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Klive5ive
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom6056 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-05 12:52:10
March 05 2010 10:55 GMT
#281
On March 05 2010 13:17 Arhkangel wrote:
Qe2??? Why?

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The short term reason is to defend c4.

But more than that Qe2 is a strong positional play.
In the long run Qe2 defends f2, h5, c4, b2 and the eventual g4+f2.
If pieces get swapped off, which is likely, we want our queen in this strong position.

I'm slightly surpised by his Rhe8; maybe he's just moving us out of standard lines confident he can win an open end-game.
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Part of me thinks we should play d5 now. Since he didn't take the oppurtunity to play xd4 or Nf6 followed by xd4, maybe we should take advantage of that.
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CubEdIn
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Romania5359 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-06 14:14:21
March 06 2010 01:26 GMT
#282
I'm not sure how this works but I'm way to tired to think right now. If I don't get to do it tomorrow morning, my vote is 19. Qe2

Or if j don't move I'll edit it when I can think clearly.

edit: Ok thought about it. Qe2 it is.
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Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
March 06 2010 09:19 GMT
#283
19. Qe2
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jfazz
Profile Joined September 2009
Australia672 Posts
March 07 2010 08:49 GMT
#284
UPDATE

19.Qe2 Nf6


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So, out of theory and into a middlegame.
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Klive5ive
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom6056 Posts
March 07 2010 11:15 GMT
#285
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Ok so some good moves to play from here are:
Kb1
This is a good positional move putting our King in a much stronger position.
Possible lines might warrant playing Rc1 defending c4 and ensuring our King is well defended.
Or if Black attempts a King-side push we can play a3 followed by Ka2.

Ne5
Puts our Knight in a strong central position. Black will probably trade the bishop for our Knight to prevent f4.
19. Ne5 Bxe5
20. dxe5 Nd7
Or
19. Ne5 cxd4
20. Rxd4 Bxe5
21. Rxd8+ Rxd8
22. Bxe5
We're likely to accelerate to a endgame from here.

There might be some other possibilities like
Rh4 and xc5 maybe.

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TwilightStar
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States649 Posts
March 07 2010 13:14 GMT
#286
Either Kb1 or Kc2 i'd say..
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CubEdIn
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Romania5359 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-07 14:18:57
March 07 2010 14:17 GMT
#287
20. Kb1
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Now, I'm not really sure what to say here.
I do want Kb1, it was my move of choice when I got into this game about 5 moves ago. I do understand its strengths but there's one thing that bothers me: You guys moved g3. If you move Kb1 now, then g3 was somewhat pointless. It didn't help thus far, and we could have just as well moved Kb1 back then and g3 (or something else) now. I feel that Kb1 now is losing tempo. I was hoping for alternatives that do use the f4 square.

Maybe I'm not seeing this in as much depth as I should, but it just seems that if we do the Kb1 now, we'd have lost a bit of an edge by losing tempo.

He probably expects Kb1, in order to proceed with 20. ...cxd4 and then after 21. Nxd4 he can free up his queen with 21. ...Qc5.

I can't say that I agree with Ne5 because, central as it might be, I feel a lot of pressure in holding the e5 square in the future. It's just in line of fire of too many things in a couple of moves. And since I think he'll most likely follow-up with cxd4, our knight will get on d4, which is just as, if not more annoying than e5.

Please discuss more, as this is a crucial spot in the game. I feel that the board will start clearing up in the next 10 moves, so we need to make each one really count.
Im not a n00b, I just play like one.
Ikari
Profile Joined April 2007
United States176 Posts
March 07 2010 20:37 GMT
#288
20.Kb1
God Mode: Alt+F4
malathion
Profile Joined March 2009
United States362 Posts
March 08 2010 00:06 GMT
#289
20. Kb1
Arhkangel
Profile Joined August 2007
Argentina769 Posts
March 08 2010 22:48 GMT
#290
I vote Ne5

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Cube has some really good points men :S I don't see the strength in playing Kb1 now. Let's give jfazz the option to follow here. We are much better positioned and i think that anything that he trades is actually putting him in a worse position than us. We are pinning 2 of his pieces with a simple pawn, so I don't know I am liking this move the best.


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the more time we give jfazz to set-up and position the harder it will be for us to win against him. We need to start forcing him to move, and let's face it, we arent going to get a much better position than so might as well start the trades.
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Athos
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2484 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-08 22:54:13
March 08 2010 22:52 GMT
#291
NE5

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The last game we played was too conservative and we didn't challenge black at all. Kb1 looks way too passive for me.
jfazz
Profile Joined September 2009
Australia672 Posts
March 08 2010 23:07 GMT
#292
Its:
4 votes for Kb1
2 votes for Ne5

ill give you a little longer
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Klive5ive
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom6056 Posts
March 09 2010 00:05 GMT
#293
On March 09 2010 07:52 Athos wrote:
NE5

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The last game we played was too conservative and we didn't challenge black at all. Kb1 looks way too passive for me.

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We can probably play Ne5 next turn. We don't have to worry about being passive, ultimately there's a lot of Chess to be played from here.

20. Kb1
Both moves are fine, I just want to get to the interesting part.
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Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
March 09 2010 00:21 GMT
#294
Kb1 - its more BA and a better move I swear.
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Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
March 09 2010 02:20 GMT
#295
20. Kb1
jfazz
Profile Joined September 2009
Australia672 Posts
March 09 2010 12:09 GMT
#296
UPDATE

20.Kb1 Qc6


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Sorry for the somewhat infrequent updates, uni is killing me.
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Lefnui
Profile Joined November 2008
United States753 Posts
March 09 2010 12:54 GMT
#297
This looks pretty drawish.

21.Rh4
Klive5ive
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom6056 Posts
March 09 2010 13:08 GMT
#298
21. Rh4
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We need to protect against Qe4 and can develop our rook at the same time; the other options are Rhe1 and Rde1.
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CubEdIn
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Romania5359 Posts
March 09 2010 15:49 GMT
#299
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What about 21. ...g5? I know it's not a particularly strong move by black but it's annoying. We won't have any place on the 4th rank to take our rook to, and we'll have to move it back to h3/h2/h1 (h2 being the best I think), none of which seem really useful at this point, and we'll have lost tempo (again).

If we play Rh4 and he also does a silent move like Kb8, then our best option in my view would be to capture on c5, forcing 22. ...Bc5. I played with this line a bit and it seems to increase our attacking potential.

Also, I don't see what's wrong with his Qe4. We would trade queens, and then as I see it, we would trade our bishop/pawn for his knight/pawn, which isn't the best thing at this moment but the positioning should still be on our side.

I fail to think of a better move than Rh4 though, even though I don't like it. I'd vote Re1 but that would make the game stall even longer.

So yeah, Rh4 it is then.


Vote: 21. Rh4
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Klive5ive
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom6056 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-09 16:08:17
March 09 2010 15:57 GMT
#300
On March 10 2010 00:49 CubEdIn wrote:
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What about 21. ...g5? I know it's not a particularly strong move by black but it's annoying. We won't have any place on the 4th rank to take our rook to, and we'll have to move it back to h3/h2/h1 (h2 being the best I think), none of which seem really useful at this point, and we'll have lost tempo (again).

If we play Rh4 and he also does a silent move like Kb8, then our best option in my view would be to capture on c5, forcing 22. ...Bc5. I played with this line a bit and it seems to increase our attacking potential.

Also, I don't see what's wrong with his Qe4. We would trade queens, and then as I see it, we would trade our bishop/pawn for his knight/pawn, which isn't the best thing at this moment but the positioning should still be on our side.

I fail to think of a better move than Rh4 though, even though I don't like it. I'd vote Re1 but that would make the game stall even longer.

So yeah, Rh4 it is then.


Vote: 21. Rh4

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Are you aware of En passant?
21. Rh4 g5
22. hxg6
We can take the g pawn if he moves past us.


Edit: What's with all the negativity?! Claiming it's a draw or we've somehow lost tempo. We're in a decent position with a lot of Chess to play ahead.
By the way, Karpov has been in this exact position a few times.
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