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BaltA
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Norway849 Posts
May 31 2010 18:42 GMT
#2121
I just started following NBA; AND I LOVE IT!
Holcan
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2593 Posts
May 31 2010 19:14 GMT
#2122
On June 01 2010 01:41 Lefnui wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2010 05:27 XaI)CyRiC wrote:
Rondo will almost certainly end up being guarded the way Westbrook was, i.e. Kobe defending him and daring him to shoot from the perimeter.


That would be the best approach. I think that people overrate Rondo. It's true that he's strong at penetrating, passing and creating opportunities for his teammates. But he has absolutely no ability to shoot. It's amazing some of the shots he is unwilling to take. I've seen many instances in which Rondo is wide open on the perimeter with his defender 6-8 feet back just daring him to shoot and he refuses to. It's just ridiculous that any player, even a center, would have such little confidence in their shooting ability. I have no idea why certain teams play him in a default, tight man to man style. He should be treated like he's Shaq five feet out from the three point line. I think that he could be nullified then.

It would also allow Kobe to act freely as a help defender, which he is so skilled at.




One of his most notable aspects is his determination to not allow himself to be the sole benefactor on offense, now im not saying he is a good jump shooter, and this defensive strategy isnt correct, im just saying that the reason he denies taking those shots is because its his job to facilitate and make other players look better than they actually are.

He has the ability to shoot a moderate %, he would just rather have paul pierce, kg, or allen shooting jumpers, or getting one of the big bodies moving towards the cup.
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Lefnui
Profile Joined November 2008
United States753 Posts
May 31 2010 19:41 GMT
#2123
On June 01 2010 04:14 Holcan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2010 01:41 Lefnui wrote:
On May 31 2010 05:27 XaI)CyRiC wrote:
Rondo will almost certainly end up being guarded the way Westbrook was, i.e. Kobe defending him and daring him to shoot from the perimeter.


That would be the best approach. I think that people overrate Rondo. It's true that he's strong at penetrating, passing and creating opportunities for his teammates. But he has absolutely no ability to shoot. It's amazing some of the shots he is unwilling to take. I've seen many instances in which Rondo is wide open on the perimeter with his defender 6-8 feet back just daring him to shoot and he refuses to. It's just ridiculous that any player, even a center, would have such little confidence in their shooting ability. I have no idea why certain teams play him in a default, tight man to man style. He should be treated like he's Shaq five feet out from the three point line. I think that he could be nullified then.

It would also allow Kobe to act freely as a help defender, which he is so skilled at.




One of his most notable aspects is his determination to not allow himself to be the sole benefactor on offense, now im not saying he is a good jump shooter, and this defensive strategy isnt correct, im just saying that the reason he denies taking those shots is because its his job to facilitate and make other players look better than they actually are.

He has the ability to shoot a moderate %, he would just rather have paul pierce, kg, or allen shooting jumpers, or getting one of the big bodies moving towards the cup.

I disagree. Although he's a generous player who makes his teammates better I don't think that's the reason he is unwilling to shoot from the perimeter. If you're a poor perimeter shooter who's being covered tightly, then by all means give someone else a touch. But if you're wide open, with your defender at least five feet back, you must be willing to shoot with confidence. There are many instances in which I've seen this, including the 2008 finals. He seems completely unwilling to shoot at moderate distances, let alone from deep. If he was a center it wouldn't make such a difference, but for a guard it's a huge disadvantage to the team.
FiRe)
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States98 Posts
May 31 2010 20:06 GMT
#2124
On May 31 2010 05:27 XaI)CyRiC wrote:
Rondo will almost certainly end up being guarded the way Westbrook was, i.e. Kobe defending him and daring him to shoot from the perimeter. They've done it before, so I'd expect it again. It'll come down to whether Rondo will be able to knock down perimeter shots, but I think that the Lakers will live with them even if he does start making them.

Fisher is capable of chasing Ray around, particularly in fighting through all the screen action that Boston likes to run for him. He'll get beat from time to time because Ray is still faster and more athletic, but he should do a good enough job of chasing him off the 3pt line at least.

I really like Artest guarding Pierce. Back in his Pacers days, Artest used to shut Pierce down like no one else. It was to the point that you'd sit Pierce if you owned him in fantasy basketball whenever he faced IND. Pierce isn't very quick and uses his craftiness and physicality to score, which I think Artest can deal with very well. On the flipside, Pierce can probably guard Artest about as well as any SF can with the similar amount of speed, size and strength. However, if both end up shutting each other down, the Lakers win because BOS relies heavily on Pierce's ability to score.

The battle in the paint will be interesting as KG and Pau are both some of the most versatile bigs in the league. Pau has some size on KG and KG has slowed, but KG is a much better defender and is still quicker and more athletic. Should be interesting to see how it goes, particularly since I think Pau has gotten tougher since two years ago and will be more ready for the physicality.

If Bynum were healthy, I'd give him a definite edge over Perkins, but with his injury the Lakers should just hope that he can match Perkins. Both are only expected to defend, rebound, and convert easy baskets that their teammates set them up for.

One thing that may be interesting is to see how well Tony Allen takes the role that Posey did two years ago in being the primary defender on Kobe when they need to slow him down. I remember him doing well in the regular season, but the playoffs are a different beast, particularly Kobe in the playoffs. Boston will again have to rely on some really good team defense because I don't think either of the Allens are good enough defenders to defend Kobe well. Kobe will be more ready for Boston's defense this time around, and has become more trusting of his teammates. We'll see if he's able to effectively draw double teams and find open teammates like he has been during this postseason.


i do agreee with everything but the pierce and artest shut down, rember pierce wasnt a factor in the cleveland series cause of lebron james, so kg and rondo took over and they won, yeah kg has been slowed down but i think everyone is hungry and fight till they die. Bynum and perkins will be interesting, maybe his injury will slow him down, limit his limits or maybe he'll be dominating in the paint, but who knows.
Flame On!
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
May 31 2010 21:48 GMT
#2125
Rondo not shooting isn't a huge disadvantage. Remember the Celtics have 3 future HOFs that can each iso. If it was that much of a problem I think by now someone would realize how to punish them 4 games in a series and knock them out. People have been saying this for 3 years now but no one has shown an answer for it. Imo do what the Lakers tried to do too late in that 08 series: know Rondo may not shoot, but don't always leave him open. Play for the drive. You don't leave people open because of the perception they may be terrible: at some point they'll start hitting and you'll be sorry.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Lefnui
Profile Joined November 2008
United States753 Posts
June 01 2010 01:39 GMT
#2126
On June 01 2010 06:48 Ace wrote:
Rondo not shooting isn't a huge disadvantage. Remember the Celtics have 3 future HOFs that can each iso. If it was that much of a problem I think by now someone would realize how to punish them 4 games in a series and knock them out. People have been saying this for 3 years now but no one has shown an answer for it. Imo do what the Lakers tried to do too late in that 08 series: know Rondo may not shoot, but don't always leave him open. Play for the drive. You don't leave people open because of the perception they may be terrible: at some point they'll start hitting and you'll be sorry.

Of course it's a huge disadvantage. His defender can play multiple feet back and then there's no chance of penetration. It doesn't matter how good you are at driving, you can't get past a defender who's giving you a ton of room. And it gives the defender much more freedom to help others, which is something that Kobe is great at. It isn't a mere "perception" that Rondo can't shoot from the perimeter; he can't. He has absolutely no confidence at all with shooting from the most moderate distances. I'm sure you've seen him wide open, all alone and looking to pass. If Rondo manages to somehow hit a few shots, that's fine, because I guarantee he won't hit many. In that very unlikely case an adjustment could be made. But if the past is any indication he won't even be willing to take the shot.
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
June 01 2010 03:08 GMT
#2127
And you're wrong. Defenders that play back on him get blown by or let him survey the defense. This has been pointed out multiple times - he's not your average point guard where he settles for what the defense gives him. Do you not remember the clip of Rondo vs the Cavs where he's standing there with the ball under his left arm, pointing and directing with his right while his defender is 5 feet off of him? He murdered them on that very same play. You consistently play multiple feet back and you're screwed.

Yes, you have a chance to play help defense. That is great but that is not the reason you suggested to play off of Rondo. You said it's because he can't shoot due to low confidence - I'm telling you that is not a reason to consistently play off someone. It's just stupid. The Lakers in 08 got rocked because of that strategy and it wasn't until they started mixing it up they stopped Boston from doing whatever they wanted on offense. Keep leaving a guy open to shoot, especially one that can drive at will in the paint and once he starts hitting shots you.are.screwed. Ron Artest just showed you this by dropping 15 first half points on Phoenix and sending them home. Did you listen to what Alvin Gentry said? "We'd rather Artest be hitting open shots than Kobe. If he hits them then we'll live with it." And they ended up dying because of it.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
XaI)CyRiC
Profile Joined October 2002
United States4471 Posts
June 01 2010 03:17 GMT
#2128
Rondo not shooting perimeter shots isn't by any means fatal to Boston's offense, he's consistently found ways to be a great PG despite not taking those shots all year. Would it be better if he did take and make those shots? Would it make him basically impossible to guard one-on-one a la Tony Parker (when healthy)? Yeah, but it's not a huge problem because of the cast he has around him. Rondo is very lucky to play with guys like Ray, Pierce and KG because they hide his deficiencies, but play with them he does and it works for the most part.

While I do think the Lakers will dare him to shoot, I also don't think they'll give him a ton of space to just relax and build up speed for drives either. At least I hope Kobe and Phil are smarter than that after watching the earlier series in these playoffs. He'll be dared to shoot, but will still have some pressure on him to give him something to think about other than just setting teammates up.
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Holcan
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2593 Posts
June 01 2010 03:18 GMT
#2129
On June 01 2010 04:41 Lefnui wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2010 04:14 Holcan wrote:
On June 01 2010 01:41 Lefnui wrote:
On May 31 2010 05:27 XaI)CyRiC wrote:
Rondo will almost certainly end up being guarded the way Westbrook was, i.e. Kobe defending him and daring him to shoot from the perimeter.


That would be the best approach. I think that people overrate Rondo. It's true that he's strong at penetrating, passing and creating opportunities for his teammates. But he has absolutely no ability to shoot. It's amazing some of the shots he is unwilling to take. I've seen many instances in which Rondo is wide open on the perimeter with his defender 6-8 feet back just daring him to shoot and he refuses to. It's just ridiculous that any player, even a center, would have such little confidence in their shooting ability. I have no idea why certain teams play him in a default, tight man to man style. He should be treated like he's Shaq five feet out from the three point line. I think that he could be nullified then.

It would also allow Kobe to act freely as a help defender, which he is so skilled at.




One of his most notable aspects is his determination to not allow himself to be the sole benefactor on offense, now im not saying he is a good jump shooter, and this defensive strategy isnt correct, im just saying that the reason he denies taking those shots is because its his job to facilitate and make other players look better than they actually are.

He has the ability to shoot a moderate %, he would just rather have paul pierce, kg, or allen shooting jumpers, or getting one of the big bodies moving towards the cup.

I disagree. Although he's a generous player who makes his teammates better I don't think that's the reason he is unwilling to shoot from the perimeter. If you're a poor perimeter shooter who's being covered tightly, then by all means give someone else a touch. But if you're wide open, with your defender at least five feet back, you must be willing to shoot with confidence. There are many instances in which I've seen this, including the 2008 finals. He seems completely unwilling to shoot at moderate distances, let alone from deep. If he was a center it wouldn't make such a difference, but for a guard it's a huge disadvantage to the team.



If you look at the shot clock in his decision making he will look for his shot at the end of the clock, but if not he will try to make a play, or get an easy pass to a big man.
Reference The Inadvertant Joey, Strong talented orchastrasted intelligent character.
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
June 01 2010 03:32 GMT
#2130
Yet, there have been instances where Rondo's defender gets put on an island (to borrow a NFL term) with him and the remaining four has played exceptional defense by severely bothering the Celtics offensive execution later on in the shot clock. This has forced jumpers by Rondo which isn't all that bad.

The problem with this is that KG screen since KG despite all of his recent shooting troubles is still pretty automatic from two spots on the floor.
Get it by your hands...
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
June 01 2010 03:44 GMT
#2131
Just want to mention that if Kobe beats this Boston team I'm going to say he definitely deserves to have more MJ comparisons. Hopefully it'll stop all the Kobe/Lebron talk.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
igotmyown
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4291 Posts
June 01 2010 04:32 GMT
#2132
On June 01 2010 12:44 Ace wrote:
Just want to mention that if Kobe beats this Boston team I'm going to say he definitely deserves to have more MJ comparisons. Hopefully it'll stop all the Kobe/Lebron talk.


Don't start that nonsense again.
'We just wet the bed,' said Kobe Bryant, who should never again be compared to Michael Jordan

---
This is such a terrible pre-finals discussion. Obviously Rondo doesn't have the greatest outside shot. Obviously the Lakers tried to exploit it last finals, and were down 40 in their must win game 6. It's not like it's some secret that no coach has ever thought of trying to use in their favor.
CSN
Profile Joined February 2009
United States175 Posts
June 01 2010 04:44 GMT
#2133
lebron is already the best ever to play the game. kobe and jordan cant compare.
"you posting only about sports here makes you a non-contributing member, and therefor, your arrogant attitude towards him is not good humor, just you being a prick." -kazius
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
June 01 2010 04:54 GMT
#2134
On June 01 2010 13:32 igotmyown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2010 12:44 Ace wrote:
Just want to mention that if Kobe beats this Boston team I'm going to say he definitely deserves to have more MJ comparisons. Hopefully it'll stop all the Kobe/Lebron talk.


Don't start that nonsense again.
Show nested quote +
'We just wet the bed,' said Kobe Bryant, who should never again be compared to Michael Jordan

---
This is such a terrible pre-finals discussion. Obviously Rondo doesn't have the greatest outside shot. Obviously the Lakers tried to exploit it last finals, and were down 40 in their must win game 6. It's not like it's some secret that no coach has ever thought of trying to use in their favor.


How is it nonsense? Explain.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
June 01 2010 05:14 GMT
#2135
It definitely makes sense to compare Kobe and MJ even at this point. If Kobe wins it all this year, then absolutely.
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
June 01 2010 05:43 GMT
#2136
Playing off Rondo isn't the key, the key is the fact that the Lakers have Bynum/Gasol/Odom to stop his penetration. You'll notice that in three rounds of the playoffs, and throughout the regular season EVERYONE plays far off Rondo because they know his shot is inconsistent. Has that ever stopped him from getting to the basket? Nope.
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BalliSLife
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
1339 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-01 05:50:57
June 01 2010 05:50 GMT
#2137
Shut up with all the MJ vs KOBE comparisons, we all know BIG COUNTRY BRYANT REEVES was the greatest of all time.
Ya well, at least I don't fuck a fleshlight with a condom on and cry at the same time.
Kazius
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Israel1456 Posts
June 01 2010 14:42 GMT
#2138
On June 01 2010 13:44 CSN wrote:
lebron is already the best ever to play the game. kobe and jordan cant compare.

QFT

Kobe is still better than him, and I think the series vs. Phoenix proved it. That doesn't mean much about the future (Magic was a better player than MJ during his first years in the NBA), but seriously, LeBrick needs to improve his shooting but more so to improve his teammates, because until then he's an improved Dominique Wilkins.

Oh, and GO DELONTE!!!!
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haduken
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Australia8267 Posts
June 01 2010 15:54 GMT
#2139
Just saw G6 of Lakers vs Suns. Pretty good game, nice intensity down to the last minute.

Are the rest of the series this good?
Rillanon.au
tonight
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States11130 Posts
June 01 2010 17:02 GMT
#2140
Kobe is clutch LeBron is not. I don't know if you ever need a better argument.
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