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TanGeng
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sanya12364 Posts
February 23 2010 20:20 GMT
#241
15. g3
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Nosmo
Profile Joined August 2008
Canada210 Posts
February 24 2010 22:46 GMT
#242
15. g3, I guess
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jfazz
Profile Joined September 2009
Australia672 Posts
February 25 2010 00:49 GMT
#243
UPDATE

15.g3 Nxe4


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TanGeng
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sanya12364 Posts
February 25 2010 01:03 GMT
#244
only move really
16. Qxd4
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Ikari
Profile Joined April 2007
United States176 Posts
February 25 2010 01:21 GMT
#245
16.Qxe4
God Mode: Alt+F4
Arhkangel
Profile Joined August 2007
Argentina769 Posts
February 25 2010 02:55 GMT
#246
Fast update pleasse 16.Qxe4 is the only logical.
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Mystlord *
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10264 Posts
February 25 2010 04:14 GMT
#247
I agree with the fast update.

16. Qxe4.
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
February 25 2010 04:15 GMT
#248
gotta take it with the queen man
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CubEdIn
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Romania5359 Posts
February 25 2010 10:06 GMT
#249
@jfazz, I think you missed the post on my last page, I was asking if I could be part of the team. I know it's mid-game already but there are so few people playing that I thought one more active one won't hurt.

Also:
+ Show Spoiler +
Told you this was the obvious continuation for black. Next will be Bd6 or Nf6... maaaaaaybe Kb8 if he wants to stall. But the thing is, Bd6+Nf6 looks scary. He kinda turned this into a better control of the middle for black. The d6 bishop will be a pain, and there's not much white can do about it. I really don't think that g3 prevented anything just yet.

As for what white should do... either push the c pawn to try to get it on c5, but it will most likely be blocked next move, or move the queen so that Nf6 doesn't force a queen move on white's side.
Im not a n00b, I just play like one.
jfazz
Profile Joined September 2009
Australia672 Posts
February 25 2010 10:41 GMT
#250
Yeah sorry mate I did miss it, you're very welcome to join.

Welcome aboard!
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jfazz
Profile Joined September 2009
Australia672 Posts
February 25 2010 10:47 GMT
#251
NINJA UPDATE

16.Qxe4 Bd6


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CubEdIn
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Romania5359 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-25 11:58:44
February 25 2010 11:51 GMT
#252
On February 25 2010 19:41 jfazz wrote:
Yeah sorry mate I did miss it, you're very welcome to join.

Welcome aboard!


Awesome thanks!

+ Show Spoiler +
Right, so he's following the most reasonable line, that I was talking about above anyway. I played with this for about half an hour and it will most likely end into bishop (black) vs knight (white) end game, which is not that cool for white but should end in a draw.

As for what to do now.. I'm not sure. But please consider that his next move(s) will involve getting the Knight on f6. I can't see any way of preventing this, really, so another idea would be to try and force the bishop off d6. Unfortunately, we need 2 moves of the C pawn to do that, and it will most likely be blocked after 17. c4 with c5. Another way would be to try 17. Re1 and then after a forced 18. Qe2/3, we could bring the Knight to e5. Doing so without Re1 would result in losing material (1 pawn). Also, after 17. Re1 he can just f6 but then he won't have his knight on f6, so I don't think he'll do that.

Now, I played with the Re1 line a bit and it doesn't seem to be that advantageous because of the d4 pawn which is a liability. There are a few lines where he can attack it with something like c5 and defending it is a tricky job. That's why I would have preferred the king on b1 rather than that pawn on g3. The game is now moving completely on the Queen side, and our king is not perfectly positioned. That g3 pawn doesn't help at all just yet.

So yeah, the "safest" move I see is 17. c4 forcing him to c5. Then we can retreat the queen and he will play Nf6. This is the line that seems to result in the bishop vs knight game I was talking about in the first paragraph, which leads to a draw (most likely). I can't really see white winning this anymore.

Thoughts?

My vote will be 17.c4, unless someone else comes up with a solid plan... or at least some ideas.

Also please consider Re1. Maybe there's a gimmick there that I didn't spot.


Edit:
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I'm also looking at the Bf4 move right now. I didn't think of it before, but it seems to force a bishop trade, which I think is acceptable due to the fact that his black-square bishop is much more of a pain to us than ours is to him. I didn't really think this through though, as I have to go, but it might be good to consider. (and yes, the obvious disadvantage is that it leads to doubling f-pawns which might cost us the game in the end).
Im not a n00b, I just play like one.
Klive5ive
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom6056 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-01 14:27:46
February 25 2010 12:37 GMT
#253
On February 25 2010 20:51 CubEdIn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2010 19:41 jfazz wrote:
Yeah sorry mate I did miss it, you're very welcome to join.

Welcome aboard!


Awesome thanks!

+ Show Spoiler +
Right, so he's following the most reasonable line, that I was talking about above anyway. I played with this for about half an hour and it will most likely end into bishop (black) vs knight (white) end game, which is not that cool for white but should end in a draw.

As for what to do now.. I'm not sure. But please consider that his next move(s) will involve getting the Knight on f6. I can't see any way of preventing this, really, so another idea would be to try and force the bishop off d6. Unfortunately, we need 2 moves of the C pawn to do that, and it will most likely be blocked after 17. c4 with c5. Another way would be to try 17. Re1 and then after a forced 18. Qe2/3, we could bring the Knight to e5. Doing so without Re1 would result in losing material (1 pawn). Also, after 17. Re1 he can just f6 but then he won't have his knight on f6, so I don't think he'll do that.

Now, I played with the Re1 line a bit and it doesn't seem to be that advantageous because of the d4 pawn which is a liability. There are a few lines where he can attack it with something like c5 and defending it is a tricky job. That's why I would have preferred the king on b1 rather than that pawn on g3. The game is now moving completely on the Queen side, and our king is not perfectly positioned. That g3 pawn doesn't help at all just yet.

So yeah, the "safest" move I see is 17. c4 forcing him to c5. Then we can retreat the queen and he will play Nf6. This is the line that seems to result in the bishop vs knight game I was talking about in the first paragraph, which leads to a draw (most likely). I can't really see white winning this anymore.

Thoughts?

My vote will be 17.c4, unless someone else comes up with a solid plan... or at least some ideas.

Also please consider Re1. Maybe there's a gimmick there that I didn't spot.


Edit:
+ Show Spoiler +
I'm also looking at the Bf4 move right now. I didn't think of it before, but it seems to force a bishop trade, which I think is acceptable due to the fact that his black-square bishop is much more of a pain to us than ours is to him. I didn't really think this through though, as I have to go, but it might be good to consider. (and yes, the obvious disadvantage is that it leads to doubling f-pawns which might cost us the game in the end).

Can I play too please? This game has become really interesting xD
+ Show Spoiler +

I agree that 17. c4 is the best move to play now. I wouldn't move the rook at this stage because I don't see the e-file being of particular use to us at this time.
If he does indeed play 17 ... c5 then I would follow up with 18. Bc3
Now our position here looks fine. You begin to see why g3 was such a strong move.

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CubEdIn
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Romania5359 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-25 12:57:36
February 25 2010 12:56 GMT
#254
On February 25 2010 21:37 Klive5ive wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2010 20:51 CubEdIn wrote:
On February 25 2010 19:41 jfazz wrote:
Yeah sorry mate I did miss it, you're very welcome to join.

Welcome aboard!


Awesome thanks!

+ Show Spoiler +
Right, so he's following the most reasonable line, that I was talking about above anyway. I played with this for about half an hour and it will most likely end into bishop (black) vs knight (white) end game, which is not that cool for white but should end in a draw.

As for what to do now.. I'm not sure. But please consider that his next move(s) will involve getting the Knight on f6. I can't see any way of preventing this, really, so another idea would be to try and force the bishop off d6. Unfortunately, we need 2 moves of the C pawn to do that, and it will most likely be blocked after 17. c4 with c5. Another way would be to try 17. Re1 and then after a forced 18. Qe2/3, we could bring the Knight to e5. Doing so without Re1 would result in losing material (1 pawn). Also, after 17. Re1 he can just f6 but then he won't have his knight on f6, so I don't think he'll do that.

Now, I played with the Re1 line a bit and it doesn't seem to be that advantageous because of the d4 pawn which is a liability. There are a few lines where he can attack it with something like c5 and defending it is a tricky job. That's why I would have preferred the king on b1 rather than that pawn on g3. The game is now moving completely on the Queen side, and our king is not perfectly positioned. That g3 pawn doesn't help at all just yet.

So yeah, the "safest" move I see is 17. c4 forcing him to c5. Then we can retreat the queen and he will play Nf6. This is the line that seems to result in the bishop vs knight game I was talking about in the first paragraph, which leads to a draw (most likely). I can't really see white winning this anymore.

Thoughts?

My vote will be 17.c4, unless someone else comes up with a solid plan... or at least some ideas.

Also please consider Re1. Maybe there's a gimmick there that I didn't spot.


Edit:
+ Show Spoiler +
I'm also looking at the Bf4 move right now. I didn't think of it before, but it seems to force a bishop trade, which I think is acceptable due to the fact that his black-square bishop is much more of a pain to us than ours is to him. I didn't really think this through though, as I have to go, but it might be good to consider. (and yes, the obvious disadvantage is that it leads to doubling f-pawns which might cost us the game in the end).

Can I play too please? This game has become really interesting xD
+ Show Spoiler +

I agree that 17. c4 is the best move to play now. I wouldn't move the rook at this stage because I don't see the e-file being of particular use to us at this time.
If he does indeed play 17 ... c5 then I would follow up with 18. Bc3
Now our position here looks fine. You begin to see why g3 was such a strong move.
A possible line would be this:
18. Bc3 xd4
19. Rxd4 Nf6 ( we need to take with the rook to defend the pawn but it's fine ).
20. Qh4



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Interesting, didn't think of this line but it seems to work out fine. But again, tends to go towards a draw (the way I played it vs myself )

Just one comment:
18. Bc3 xd4
19. Rxd4 Nf6
20. Qh4

On 19, he won't really have a reason to bring his knight to f6 anymore, other than to chase away our queen. He'd be better off moving the bishop back to e7 in order to kill our plans on getting the game on the king side. Then bring his rooks together and try to force down on the king.


Edit: and since I can now play... why not cast the first vote.
17. c4
Im not a n00b, I just play like one.
jfazz
Profile Joined September 2009
Australia672 Posts
February 25 2010 13:22 GMT
#255
Yeah thats cool, welcome to the game.
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Klive5ive
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom6056 Posts
February 25 2010 14:35 GMT
#256
On February 25 2010 22:22 jfazz wrote:
Yeah thats cool, welcome to the game.

Great. In that case
17. c4
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Nosmo
Profile Joined August 2008
Canada210 Posts
February 25 2010 17:01 GMT
#257
+ Show Spoiler +
Would 17.Bf4 be playable? I know it leads to doubled f pawns, but we get counterplay down the g file later, and he can't play g6.
Killer next Bonjwa//Much is also good//Savior what happened//Fuck yeah, Nal_ra!
Ikari
Profile Joined April 2007
United States176 Posts
February 25 2010 17:10 GMT
#258
17.c4
God Mode: Alt+F4
Klive5ive
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom6056 Posts
February 25 2010 21:56 GMT
#259
On February 26 2010 02:01 Nosmo wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Would 17.Bf4 be playable? I know it leads to doubled f pawns, but we get counterplay down the g file later, and he can't play g6.

+ Show Spoiler +
Not really, Bf4 is just a bad exchange for us.

If we wanted to attack the g file we could have played Qg4 before g3 which isn't a terrible move. But since we played g3 (which I think was a better move) we've committed ourselves to a Queen side attack.

In my opinion our only other decent option besides c4 is Kb1.
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Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
February 26 2010 19:47 GMT
#260
Oh whoops I thought I voted but apparently I have not yet. 17. c4
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