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yrba1
United States325 Posts
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illu
Canada2531 Posts
On July 03 2010 10:38 arb wrote: The only reason to pick the fire starter every game is cause.. game freak tends to enjoy not giving you fire pokemon till waaaaaaaaaay late in the game when your pokemon are already 10 levels above them OR the pokemon are just total garbage. What you are saying is partially true. There are fewer Fire type pokemon overall, and only a few are decent. This is a plus for choosing a Fire starter. Offensively Fire is decent. Defensively, Fire is good in early game (especially across the forest that every single generation has). On the down side, if you choose Fire as the starter, you will run into the pitfall of the Rock-type Gym that goes first in Kanto, Hoenn, and Shinnoh. Before the first Gym you typically have only your starter as well as Normal and Normal/Flying types to choose from, all of which are poor against Rock types. | ||
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arb
Noobville17922 Posts
On July 03 2010 10:45 illu wrote: What you are saying is partially true. There are fewer Fire type pokemon overall, and only a few are decent. This is a plus for choosing a Fire starter. Offensively Fire is decent. Defensively, Fire is good in early game (especially across the forest that every single generation has). On the down side, if you choose Fire as the starter, you will run into the pitfall of the Rock-type Gym that goes first in Kanto, Hoenn, and Shinnoh. Before the first Gym you typically have only your starter as well as Normal and Normal/Flying types to choose from, all of which are poor against Rock types. Well in the older games id agree fire pokemon in general were much much better Kanto had garbage like growlith and ponyta, i dont remember where you got Magmar(he was really good) Hoenn..yeah if you didnt go fire it was like LOL GJ ON FUCKING UP BRO. Atleast int he newest game you can get Magmar right after you get surf(he's a great pokemon imo) isnt far below your pokemons levels at that time (like 2-3 maybe) and can evolve into magmortar! Though rock gyms arent a problem anymore since Charmander learns metal claw at 16 i think or fairly early, and after Johto all the newest starters get double kick.. Though what i said above generally doesnt sway me from picking the fire starter eitherway. in b/w im def going grass cause it looks soooo cool, and that other fire thing looks kinda good | ||
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illu
Canada2531 Posts
On July 03 2010 11:16 arb wrote: Well in the older games id agree fire pokemon in general were much much better Kanto had garbage like growlith and ponyta, i dont remember where you got Magmar(he was really good) Hoenn..yeah if you didnt go fire it was like LOL GJ ON FUCKING UP BRO. Atleast int he newest game you can get Magmar right after you get surf(he's a great pokemon imo) isnt far below your pokemons levels at that time (like 2-3 maybe) and can evolve into magmortar! Though rock gyms arent a problem anymore since Charmander learns metal claw at 16 i think or fairly early, and after Johto all the newest starters get double kick.. Though what i said above generally doesnt sway me from picking the fire starter eitherway. in b/w im def going grass cause it looks soooo cool, and that other fire thing looks kinda good I think Arcanine is actually really good... at least in GenIV. Surely, you have to use a Fire Stone, but it's much better than Flareon and Ninetales (Flareon is garbage due to lack of good physical STAB; Ninetail is plain horrible). Magmortar is probably the best non-starter, non-legendary Fire type pokemon, but it requires trading... Houndoom is also really good, if dual-types are considered. I think Fire types are hopeless right now. For my SS I have no Fire types in my current party even though I started with one. I find Ice and Ground are sufficient to cover the lack of Fire. I can't find Flareon's stats distribution for GenIII, though. Maybe for Hoenn Flareon is a good Fire-type. ---------------------- Come to think of it, the Magmortar line is the only non-starter Fire type line that has a three-stage evolution. | ||
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arb
Noobville17922 Posts
On July 03 2010 11:49 illu wrote: I think Arcanine is actually really good... at least in GenIV. Surely, you have to use a Fire Stone, but it's much better than Flareon and Ninetales (Flareon is garbage due to lack of good physical STAB; Ninetail is plain horrible). Magmortar is probably the best non-starter, non-legendary Fire type pokemon, but it requires trading... Houndoom is also really good, if dual-types are considered. I think Fire types are hopeless right now. For my SS I have no Fire types in my current party even though I started with one. I find Ice and Ground are sufficient to cover the lack of Fire. I can't find Flareon's stats distribution for GenIII, though. Maybe for Hoenn Flareon is a good Fire-type. ---------------------- Come to think of it, the Magmortar line is the only non-starter Fire type line that has a three-stage evolution. http://www.serebii.net has all the pokemon info. Arcanine is ok but i hated leveling him as it took years..i like infernape but not near as much as blaziken for fire/fighting, i went with empoleon my first playthrough. Though most fire pokemon suffer from poor stats or a shallow movepool and the ever common weakness to earthquake. so idk Hopefully this gen will change stuff somehow | ||
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Playguuu
United States926 Posts
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Grumbels
Netherlands7031 Posts
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illu
Canada2531 Posts
On July 03 2010 20:07 arb wrote: http://www.serebii.net has all the pokemon info. Arcanine is ok but i hated leveling him as it took years..i like infernape but not near as much as blaziken for fire/fighting, i went with empoleon my first playthrough. Though most fire pokemon suffer from poor stats or a shallow movepool and the ever common weakness to earthquake. so idk Hopefully this gen will change stuff somehow I just hope Flareon can learn Flare Blitz. Flareon already have good statistics; all it needs is a good physical STAB. | ||
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KnightOfNi
United States1508 Posts
 POKENERDS UNITE :D | ||
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worldEnder
Australia74 Posts
HEE HEE | ||
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Najda
United States3765 Posts
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FraCuS
United States1072 Posts
:D Seeing bubble beams attacking me would make my day. | ||
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illu
Canada2531 Posts
On July 04 2010 06:31 FraCuS wrote: I wanna play pokemon in 3....DEEEEEEEEEEEEE :D Seeing bubble beams attacking me would make my day. I always set the option such that the animations are not shown. That saves time. | ||
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CagedMind
United States506 Posts
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Rinrun
Canada3509 Posts
Lol a Fire pig, already ready for consumption. I'd pick the grass cause he looks like a boss. | ||
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illu
Canada2531 Posts
On July 04 2010 08:19 Rinrun wrote: I remember the days where if you chose a Charmander, you would raeg cause you wouldn't be able to use him for the first two gyms... and I remember when there were only 150(+1), I'll never get used to the extra ones - never. Lol a Fire pig, already ready for consumption. I'd pick the grass cause he looks like a boss. I am guessing the fire pig is a bulky fire type pokemon. If so, it will fill a new niche as currently there are no bulky fire types. But yea, choosing a fire starter can be bad for the first gym; currently, three of the four regions have rock type as the first gym. | ||
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Rkie
United States1278 Posts
On May 13 2010 12:06 selboN wrote: Does anyone ever pick the grass starter anyways? I usually do the first time around, only because between i and 2 of my friends that play, one picks fire every time, and the other picks on final evo appearance, which usually leaves out grass | ||
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Jayme
United States5866 Posts
On July 04 2010 08:19 Rinrun wrote: I remember the days where if you chose a Charmander, you would raeg cause you wouldn't be able to use him for the first two gyms... and I remember when there were only 150(+1), I'll never get used to the extra ones - never. Lol a Fire pig, already ready for consumption. I'd pick the grass cause he looks like a boss. Yea but in return you would get a Pokemon that raped every other gym after the first 2 and was ended up at the VERY LEAST moderately powerful. Actually Charizard may have well been overpowered if he didn't have flying... | ||
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illu
Canada2531 Posts
On July 04 2010 09:39 Jayme wrote: Yea but in return you would get a Pokemon that raped every other gym after the first 2 and was ended up at the VERY LEAST moderately powerful. Actually Charizard may have well been overpowered if he didn't have flying... Fire/Flying is not a curse. Charizard has 5 resistances and 1 immunity (resists Fighting and immune to Ground); pure Fire type has 5 resistances and no immunities (resists Ice). In my opinion, immunities are far more useful then resistances. An immunity, especially an immunity to a common type such as Ground, attacks Charizard to be switched in more easily (you just need to anticipate a Ground-attack then switch Charizard in - Charizard will not be hurt due to immunity). The only thing that is bad for Charizard is his 4x weakness to Rock. If you have competitive battling in mind, then this is deadly because 4x weakness to Rock implies 50% HP loss from Stealth Rock when switching in. On the other hand Charizard is immune to all other entry hazards because it's part flying. Overall I think it's a fair trade-off. | ||
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Monokeros
United States2493 Posts
On July 04 2010 08:19 Rinrun wrote: I remember the days where if you chose a Charmander, you would raeg cause you wouldn't be able to use him for the first two gyms... and I remember when there were only 150(+1), I'll never get used to the extra ones - never. Lol a Fire pig, already ready for consumption. I'd pick the grass cause he looks like a boss. I remember fighting misty around 20 times and only able to use slash, with my almost level 30 charmeleon, while the rest of my pokemon were in their teens still... oh the pain | ||
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