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On March 10 2011 10:42 prototype. wrote:
wow. so many hardcore pokemon players here.
I just use cool/cute looking pokemon because I'm shallow like that.
I mean, I like having strong pokemon (as long as they're bearable to look at/play with), but in some ways I agree.
I'm using 4 ghost types on my team (Cofagrigus, Jellicent, Chandelure, Drifblim), simply because I think they're cool/good enough. Needless to say, not all people would call this an efficient way to make a team....
It's just more fun if you play the game that you find fun, which apparently is SUPER hardcore for some people.
P.S. I kinda like using mono-type teams. It's interesting finding common ground, a good overall-gameplan, small details of synergy and mini-strategies, and ways to overcome common weaknesses.
I understand why almost all gym leaders do it 
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On March 10 2011 10:59 Blisse wrote:
What Garchomp is ou now? That's ridiculous.
Maybe it's wrong, but that's what I was told. The tier list for gen V seems incomplete. I guess we'll have to see.
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On March 10 2011 11:01 Ferrose wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2011 10:59 Blisse wrote:
What Garchomp is ou now? That's ridiculous. Maybe it's wrong, but that's what I was told. The tier list for gen V seems incomplete. I guess we'll have to see.
Garchomp I think is one of those like "just below acceptable" levels where he is usually frowned upon in most competetive play because he isnt legendary but he is significantly better than most pokemon and borderline legendary.
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On March 10 2011 10:52 Juddas wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2011 10:24 Ferrose wrote:On March 10 2011 10:15 Juddas wrote:On March 10 2011 09:57 dgReborn wrote:
it's min maxing jester. If you don't get it don't worry, a good 90% of the playerbase for pokemon don't.
I'm honestly regretting taking Tepig. There are a lot of good fire alternatives, Volcarona stands out the most in my book, but not that many great grass alts. Serperior is prolly the best grass type in this set excluding legendarys... pssh i have never played a pokemon game where i kept the starter more than 7ish gym badges. they arent ever very good, the ability sucks, and i dont want to constantly reset to get a good nature and its not worth it to try to get a female to breed and then start over with. the starters serve their purpose as an early game pokemon- usually to about 50 i drop them. why do you need a grass type though? i have never found myself ever needing a grass type, except for misty in red blue because her starmie is OP lol, but even then i would just grab an oddish and train it for about 5 minutes and then destroy her. Empoleon, Infernape, and Swampert would like to have a word with you. Edit: What's the metagame like right now? It seems like offense is heavily favored right now >.> tyranitar dragonite metagross garchomp gyrados even slaking gengar alakazam, tons of others would like to have a word with YOU and for emploeon and swampert, anything that can learn surf or waterfall would also like to have a word with you seriously. they dont even need STAB and they would be better than those 3
Infernape is one of the stronger starters in that he is very fast and powerful, so is able to kill most pokemon that start a battle.
As well, it has a diverse move pool that allows it to revenge kill many common sweepers.
Empoleon is a wall, has huge defensive stats, as well as the ability to do some damage... it is a bulky water type. The water + steel type allow it to be highly defensive vs most typings (ex immune to poison, not weak to fire type due to water, etc...) This makes empoleon a great bulky water type. That with waterfal can do serious damage.
Swampert is used to set up, with stealth rocks and toxic... it very rarely does single target damage in a game, but it can wreak havoc on a team, not dying due to defenses and leaving pokemon hurt and status effected.
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You don't play competative pokemon I assume, so yes... empoleon and swampert would not look good to you, but they are not offensive power houses. They are used to soak up hits, and set up area effects to win you matches.
In the single player they are all but useless, but in multiplayer they are very powerful additions to a team.
All of these: tyranitar dragonite metagross garchomp gyrados even slaking gengar alakazam are sweepers.
They are physical or special sweepers, but sweepers none the less, and as such fill a MUCH different role then empoleon or swampert.
They are only comparable to infernape... and even then, infernape kills metagross, garchomp, gengar, alakazam, and i believe tyranitar (not 100% sure on tyranitar).
Dragonite and gyrados you would switch out on, but still...
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Even then, dragonite is over shadowed by garchomp and salamance... Gyrados is not used very often simply due to a shallower move pool then other sweepers.
Tyranitar is used to set up permanent sandstorm, not for it's offensive abilities...
alakazam isn't used at all, since it sucks compared to 99% of special sweepers.
metagross and gengar are both very good pokemon, but metagross is going out of style thanks to most pokemon having earthquake.
and then there is garchomp who is in uber tier... basically like you comparing infernape to lugia... very different power levels.
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Infernape = very powerful lead / revenge killer
Empoleon = decent bulky water (or a decent sweeper with the right move pool in the right situation)
Swamper = amazing lead
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yeah i know they were pseudos but still...
and gengar is not too frail if used properly. milotic is another good one i thought of.
and to all of the flamers, i played on a team for a couple of months and we played competitively and were high tier soo... i think i know what im talking about. i was talking about single player because i assumed that was what he was referring to. i never even think about multiplayer because i cant stand it anymore as they are just the most annoying things in the world to me. ill go up against somebody who just switches every move to a tank and just does annoying shit so the battle takes over 30 minutes or something ridiculous.
i know the roles very well believe me. my past teams probably mvp was blissey with thunder wave, stealth rock, substitute, toxic and it was holding glitterpowder...
im pretty gosh darn sure blissey isnt a sweeper
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I'm at N Castle right now trying to get a good nature for Reshiram. I only have a lvl 11 Woobat with me so I can die faster to check the nature, lol.
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talking about the demotion to OU of some of the more powerful pokemon (ex. garchomp)
I do believe this is because Gen V just came out and people do not know who will be Uber and who will be OU YET.
There haven't been enough games, the list will be updated come the end of season 1 of OU play. Where the top pokemon will most likely be moved to Ubers if their usage is high enough.
Garchomp, salamance, etc... will most likely be returned to Ubers along with a few more pokemon.
Hell, once dreamworld comes online, I expect the number in Ubers to grow exponentially... look at some of the powers some pokemon get... *shudders*
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my team.. + Show Spoiler +Zebstrika
Samurott
Musharna
Archeops
Darmanitan
Bisharp
I want to make a new team with all good EVs and IVs, can anyone give me a few tips? been playing since red/blue way back when but I havn't gotten competitive since Heart Gold / Soul Silver.
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On March 10 2011 11:09 NuKedUFirst wrote:my team.. + Show Spoiler +Zebstrika
Samurott
Musharna
Archeops
Darmanitan
Bisharp
I want to make a new team with all good EVs and IVs, can anyone give me a few tips? been playing since red/blue way back when but I havn't gotten competitive since Heart Gold / Soul Silver.
look at my post at top of page 32 = a good start for breeding... a better one would just be to google "smogon university breeding guide" and read the whole thing.
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On March 10 2011 11:00 TALegion wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2011 10:42 prototype. wrote:
wow. so many hardcore pokemon players here.
I just use cool/cute looking pokemon because I'm shallow like that. I mean, I like having strong pokemon (as long as they're bearable to look at/play with), but in some ways I agree. I'm using 4 ghost types on my team (Cofagrigus, Jellicent, Chandelure, Drifblim), simply because I think they're cool/good enough. Needless to say, not all people would call this an efficient way to make a team.... It's just more fun if you play the game that you find fun, which apparently is SUPER hardcore for some people. P.S. I kinda like using mono-type teams. It's interesting finding common ground, a good overall-gameplan, small details of synergy and mini-strategies, and ways to overcome common weaknesses. I understand why almost all gym leaders do it
You should look into this. For a while nearly mono-Water was the dominant strategy in the Metagame until some moves got banned. Before that nearly exclusively ground/rock/steel was the preferred typeset. There are plenty of ways to maximize synergy amongst a team even with the same type to enhance it up to something reasonably competitive. Things to consider are dual-type Pokemon, powerful revenge killers and having a relatively high average speed in your team so you can eliminate difficult threats.
Consider reading some of Smogons rate-my-team (RMT) archives and other posts to see if you can find some common ground. Making a pokemon team is a lot like making your deck in Magic the Gathering, it's a pretty fun experience.
Here's an example of some popular past RMTs:
Kevin Garett Stall
Heavenly Star Bulky Offense
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Heres some knowledge dropping, Salamence, Garchomp, Wobuffet and even his baby version wynaut are considered ubers
Some pokemon that you would think are ubers aren't, like celebi.
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Are there any good guides for how to build teams? I honestly suck at it :x
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On March 10 2011 11:07 Juddas wrote:yeah i know they were pseudos but still...
and gengar is not too frail if used properly. milotic is another good one i thought of.
and to all of the flamers, i played on a team for a couple of months and we played competitively and were high tier soo... i think i know what im talking about. i was talking about single player because i assumed that was what he was referring to. i never even think about multiplayer because i cant stand it anymore as they are just the most annoying things in the world to me. ill go up against somebody who just switches every move to a tank and just does annoying shit so the battle takes over 30 minutes or something ridiculous.
i know the roles very well believe me. my past teams probably mvp was blissey with thunder wave, stealth rock, substitute, toxic and it was holding glitterpowder...
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im pretty gosh darn sure blissey isnt a sweeper
Name of team, and name of competition you've attended, nature of the competition and then your finish in that competition Otherwise saying, "I was on a team" means absolutely nothing. Also, provide proof of that.
Also, stalling is one of the most basic strategies in Pokemon. It's because your team can't handle a stall team that you lose, or get frustrated with long games. Also mainly because you think a team full of sweepers works at a high level.
Blissey is one of the strongest special walls in the game (used in ubers occasionally). It has the highest HP and Sp. Def stats in the game.
i think i know what im talking about.
That attitude is what holds people back.
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For single player, make a team that isn't terrible and you're good. Terrible would be considered, consisting of four of the same types of Pokemon, not having a good variety of typing (moves or pokemon), and using Pokemon like Rattata. But in general, it's mainly just levelling that allows you to win.
For multi player, you have to decide what type of team you want to build, then decide if you want it to be orthodox or random, UU, OU or Uber, and then choose ferom the 20 or so Pokemon that apply to each category. You can mix or match categories, but that's usually not as good as going only one way. Then you need to find "synergy" in your team, meaning that each Pokemon covers each other's weaknesses, and be able to take care of the majority of the threat Pokemon (most commonly used and strongest).
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@Insanious...What do you mean Tyranitar isn't used for its offensive power? Stab Stone Edge rapes things so badly it's scary, especially if it's a CB set. The reason he isn't an awesome sweeper is because of his 4x weakness to fighting which is nearly omnipresent in OU. That and he's slow as shit.
I'd imagine Garchomp especially will be uber again. He's too damn fast and hits too damn hard. Salamance will likely return to uber as well again due to its access to DD.
Dragonite will probably make a comeback in OU this gen. With Garchomp and Salamance likely going to be banned again it's the only really good dragon alternative you've got. Altaria is good for UU SPAtk walling but that's about it. Sazandora may be used but the Special Attacking sweeper pool has so much competition in it....i'd rather use Zapdos for that, or NP Celebi, or CM suicune or something.
I have definitely noticed an even further trend toward very fast very hard hitting pokemon. It's even more prevalent this generation than it was the last one. I fear sandstorm teams.
Dreamland fucks shit up though. Drizzle will likely be banned (I heavily disagree with the ban but hey...) and some other pokemon get insane with Dream World abilities.
Most of the 100x6 base stat Legendaries aren't Uber. In fact I think only Manaphy and Mew are banned. Manaphy because Drizzle + Hydration is absolutely ridiculous and Mew because of its unending move pool. I am interested to see when the Uber tier is finalized. I'll likely stick to UU/NU tiers but it's always interesting to see what does and what does not get banned.
I'm currently building a team around Volcarona. After one quiver dance the thing will sweep pretty much everything...especially if DroughtTails ends up OU and not Uber. I'll need Rapid Spin support for it to remove pesky SR but...luckily SR won't be as omnipresent as it was in Gen 4 due to its removal as a TM.
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On March 10 2011 11:32 Jayme wrote:
@Insanious...What do you mean Tyranitar isn't used for its offensive power? Stab Stone Edge rapes things so badly it's scary. The reason he isn't an awesome sweeper is because of his 4x weakness to fighting which is nearly omnipresent in OU. That and he's slow as shit.
What i meant is that Tyranitar is used for two things:
1) Weather effects... as you have either tyranitar or hipowdon who have sandstream. Tyranitar is stronger than hipowdon so...
2) To fill in a type weakness... tyranitar does have monsterous attack power, but as you said, his weaknesses are GIGANTIC as well. This means tyranitar's offensive power is muted compared to other pokemon. You use tyranitar to counter specific pokemon, not as your teams sweeper.
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On March 10 2011 11:36 Insanious wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2011 11:32 Jayme wrote:
@Insanious...What do you mean Tyranitar isn't used for its offensive power? Stab Stone Edge rapes things so badly it's scary. The reason he isn't an awesome sweeper is because of his 4x weakness to fighting which is nearly omnipresent in OU. That and he's slow as shit.
What i meant is that Tyranitar is used for two things: 1) Weather effects... as you have either tyranitar or hipowdon who have sandstream. Tyranitar is stronger than hipowdon so... 2) To fill in a type weakness... tyranitar does have monsterous attack power, but as you said, his weaknesses are GIGANTIC as well. This means tyranitar's offensive power is muted compared to other pokemon. You use tyranitar to counter specific pokemon, not as your teams sweeper.
True words. And I think Stone Edge isn't 100% as well.
TTar is good for countering specific Pokemons and builds, not to sweep the game. I think you could build a team around TTar sweeping, but I'm not sure how effective it would be.
Is anyone else thinking that it's really inconvenient not to have a city map. I was lost trying to find the Electric Gym (3rd?) for a while. Turns out something about Amusement Parks and a Ferris Wheel...
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On March 10 2011 11:38 Blisse wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2011 11:36 Insanious wrote:On March 10 2011 11:32 Jayme wrote:
@Insanious...What do you mean Tyranitar isn't used for its offensive power? Stab Stone Edge rapes things so badly it's scary. The reason he isn't an awesome sweeper is because of his 4x weakness to fighting which is nearly omnipresent in OU. That and he's slow as shit.
What i meant is that Tyranitar is used for two things: 1) Weather effects... as you have either tyranitar or hipowdon who have sandstream. Tyranitar is stronger than hipowdon so... 2) To fill in a type weakness... tyranitar does have monsterous attack power, but as you said, his weaknesses are GIGANTIC as well. This means tyranitar's offensive power is muted compared to other pokemon. You use tyranitar to counter specific pokemon, not as your teams sweeper. True words. And I think Stone Edge isn't 100% as well. TTar is good for countering specific Pokemons and builds, not to sweep the game. I think you could build a team around TTar sweeping, but I'm not sure how effective it would be.
Oh I know that Tyranitar isn't used for sweeping, but to say it's not used for offensive power is a bit incorrect. He amended his statement and it's fine. He's a very good counter, especially choice scarfed.
As for Stone Edge not being 100%...well neither is Focus Blast but it's used by just about every special sweeper that can use it. Sometimes you're just going to take that gamble, especially with Stone Edge's higher crit rate.
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the team was a school club and we only played other clubs nothing was official about it i suppose but i was still one of the best in my 5a school. and i dont think my last edit worked. i was telling him about the single player, which is what i assumed he was talking about because "i regret the torpig" comment. i my team had zero psuedos and only sweeper i had was a gyrados with dragon dance. most of mine were dualed top attack and sp attack such as lucario. and yes i know blissey is good. thats why i used him derp. and yes i said i know what im talking about because everybody said "You don't play competative pokemon I assume" and such. i already stated i dont still compete or really even play multiplayer but once in a while because i dont like it. it bores me. long games just waste my time win or lose. recently i just keep resetting and play single player again because that is much more fun to me because i feel like im accomplishing something and just using my accomplished units to battle the same battles over and over again
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On March 10 2011 11:41 Jayme wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2011 11:38 Blisse wrote:On March 10 2011 11:36 Insanious wrote:On March 10 2011 11:32 Jayme wrote:
@Insanious...What do you mean Tyranitar isn't used for its offensive power? Stab Stone Edge rapes things so badly it's scary. The reason he isn't an awesome sweeper is because of his 4x weakness to fighting which is nearly omnipresent in OU. That and he's slow as shit.
What i meant is that Tyranitar is used for two things: 1) Weather effects... as you have either tyranitar or hipowdon who have sandstream. Tyranitar is stronger than hipowdon so... 2) To fill in a type weakness... tyranitar does have monsterous attack power, but as you said, his weaknesses are GIGANTIC as well. This means tyranitar's offensive power is muted compared to other pokemon. You use tyranitar to counter specific pokemon, not as your teams sweeper. True words. And I think Stone Edge isn't 100% as well. TTar is good for countering specific Pokemons and builds, not to sweep the game. I think you could build a team around TTar sweeping, but I'm not sure how effective it would be. Oh I know that Tyranitar isn't used for sweeping, but to say it's not used for offensive power is a bit incorrect. He amended his statement and it's fine. He's a very good counter, especially choice scarfed. As for Stone Edge not being 100%...well neither is Focus Blast but it's used by just about every special sweeper that can use it. Sometimes you're just going to take that gamble, especially with Stone Edge's higher crit rate.
Fair enough. I still like MIXTar on my teams though, since it confuses everyone.
It's been 15 hours and I'm on the 4th Badge. I think I'm doing something wrong.
@above, it literally means nothing. No offense, but like, you bring that team to Smogon or PO and it'll get ripped apart. This is coming from experience. For single player, everything goes, so it's pointless to talk about it. I think Nintendu wants to change that since this Gen is a lot tougher.
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