron aint winning rings with the team he has now. He is the one and only option on the cavs team, and that wont win championships.


All of the teams in the semifinals can execute their game plan...except maybe the Hawks (by no fault of their coach). You don't reach the 2nd round of the playoffs by playing poorly at this point (except again the Hawks). Anyways, the Magic-Celtics series will be good since both teams are playing very well.
Get it by your hands...
CSN
Profile Joined February 2009
United States175 Posts
May 15 2010 01:09 GMT
#1239
On May 15 2010 09:08 BalliSLife wrote:
So would you say the cavs just didn't have it in overall skill or were they burned out from their amazing regular season? I'm not making excuses up for lebron but I wonder if a 100 percent elbow would of even mattered lol...


there was no elbow problem, he was making it up for attention so that for years espn will be like "remember when lebron had a bad elbow and destroyed everyone in 2010?"

i dont see how you can have a bad elbow and still be chasing blocks down and smashing the ball against the backboard with such force.
"you posting only about sports here makes you a non-contributing member, and therefor, your arrogant attitude towards him is not good humor, just you being a prick." -kazius
tonight
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States11130 Posts
May 15 2010 01:26 GMT
#1240
All the free agents should start their own team and smash everyone next season.
if I come without a thing, then I come with all I need @tonightsend
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