Man 'beats' World of Warcraft via Destructoid by Jim Sterling on 12/2/09
A Taiwanese man has been named the first ever person to successfully "complete" World of Warcraft, collecting the game's staggering 986 Achievements to effectively do everything there is to do in the hugely successful MMO. This is literally the most amazing news of the day.
'Little Gray" beat the game after killing 390,895 creatures, administering 7,255,538,878 points of damage, completing 5,906 quests (averaging 14 quests a day), raiding 405 dungeons and hugging 11 players. I believe we can safely add another statistic to the numbers -- he has had sex 0 times during this period.
Some nitpicky WoW f*ckheads are trying to downplay Little Gray's accomplishment, claiming he received one event-tied achievement (B.B King) due to a glitch, and did not win it fairly. You know what, though? Who the Hell cares? He's done more than any human being ever reasonably should, so let's not quibble over one little point.
He's a WoW player. He will probably achieve nothing else in life. Let the man have this.
out of curiosity, what were the achievements, i wouldve thought lots of people would've done all of them unless some of them are litterly like "kill 10,000,000 monsters without a party"
On December 10 2009 16:34 WhatisProtoss wrote: Man 'beats' World of Warcraft via Destructoid by Jim Sterling on 12/2/09
A Taiwanese man has been named the first ever person to successfully "complete" World of Warcraft, collecting the game's staggering 986 Achievements to effectively do everything there is to do in the hugely successful MMO. This is literally the most amazing news of the day.
'Little Gray" beat the game after killing 390,895 creatures, administering 7,255,538,878 points of damage, completing 5,906 quests (averaging 14 quests a day), raiding 405 dungeons and hugging 11 players. I believe we can safely add another statistic to the numbers -- he has had sex 0 times during this period.
Some nitpicky WoW f*ckheads are trying to downplay Little Gray's accomplishment, claiming he received one event-tied achievement (B.B King) due to a glitch, and did not win it fairly. You know what, though? Who the Hell cares? He's done more than any human being ever reasonably should, so let's not quibble over one little point.
He's a WoW player. He will probably achieve nothing else in life. Let the man have this.
He's a WoW player. He will probably achieve nothing else in life. Let the man have this.
Author is a dick. He reviews videogames for a living and has the nerve to say that this guy is wasting his life.
I think there is quite a difference between reviewing video games and a guy that has spent thousands of hours on a video game. For example, one guy gets paid to do what he does, the other pays to do what he does.
I bet multiple people play on that account playing 24 hours a day. I hear the first level 200 (maximum level possible) on Maple Story is actually like 10 people sharing the same account.
can somebody that plays WoW exemplify his achievement to those of us that have never played the game before? like, how HARD is doing what he just did? or how many hours of practice does it take? is he a pro or something like that? i mean im happy for him and everything but bcuz i havent played WoW i dont know the magnitude of his achievement :-/
On December 10 2009 17:03 XinRan wrote: I bet multiple people play on that account playing 24 hours a day. I hear the first level 200 (maximum level possible) on Maple Story is actually like 10 people sharing the same account.
Back in the good old days of d2, There were a group of like 30 europeans getting the barb 'War.zerk' (something like that) to level 99 back when it was almost impossible to do so. What they did was spawn diablo in an 8 player game and let the barb kill diablo. They would have multiple games ready for him just to kill diablo, they would clear all the levels ahead of him so he could just go from game to game killing diablo.
It still took them like 6 months of playing 24/7 for them to accomplish it, but they did it.
On December 10 2009 17:10 UGC4 wrote: can somebody that plays WoW exemplify his achievement to those of us that have never played the game before? like, how HARD is doing what he just did? or how many hours of practice does it take? is he a pro or something like that? i mean im happy for him and everything but bcuz i havent played WoW i dont know the magnitude of his achievement :-/
Think of it like this, over 12 or so million people play this game. And they play it often. And this is the first time that this has ever happened.
On December 10 2009 16:45 Ftrunkz wrote: out of curiosity, what were the achievements, i wouldve thought lots of people would've done all of them unless some of them are litterly like "kill 10,000,000 monsters without a party"
Just a small sampling of various wide-ranging achievements:
In the Trial of the Grand Crusader, reach a Tribute Chest with 50 attempts remaining and without allowing any raid member to die during any of the boss encounters in 25-player mode.
Kill 100 players in the Courtyard of the Ancients.
During the Feast of Winter Veil, use your Winter Veil Disguise kit to become a snowman and then dance with another snowman in Dalaran.
Earn the Challenger title in an arena season at level 80.
Win Arathi Basin with a score of 1600 to 0.
Defeat the 4 Horsemen in Naxxramas, ensuring that they all die within 15 seconds of each other in 25-player mode.
Complete 700 quests in Eastern Kingdoms.
Fish up a Sea Turtle mount from any fishing pool in Northrend.
Win a greed roll on a superior or better item above level 185 by rolling 100.
Equip an epic item in every slot with a minimum item level of 213.
Earn exalted status with and the right to represent every Alliance race's faction in the Argent Tournament.
There are alot of crazy things you have to do, and they range across the whole spectrum of the game, from pvp to crafting to raiding to holiday events to questing to exploring
On December 10 2009 16:45 Ftrunkz wrote: out of curiosity, what were the achievements, i wouldve thought lots of people would've done all of them unless some of them are litterly like "kill 10,000,000 monsters without a party"
Some of them are completely ridiculous and require hundreds of hours of mindless grinding/farming/questing just for single achievements. Some of them are just plain difficult and require doing raids without any wipes, no one dying, no mistakes during certain bosses, etc. And now there are over 1000 of them.
Poor guy is 986/1054 now. It's going to be awhile before anyone defeats Arthas for those achievements too.
On December 10 2009 17:03 XinRan wrote: I bet multiple people play on that account playing 24 hours a day. I hear the first level 200 (maximum level possible) on Maple Story is actually like 10 people sharing the same account.
Back in the good old days of d2, There were a group of like 30 europeans getting the barb 'War.zerk' (something like that) to level 99 back when it was almost impossible to do so. What they did was spawn diablo in an 8 player game and let the barb kill diablo. They would have multiple games ready for him just to kill diablo, they would clear all the levels ahead of him so he could just go from game to game killing diablo.
It still took them like 6 months of playing 24/7 for them to accomplish it, but they did it.
Aaah the classic Rusbarb vs Gerbarb lvl 99 race. :D
i don't get people being negative over this, i believe this achievement to require more dedication than climbing mount everest for example. He's done an impressive thing.
yea d2 laddering was insane too, they would even get someoen to scout XP shrines in the game to give the barb double xp for the kill, but really, this is waay more time consuming/difficult than what the d2 guys did, someone who didn't play wow can't imagine the effort you have to put into some achievements
To those who don't know exactly how ridiculous this is, there have been over ten million players for like over a year. Achievements have been in wow for like a year and a half. Given that it's taken eleven million players over a year and a half worth of potential play time, only one person has done this so far.
Some achievements require you to be very good in PvP.. like winning 10 games of arena in a row at a very high rating. Some require you to have 24 other extremely competant people who won't die in your raid and one-shot every boss fight.
Most of the achievements that were listed before this one have dozens and dozens of similar achievements. I'd say about 95% of the achievements could be earned, given enough time, by just about anybody on this forum. Others could take you and the people you raid with months and months of trial and error, even hundreds of attempts depending on how good the people you raid with are.
but aren't some quests level related - meaning that you cannot start or finish them after a certain exp level? Also , even if you could do the quest - won't some of the items not be there or not dropped by mobs because of the level you are or whatever? Furthermore, How can you do all the alliance quests when you are horde? How can you do the alchemy, enchantment, etc quests? How can you do all the class specific quests? And it is also impossible to do all the reputation quests because if you are friendly with one side, you are unfriendly with another who either attacks you or talks to you.
And what about all the bonus quests, and seasonal quests that are not always there to do? Also some quests have multiple choice quest lines and endings and you can't beat them and restart for the other quest line.
Does turning in cloth and other shit around the world count as a quest? There is 100s of these places all around. And this is all just PvE, im not even getting into the PvP and honor kill shit.
edit- I guess they aren't talking about quests but some specific list of shit you can do now.
On December 10 2009 17:03 XinRan wrote: I bet multiple people play on that account playing 24 hours a day. I hear the first level 200 (maximum level possible) on Maple Story is actually like 10 people sharing the same account.
Back in the good old days of d2, There were a group of like 30 europeans getting the barb 'War.zerk' (something like that) to level 99 back when it was almost impossible to do so. What they did was spawn diablo in an 8 player game and let the barb kill diablo. They would have multiple games ready for him just to kill diablo, they would clear all the levels ahead of him so he could just go from game to game killing diablo.
It still took them like 6 months of playing 24/7 for them to accomplish it, but they did it.
On December 10 2009 20:33 Piy wrote: 400 DAYS solid isn't even that long if you compare it to how long koreans play BW. I mean some can rack up that many hrs in a month and a half.
On December 10 2009 20:33 Piy wrote: 400 days solid isn't even that long if you compare it to how long koreans play BW. I mean some can rack up that many hrs in a month and a half.
On December 10 2009 17:10 UGC4 wrote: can somebody that plays WoW exemplify his achievement to those of us that have never played the game before? like, how HARD is doing what he just did? or how many hours of practice does it take? is he a pro or something like that? i mean im happy for him and everything but bcuz i havent played WoW i dont know the magnitude of his achievement :-/
It's a pretty huge achievement simply for the fact that he's the first person to ever get every achievement (pre-3.3), i've logged over 60 days and i'm not even half way to that mark
On December 10 2009 23:34 Hazard wrote: I wonder if he was alone playin for this char or his friends helped him.
I think he probably shared his account. He only became gladiator once, probably played by someone else. When I used to play WoW even with people online, don't know them irl, we shared accounts pretty easily. If your acc gets hacked/stolen etc you can get blizz to restore it.
Hmm... you havn't beat WoW until you've done this on every class in the game? Kid better plug that WoW mouse back in, put in on his WoW mousepad and start killing some mother fucking boars.
The one thing that never fails to infuriate me is the level of disdain certain groups of gamers feel for other groups. If there really were such a thing as an "absolute scale of nerdiness" (set by all the cool people which gamers are by definition not, of course), the accomplishments lauded on this site would rank right next to the WoW accomplishments described in the OP.
That's insane. This dude has incredible patience and dedication. I used to play WoW and to those who are wondering, getting all the achievements is just a mind boggling thing to do.
I mean, he's the only one to do it out of how many millions of players? That should tell you enough about how much time and effort it takes.
As with any type of extreme acomplishement that isnt winning the nobel prize or walking the moon it needs to be put down by people who consider themselves normal and think they live life as supposed and thus belive beeing "better at life".
I say each to her own and congrats to a major accomplishment and awesome devotion.
even considering his playtime the accomplishment is really ridiculous. there are sooo many players who have way more than a year logged on their account
On December 11 2009 01:59 Kyuki wrote: I say each to her own and congrats to a major accomplishment and awesome devotion.
I could be wrong, but the point is you can't possibly live a happy life if you devote your entire days to playing a computer game.
How can you be happy if you let go friends, girls, studying, work, and basically everything else, just to spend endless amounts of time playing your cow druid in some online game? I know because I've been a true hardcore WoW raider/guild master/raid leader before and it was a very, very shitty period of my life. I can't imagine someone feeling truly "ok" on the inside if they are living such a meaningless life.
On December 11 2009 01:59 Kyuki wrote: I say each to her own and congrats to a major accomplishment and awesome devotion.
How can you be happy if you let go friends, girls, studying, work, and basically everything else, just to spend endless amounts of time playing your cow druid in some online game? I know because I've been a true hardcore WoW raider/guild master/raid leader before and it was a very, very shitty period of my life. I can't imagine someone feeling truly "ok" on the inside if they are living such a meaningless life.
Did you know that you can make friends in guilds? There are more ways to meet people and because than just in real life. Did you not have friends at all in your own guild, which leads to the question why were you there in the first place then? As for studying, if he has so much time to play, he might be done with schooling already.
I'm almost certain the account is shared, but it's still very impressive. And he "beat" the game...right before a new patch got released with more achievements he now needs to complete.
On December 11 2009 01:59 Kyuki wrote: I say each to her own and congrats to a major accomplishment and awesome devotion.
How can you be happy if you let go friends, girls, studying, work, and basically everything else, just to spend endless amounts of time playing your cow druid in some online game? I know because I've been a true hardcore WoW raider/guild master/raid leader before and it was a very, very shitty period of my life. I can't imagine someone feeling truly "ok" on the inside if they are living such a meaningless life.
As for studying, if he has so much time to play, he might be done with schooling already.
Even better, he's probably collecting unemployment while wasting his life!
Since when are games a waste of life?^^ If anyone considers games a waste of life, I suggest they never revisit this forum and instead use their time on advertising to save needy children in Africa. :D
On December 10 2009 17:07 DeathSpank wrote: so whats he going to do now? I mean now he has nothing to do until the expo comes out! He's going to have a free time meltdown !
On December 11 2009 01:59 Kyuki wrote: I say each to her own and congrats to a major accomplishment and awesome devotion.
How can you be happy if you let go friends, girls, studying, work, and basically everything else, just to spend endless amounts of time playing your cow druid in some online game? I know because I've been a true hardcore WoW raider/guild master/raid leader before and it was a very, very shitty period of my life. I can't imagine someone feeling truly "ok" on the inside if they are living such a meaningless life.
As for studying, if he has so much time to play, he might be done with schooling already.
Wait, you do realize that a professional life follows schooling, right? That means he's unemployed. That's worse than failing at school. Barely worse.
this is a pretty damn amazing achievement. many of the achievements are extremely tough to get, and are essentially unattainable to any normal player, like battlemaster or salty. not to mention he would have to have gotten 2250+ in each arena bracket, which is no small feat either.
i honestly cant think of any video game "test" that could even compare.
On December 10 2009 17:07 DeathSpank wrote: so whats he going to do now? I mean now he has nothing to do until the expo comes out! He's going to have a free time meltdown !
He now has time to go into a silent rage.
He's famous now isn't he? You'll probably see him with a milling mass of fans basking in his aura of glory. I'm sure he would enjoy that, ha!
On December 11 2009 01:59 Kyuki wrote: I say each to her own and congrats to a major accomplishment and awesome devotion.
I could be wrong, but the point is you can't possibly live a happy life if you devote your entire days to playing a computer game.
How can you be happy if you let go friends, girls, studying, work, and basically everything else, just to spend endless amounts of time playing your cow druid in some online game? I know because I've been a true hardcore WoW raider/guild master/raid leader before and it was a very, very shitty period of my life. I can't imagine someone feeling truly "ok" on the inside if they are living such a meaningless life.
As been said already, the social enviroment you choose can work out in many diffrent ways, and it is a very subjective matter on how people work and how they feel dependant on their life situation.
As a former WoW hardcore raider/guild master/raid leader myself I thought the same as you did, that it was a very tough time in my life which lead to more misshap then joy and it was very time consuming (more time spent on the game offline than online T_T), but when I left it all it came down to me that it was really a true way of beeing part of a context. When I moved to where my awesome wife to be across the country I lost alot of that context I had in RL because I moved away from friends and family and only when I quit wow and the guild that was like a baby to me it dawned on me that it was something I needed (beeing part of a bigger picture) and need to find somewhere else now in a new enviroment.
Point is, while it perhaps wasnt your thing and you felt misserable over playing your game, your analogy and your background wont be replicated by anyone and anyones situation will always be diffrent and thus the outcome of life joy will differ.
Also we dont know shit about this person, and as said countless of times in this thread, his playtime shows nothing more than effectiveness and devotion rather than pretty much living online. We dont know how his life is or anything and thus have no right to judge.
Even if he is completely misserable and wants to suicide that does not belong here, there are probably quite the amount of people on these boards that are way less extreme in any other context that have feelings like that. What do we know really?
Really sick of all the people who can't handle a fucking game(im not referring to the guy in the article). I played WoW since the day it came out and I quit earlier this summer (because I didn't like how easy it got with WOTLK).
Me and a few friends made our own guild which eventually got in the top 10 in the server, and did we ever have problems "handling" WoW? Hell no -- it only took like 15 hours a week tops to do all the content every week. It never interfered with real life. My friends kept girlfriends, we all did great in college that semester, and I look back on playing WoW and I honestly kind of miss it -- the game is amazing (or well, it was better before the newest expansion IMO).
The funny thing I realized though (besides people taking the time out of their day to read about WoW players and then to insult them), is that they have no idea just how social that game is.
Granted, most WoW players I meet in real life are like autistic, but you know what? -- they suck at the game. Why? Because they can't operate in a social environment at all. WoW is a really simple game, it's just that the raids really require you to work together and enjoy working together.
The kids who can't follow directions, contribute to a guild, be optimistic, or agree to a loot system really are just terrible at the game and are probably worse at real life.
My god, I talk to these guys that quit WoW and "got their life back" and usually they really aren't doing much else with their lives anyways.
Yeah, you quit WoW -- now your back on online forums telling everyone your story, nice.
It's not addicting, you just suck as a person. Stop giving the game a bad rep.
lol, "can't live a happy life if you devote entire days to a game" -- i'd be jealous of anyone that enjoyed something that much.
sorry about the rant, and I'm aware most of the posts in here weren't anti-WoW.
Really sick of all the people who can't handle a fucking game(im not referring to the guy in the article). I played WoW since the day it came out and I quit earlier this summer (because I didn't like how easy it got with WOTLK).
Me and a few friends made our own guild which eventually got in the top 10 in the server, and did we ever have problems "handling" WoW? Hell no -- it only took like 15 hours a week tops to do all the content every week. It never interfered with real life. My friends kept girlfriends, we all did great in college that semester, and I look back on playing WoW and I honestly kind of miss it -- the game is amazing (or well, it was better before the newest expansion IMO).
The funny thing I realized though (besides people taking the time out of their day to read about WoW players and then to insult them), is that they have no idea just how social that game is.
Granted, most WoW players I meet in real life are like autistic, but you know what? -- they suck at the game. Why? Because they can't operate in a social environment at all. WoW is a really simple game, it's just that the raids really require you to work together and enjoy working together.
The kids who can't follow directions, contribute to a guild, be optimistic, or agree to a loot system really are just terrible at the game and are probably worse at real life.
My god, I talk to these guys that quit WoW and "got their life back" and usually they really aren't doing much else with their lives anyways.
Yeah, you quit WoW -- now your back on online forums telling everyone your story, nice.
It's not addicting, you just suck as a person. Stop giving the game a bad rep.
lol, "can't live a happy life if you devote entire days to a game" -- i'd be jealous of anyone that enjoyed something that much.
sorry about the rant, and I'm aware most of the posts in here weren't anti-WoW.
On December 11 2009 01:59 Kyuki wrote: I say each to her own and congrats to a major accomplishment and awesome devotion.
I could be wrong, but the point is you can't possibly live a happy life if you devote your entire days to playing a computer game.
How can you be happy if you let go friends, girls, studying, work, and basically everything else, just to spend endless amounts of time playing your cow druid in some online game? I know because I've been a true hardcore WoW raider/guild master/raid leader before and it was a very, very shitty period of my life. I can't imagine someone feeling truly "ok" on the inside if they are living such a meaningless life.
You guys are just distorting the points that I and some people brought up.
Playing WoW and completing every single achievement available in the game are two completely different things.
You can play WoW with different amounts of dedication. beating every single achievement in the game, on the other hand, requires INSANE amounts of time spent and ultimate dedication - which is why no one else has ever done it before. it's not something you can just log on, chill out for a while and accomplish. it takes a lot of effort, more so than a full-time job. which is why I think this guy is "sick" and needs help.
On a last note, I'm not anti-wow, quite on the contrary, it's by far the best MMORPG ever designed, which is why I got so addicted in the first place. but as someone who had a heavily MMORPG addiction-induced depression in the past, I kinda feel like it's my job to tell people that gaming can have a very negative impact in your life if you stop doing other things in order to get more play time. this is bad just like drug addiction or any other addiction for that matter.
If you think I'm completly wrong by thinking like this, and believe it's just fine to spend 14-16 hours playing a game every day while life just passes by, well, then I guess you have a different outlook of life than I do. but that's fine, you do whatever you want with your time.
It's actually really cool that there is so much stuff to do in WoW that only one person has ever accomplished this before. I never imagined the game would be that intense.
On December 11 2009 04:18 zazen wrote: You guys are just distorting the points that I and some people brought up.
Playing WoW and completing every single achievement available in the game are two completely different things.
You can play WoW with different amounts of dedication. beating every single achievement in the game, on the other hand, requires INSANE amounts of time spent and ultimate dedication - which is why no one else has ever done it before. it's not something you can just log on, chill out for a while and accomplish. it takes a lot of effort, more so than a full-time job. which is why I think this guy is "sick" and needs help.
On a last note, I'm not anti-wow, quite on the contrary, it's by far the best MMORPG ever designed, which is why I got so addicted in the first place. but as someone who had a heavily MMORPG addiction-induced depression in the past, I kinda feel like it's my job to tell people that gaming can have a very negative impact in your life if you stop doing other things in order to get more play time. this is bad just like drug addiction or any other addiction for that matter.
If you think I'm completly wrong by thinking like this, and believe it's just fine to spend 14-16 hours playing a game every day while life just passes by, well, then I guess you have a different outlook of life than I do. but that's fine, you do whatever you want with your time.
EDIT: Fixed some typos.
you seem to have a prejudice that people who play WoW a lot are missing out on life.
14-16 hours a day? it takes me 15 hours a week to run a top guild through all the raids. the people who get depressed and addicted and play 70 hours a week really are just terrible at the game.
i appreciate you caring enough to warn us -- but there are people here who actually have their lives under control and can enjoy a good MMO.
(as for the guy who "completed WoW," yeah he sounds like he was pretty bored, and the patch just came out so he still has a lot to do)
On December 11 2009 04:18 zazen wrote: You guys are just distorting the points that I and some people brought up.
Playing WoW and completing every single achievement available in the game are two completely different things.
You can play WoW with different amounts of dedication. beating every single achievement in the game, on the other hand, requires INSANE amounts of time spent and ultimate dedication - which is why no one else has ever done it before. it's not something you can just log on, chill out for a while and accomplish. it takes a lot of effort, more so than a full-time job. which is why I think this guy is "sick" and needs help.
On a last note, I'm not anti-wow, quite on the contrary, it's by far the best MMORPG ever designed, which is why I got so addicted in the first place. but as someone who had a heavily MMORPG addiction-induced depression in the past, I kinda feel like it's my job to tell people that gaming can have a very negative impact in your life if you stop doing other things in order to get more play time. this is bad just like drug addiction or any other addiction for that matter.
If you think I'm completly wrong by thinking like this, and believe it's just fine to spend 14-16 hours playing a game every day while life just passes by, well, then I guess you have a different outlook of life than I do. but that's fine, you do whatever you want with your time.
EDIT: Fixed some typos.
Alot of Starcraft progamers practice that much daily. Are they "sick?"
If you raid with one of the top guilds on the server, you'll find that a lot of the members have rewarding lives outside the game. I think the same characteristics that drive people to be at the top tier of video-games are the same characteristics that enable them to also achieve respectable levels of success outside it.
During the time I spent playing WoW I ended up in a variety of types of guilds on a couple different servers, and every single one of them had its few players who spent every waking moment logged on. It didn't seem to correlate much with their success or skill at the game, though.
Doing this takes way too much time. I can't even level to 80 without getting bored killing mobs. I stopped at 70 like 2 years ago and there's not really any urge to get higher.
On December 10 2009 17:03 XinRan wrote: I bet multiple people play on that account playing 24 hours a day. I hear the first level 200 (maximum level possible) on Maple Story is actually like 10 people sharing the same account.
yeah me and my friend chris did something like that on Maple Story. we shared one account with 4 people and got our character insanely high leveled. i think it was like 186 or something until we stopped. fun times lol.
A depressed guy with a MMO at hand is in a much better position than a depressed guy without anything at all. At least the first one has something to look forward to daily and is motivated to achieve some goals (probably meaningless but most goals in one's life are meaningless to others anyway) and doesn't feel alone while the second one has nothing but boredom and loneliness.
From the various examples of nerds and non-nerds I see around me clearly being a depressed nerd >>> being a depressed non-nerd. Yay!
On December 10 2009 16:34 WhatisProtoss wrote: Man 'beats' World of Warcraft via Destructoid by Jim Sterling on 12/2/09
Some nitpicky WoW f*ckheads are trying to downplay Little Gray's accomplishment, claiming he received one event-tied achievement (B.B King) due to a glitch, and did not win it fairly. You know what, though? Who the Hell cares? He's done more than any human being ever reasonably should, so let's not quibble over one little point.
He's a WoW player. He will probably achieve nothing else in life. Let the man have this.
On December 10 2009 16:34 WhatisProtoss wrote: Man 'beats' World of Warcraft via Destructoid by Jim Sterling on 12/2/09
Some nitpicky WoW f*ckheads are trying to downplay Little Gray's accomplishment, claiming he received one event-tied achievement (B.B King) due to a glitch, and did not win it fairly. You know what, though? Who the Hell cares? He's done more than any human being ever reasonably should, so let's not quibble over one little point.
He's a WoW player. He will probably achieve nothing else in life. Let the man have this.
am i the only who lmao at this?
probably, the rest of us probably know atleast one WoW addict.
On December 11 2009 06:47 Skyze wrote: Whats more lame than playing videogames all your life?? REVIEWING videogames all your life! This author is even more pathetic.
Dunno if you read the comments on the source website but they're really pathetic as well. Basically a bunch of insecure guys trying to persuade themselves that because they get laid from time to time their life doesn't suck.
On December 11 2009 06:47 Skyze wrote: Whats more lame than playing videogames all your life?? REVIEWING videogames all your life! This author is even more pathetic.
Agreed, video game journalists are really the bottom of the barrel.
On December 11 2009 06:47 Skyze wrote: Whats more lame than playing videogames all your life?? REVIEWING videogames all your life! This author is even more pathetic.
Yes. Getting paid to do something you enjoy is totally pathetic.
^^^^ Totally true, but it gets you a paycheck, whereas grinding away at WOW does not!
On December 11 2009 06:47 Skyze wrote: Whats more lame than playing videogames all your life?? REVIEWING videogames all your life! This author is even more pathetic.
i dont think that's pathetic at all 0_o
the journalist is just a douche, and I'm jealous that he gets paid to do something he's terrible at.
On December 10 2009 17:26 barth wrote: Does stuff like this actually require some skill or just months of playing?
i'm actually curious about this matter as well. is this inherently difficult to do or just require massive amounts of grinding?
edit: i guess meta sort of answers the question.
It's a kind of a mix of both but it definitely leans towards the latter. Arena does take a bit of skill (nothing close to starcraft though, I bet most players who are C or better on ICCup could have a 2200+ rating (pretty close to the highest rating you can get) easily if they had the right gear).
But the frustrating part about WoW is that it's not purely based on skill. You will have to grind a lot of hours (250-500+) in Battlegrounds to get the starter PvP set so that you won't get smashed in arena and then you have to wait to get enough arena points (you get a small amount every week, amount depending on your ranking) in order to start unlocking the next tier of gear, so that you can compete with the gear tier ahead of you. You can get to a reasonably high rating with average gear if you can work well with your teammate/teammates but it will still take a while to get the gear that competes with top rated teams.
It's a very slow, painful, and tedious process that is incredibly frustrating because if you don't get top gear by the end of a season, then when the next season (with new seasons come new gear, I think) starts, the same cycle will start all over again, where the rich get richer while the poor stays the same.
Basically, if you can get the gear necessary to compete for high ratings in arena, then it's pretty easy, just as long as you have pretty good reaction time, decent APM, and solid decision making.
Really sick of all the people who can't handle a fucking game(im not referring to the guy in the article). I played WoW since the day it came out and I quit earlier this summer (because I didn't like how easy it got with WOTLK).
Me and a few friends made our own guild which eventually got in the top 10 in the server, and did we ever have problems "handling" WoW? Hell no -- it only took like 15 hours a week tops to do all the content every week. It never interfered with real life. My friends kept girlfriends, we all did great in college that semester, and I look back on playing WoW and I honestly kind of miss it -- the game is amazing (or well, it was better before the newest expansion IMO).
The funny thing I realized though (besides people taking the time out of their day to read about WoW players and then to insult them), is that they have no idea just how social that game is.
Granted, most WoW players I meet in real life are like autistic, but you know what? -- they suck at the game. Why? Because they can't operate in a social environment at all. WoW is a really simple game, it's just that the raids really require you to work together and enjoy working together.
The kids who can't follow directions, contribute to a guild, be optimistic, or agree to a loot system really are just terrible at the game and are probably worse at real life.
My god, I talk to these guys that quit WoW and "got their life back" and usually they really aren't doing much else with their lives anyways.
Yeah, you quit WoW -- now your back on online forums telling everyone your story, nice.
It's not addicting, you just suck as a person. Stop giving the game a bad rep.
lol, "can't live a happy life if you devote entire days to a game" -- i'd be jealous of anyone that enjoyed something that much.
sorry about the rant, and I'm aware most of the posts in here weren't anti-WoW.
Well written.
I'd like to add that there are SO MANY people who refuse to abandon those stupid stereotypes. I play WoW as well, and I think it's fun. Why? Because I have 10+ IRLs in the same guild (I'm close friends to like 5-6 of them.). And people say WoW isn't a social game, that every damn WoW players is a complete social failure.
Just a funny experience I've had: I once were at a party and I talked with a group of guys who were extremely anti-WoW. They had the usual prejudices about WoW players. You know, doing nothing else than mindless farming, raiding 6 times a week, no girlfriend or any social life at all. Now, the thing is, I was and I am still the only one among us who have a girlfriend and who graduated from college (I think that's the corresponding name for schools after 9th grade, (15 years old in Sweden)) with above average grades etc.
But hey, WoW isn't really as great as it was before. I had a 1,5 year break during TBC and then started playing again in September this year. It's fun now because I raid with people I know and that I like. But when I've killed Arthas, I'm not going to keep playing WoW No point at all it seems. And the ideas they've come up with for Cataclysm is just terrible. Most of them.
Besides, SC2 beta might be out by the time my guild get to Arthas :D
On December 11 2009 04:18 zazen wrote: You guys are just distorting the points that I and some people brought up.
Playing WoW and completing every single achievement available in the game are two completely different things.
You can play WoW with different amounts of dedication. beating every single achievement in the game, on the other hand, requires INSANE amounts of time spent and ultimate dedication - which is why no one else has ever done it before. it's not something you can just log on, chill out for a while and accomplish. it takes a lot of effort, more so than a full-time job. which is why I think this guy is "sick" and needs help.
On a last note, I'm not anti-wow, quite on the contrary, it's by far the best MMORPG ever designed, which is why I got so addicted in the first place. but as someone who had a heavily MMORPG addiction-induced depression in the past, I kinda feel like it's my job to tell people that gaming can have a very negative impact in your life if you stop doing other things in order to get more play time. this is bad just like drug addiction or any other addiction for that matter.
If you think I'm completly wrong by thinking like this, and believe it's just fine to spend 14-16 hours playing a game every day while life just passes by, well, then I guess you have a different outlook of life than I do. but that's fine, you do whatever you want with your time.
EDIT: Fixed some typos.
Alot of Starcraft progamers practice that much daily. Are they "sick?"
Idk if it's just me but I found that it's pretty hard to compare Starcraft and WoW on a personal level. I'm not going to talk about progamers because I would just be talking out of my ass. I simply don't know enough about the culture in Korea and how well is starcraft accepted as an actual career path.
Now, the big difference that I see between Starcraft and WoW is that Starcraft is so much easier to put down, and that's not because it is a worse game. It's just that if I had an appointment or a class that I had to go to and I was in the middle of a starcraft block, then I could easily just decide that "Oh, I have class/appointment/friends call to hang out in X amount of time, I'll leave after this game." It was a clear and easy cut off point. I have nothing invested into Starcraft after a game is over. I will not stand to lose or miss out on anything just because I decided to stop playing at that time. And even I'm in the middle of a game and I have to go immediately, what do I lose? Around 100 points? That's something that I can easily make up for with one win. I also rarely play games that are longer than 40 minutes so it's pretty safe and easy to just call a cut off point at an hour before I have to leave.
But for WoW, there are such different factors that require so much more time. For one, raids. They can last anywhere from 2 to 6 hours. And it's an actual commitment that you put out there. If you leave in the middle of a raid, then the guild leader will see that you're less reliable than others and will be less likely to pick you for the next raid. Not to mention the fact of all the potential gear and downing bosses for the first time that you will end up missing by leaving early (a lot of guilds would give bonus points for first time downs). I can't count how many times when I turned down hanging out with friends because I was in the middle of a raid.
Idk, it just interfered with events in my day too much.
What can I say, I'm definitely impressed by his achievement. Personally, I think he went a bit too far but I also admire his ability to set an ambitious goal and accomplish it. As long as he derived self satisfaction and the playtime didn't disrupt his life to a level he didn't want, I say: meh, do what you like!
On December 11 2009 02:09 zazen wrote: I could be wrong, but the point is you can't possibly live a happy life if you devote your entire days to playing a computer game.
The belief that people cannot possibly be happy in life unless they approach it the same way you do is the one thing that's truly disgusting in the world.
WoW really went into the crap can when Wrath of the Lich King came out. I played the game solidly since it came out and enjoyed hard core raiding thoroughly and then WotLK came out and took every beat of difficulty out of the entire game.
It's almost like a slap in the face honestly. Whatever though, I quit back in April and I do not regret that decision.
he completed it all until the next patch comes out that is
i agree with the people claiming WoW has gone downhill can't believe they got rid of twinking , and now i heard the new raids last only 30 minutes? and gear is much easier to obtain the game just seems to casual orientated and easy mode nowdays
On December 11 2009 09:32 Jayme wrote: WoW really went into the crap can when Wrath of the Lich King came out. I played the game solidly since it came out and enjoyed hard core raiding thoroughly and then WotLK came out and took every beat of difficulty out of the entire game.
It's almost like a slap in the face honestly. Whatever though, I quit back in April and I do not regret that decision.
WoLK made it easier to level up to 80, the game is suppose to really start at 80. I'm guessing you weren't very good at the game?
Wow, you guys know that even B Team SC players play like 12 hours a day, don't get paid anything? That's unemployment too. Until they make it big, they are just like the WoW players you guys bash on who sit and play all day for a goal. Their goals are to become professionals (and LOL talk to anyone non-game about being awesome at SC or something, they'll be like.. uh.. why??) while this guy's goal was to get every achievement in game. Who are you to judge which goal is better? Where this WoW guy's goal is utterly obtainable (as he proved) the B team SC player may never get his goal and waste away into some useless PC bang assistant because he wasted all his time playing and not going to High School/College/etc.
On December 11 2009 09:32 Jayme wrote: WoW really went into the crap can when Wrath of the Lich King came out. I played the game solidly since it came out and enjoyed hard core raiding thoroughly and then WotLK came out and took every beat of difficulty out of the entire game.
It's almost like a slap in the face honestly. Whatever though, I quit back in April and I do not regret that decision.
WoLK made it easier to level up to 80, the game is suppose to really start at 80. I'm guessing you weren't very good at the game?
Levelling was never an obstacle to anyone remotely decent at the game, merely tedious.
On December 11 2009 09:47 lilsusie wrote: Wow, you guys know that even B Team SC players play like 12 hours a day, don't get paid anything? That's unemployment too. Until they make it big, they are just like the WoW players you guys bash on who sit and play all day for a goal. Their goals are to become professionals (and LOL talk to anyone non-game about being awesome at SC or something, they'll be like.. uh.. why??) while this guy's goal was to get every achievement in game. Who are you to judge which goal is better? Where this WoW guy's goal is utterly obtainable (as he proved) the B team SC player may never get his goal and waste away into some useless PC bang assistant because he wasted all his time playing and not going to High School/College/etc.
yes but isn't there much more people addicted to WoW than starcraft?
On December 11 2009 10:26 Alethios wrote: As long as the guy was happy while playing, meh. Good for him i guess.
Exactly. It's really this simple. He is doing something on his own free time, sustaining himself, and not bothering anybody else (or I thought so, WTF?), so let him do it. Lilsusie's starcraft comparison is good. I've seen some pretty intense starcraft fanboys on here that would probably be quick to laugh at a WoW-addict.
On December 11 2009 09:47 lilsusie wrote: Wow, you guys know that even B Team SC players play like 12 hours a day, don't get paid anything? That's unemployment too. Until they make it big, they are just like the WoW players you guys bash on who sit and play all day for a goal. Their goals are to become professionals (and LOL talk to anyone non-game about being awesome at SC or something, they'll be like.. uh.. why??) while this guy's goal was to get every achievement in game. Who are you to judge which goal is better? Where this WoW guy's goal is utterly obtainable (as he proved) the B team SC player may never get his goal and waste away into some useless PC bang assistant because he wasted all his time playing and not going to High School/College/etc.
yes but isn't there much more people addicted to WoW than starcraft?
The point is that playing WoW compulsively to obtain a goal is similar to playing SC to obtain a goal. There are more people (amateurs, courage participants, B teamers) than there are uber crazy WoW addicts like this guy.
Logging in to raid a few hours, or grind a few levels, play a little PVP... is the same as playing a few games of SC, finishing a campaign. People always think that all WoW players are all addicts...
On December 11 2009 03:01 esla_sol wrote: this is a pretty damn amazing achievement. many of the achievements are extremely tough to get, and are essentially unattainable to any normal player, like battlemaster or salty. not to mention he would have to have gotten 2250+ in each arena bracket, which is no small feat either.
i honestly cant think of any video game "test" that could even compare.
thats pretty easy. i had 2.6k + in 2v2 and 3v3, and 2.4k in 5v5.
On December 11 2009 09:47 lilsusie wrote: Wow, you guys know that even B Team SC players play like 12 hours a day, don't get paid anything? That's unemployment too. Until they make it big, they are just like the WoW players you guys bash on who sit and play all day for a goal. Their goals are to become professionals (and LOL talk to anyone non-game about being awesome at SC or something, they'll be like.. uh.. why??) while this guy's goal was to get every achievement in game. Who are you to judge which goal is better? Where this WoW guy's goal is utterly obtainable (as he proved) the B team SC player may never get his goal and waste away into some useless PC bang assistant because he wasted all his time playing and not going to High School/College/etc.
lilsusie knows.
And the funny thing is, you don't even need to play 12 hours a day to get all the achievements, i'm pretty sure it's possible to do it with 4 hours a day, if you put a little effort into it.
And also, i'm pretty sure this guy doesn't even come close to what pro starcraft gamers play.
Too bad it was a HE... wonder what people would have to say if it'd been a girl.
On a whole different note.... they should make an achievement for beating the guy who beat the world........ of warcraft. That's the achievement I want And plus, then he'd always be one achievement short.
Bottom line is that this guy is great at what he does. In fact, hes the BEST at what he does. He is probably revered by most of the WoW community. The funny part is that the people bashing him in the WoW community are all WoW players! Thats pure comedy right there. Perhaps that somewhat caused by jealously. Relatively speaking, most of you will never achieve anything this great in your entire life. I know I'm not. I'm mediocre at everything I do, and when I see someone thats better than me I am inspired. This guy put a lot of dedication into the game and I praise him for that.
For fucks sake, we watch Starcraft. We have ZERO business ridiculing other people for what they like to do.
In the great words of JC of NSYNC:
Now, why you wanna try To classify the type of thing We do 'Cause we're just fine Doin what we like Can we say the same for you?
On December 10 2009 16:37 lazz wrote: i wonder if he could beat a computer at starcraft
WIN. StarCraft > WoW
Do we have 11 million players too? :-D
"The first game of the StarCraft series was released for Microsoft Windows on 31 March 1998.[1] With more than 11 million copies sold worldwide as of February 2009, it is one of the best-selling games for the personal computer.[3]"
On December 10 2009 16:37 lazz wrote: i wonder if he could beat a computer at starcraft
WIN. StarCraft > WoW
Do we have 11 million players too? :-D
"The first game of the StarCraft series was released for Microsoft Windows on 31 March 1998.[1] With more than 11 million copies sold worldwide as of February 2009, it is one of the best-selling games for the personal computer.[3]"
wiki starcraft
Well there is a difference between amount SC copies sold and the subscriber count of WoW, the subscriber count is probably more accurate. I'm assuming it's subscriber count since that's generally what WoW is referenced with.
Also remember the Blizzcon numbers. It takes the entire Battle.net population to match WoW.
So is Blizzard going to send this guy anything? Though I don't play, it seems quite time consuming to achieve. They can send him some trophy which helps promote themselves and their game while only costing them a few dollars.
On December 11 2009 12:08 GrumpySmurf wrote: Too bad it was a HE... wonder what people would have to say if it'd been a girl.
The situation would be worse. They would call her ugly or fat while making comparisons in their head to some supermodel photos they see on the internet.
On December 11 2009 12:08 GrumpySmurf wrote: Too bad it was a HE... wonder what people would have to say if it'd been a girl.
The situation would be worse. They would call her ugly or fat while making comparisons in their head to some supermodel photos they see on the internet.
that or that she used her charms to have an army of nerds play her account so she could have a social life
On December 11 2009 09:32 Jayme wrote: WoW really went into the crap can when Wrath of the Lich King came out. I played the game solidly since it came out and enjoyed hard core raiding thoroughly and then WotLK came out and took every beat of difficulty out of the entire game.
It's almost like a slap in the face honestly. Whatever though, I quit back in April and I do not regret that decision.
WoLK made it easier to level up to 80, the game is suppose to really start at 80. I'm guessing you weren't very good at the game?
I don't know man.
Perhaps you didn't read the part where I said "ENJOYED HARD CORE RAIDING." Last time I checked you had to be max level to raid and trust me..leveling to 60...70...80 didn't exactly take effort. A retarded monkey could do it.
Raiding used to be a challenge, so much so that you actually had to think about how to kill a boss. You know that when Naxx at level 60 came out it actually took guilds around 3 months to beat everything in there?
The game used to be much much more difficult. Everything is very silver platter at the moment. Figuring out loatheb for the very first time...and four horsemen...and C'thun made playing the game worth it for me. That is gone now.
EDIT: To the people saying this didn't require this much effort uh you probably have no real clue what it entails to actually get all the achievements. Think about monotonously grinding a single monster for beads (YAY TIMBERMAW) for hours and hours and hours and hours and hours on end to get exalted reputation with it and then realize it's one of the less tedious ones to do...
I agree with you Jayme. Those PvP ones are no joke, and one would need a really good 5 man group for some of the heroic achievements... which means one needs good gear, which means raiding successfully...
He can't really say he has all of them anymore because Icecrown Citadel just came out. Umm I guess it might still be possible for people to get more achievements than him because of the Feats of Strength category?
edit: probably not. he has a bunch of server firsts to make up for it.
getting all the achievments is stupid, the best part of wow is the pvp whcih can be quite fun, and you only need to achieve 2200 in each bracket which is quite easy in wow. Raids can also be enjoyable on occasion but not at the length this is going to.
Perhaps you didn't read the part where I said "ENJOYED HARD CORE RAIDING." Last time I checked you had to be max level to raid and trust me..leveling to 60...70...80 didn't exactly take effort. A retarded monkey could do it.
Raiding used to be a challenge, so much so that you actually had to think about how to kill a boss. You know that when Naxx at level 60 came out it actually took guilds around 3 months to beat everything in there?
Yeah , they must have had complaints from people that play once a month that their couldn't compete in pvp because the hardcore guys had better gear or something
Last i heard WoW subscription numbers were delcining but i don't think there has been a numbers release for quite a while.Certainly alot of the newer content is pissing some of the long time players off.
4 horsemen tank transition was the shiz world 21st kelthuzad ftw. AQ gates event was the best event that ever happened my account got suspended maybe 4 times for griefing while the alliance was doing Kazzak, lol.
On December 11 2009 15:26 lilsusie wrote: I agree with you Jayme. Those PvP ones are no joke, and one would need a really good 5 man group for some of the heroic achievements... which means one needs good gear, which means raiding successfully...
Woah, i'm amazed how much you know about WoW :$.
..Eventhough the PvP ones are the easiest ones for me.
On December 11 2009 17:37 Matoo- wrote: daoc > wow
real pvpers will know what i'm talking about
shadowbane > daoc
real pvpers will know what i'm talking about
tibia+runescape pvp>all and you know what i'm talking about
I'm pretty sure you havn't tried wow at all, Valaki.
It was a joke :D Have you ver seen tibia or runescape pvp? Look for it on youtube, you'll laugh for sure, and yeah wow has the best pvp system out there, excluding the class balance.
On December 11 2009 17:37 Matoo- wrote: daoc > wow
real pvpers will know what i'm talking about
shadowbane > daoc
real pvpers will know what i'm talking about
tibia+runescape pvp>all and you know what i'm talking about
I'm pretty sure you havn't tried wow at all, Valaki.
It was a joke :D Have you ver seen tibia or runescape pvp? Look for it on youtube, you'll laugh for sure, and yeah wow has the best pvp system out there, excluding the class balance.
On December 11 2009 17:00 SwEEt[TearS] wrote: 4 horsemen tank transition was the shiz world 21st kelthuzad ftw. AQ gates event was the best event that ever happened my account got suspended maybe 4 times for griefing while the alliance was doing Kazzak, lol.
Haha back when I was playing in original wow, was a new server and was about the 3rd time kazzak had been attempted and we (an alliance guild) fought with another alliance guild and a horde guild to kill kazzak for 40~ hours all up. Fun times.
On December 11 2009 09:47 lilsusie wrote: Wow, you guys know that even B Team SC players play like 12 hours a day, don't get paid anything? That's unemployment too. Until they make it big, they are just like the WoW players you guys bash on who sit and play all day for a goal. Their goals are to become professionals (and LOL talk to anyone non-game about being awesome at SC or something, they'll be like.. uh.. why??) while this guy's goal was to get every achievement in game. Who are you to judge which goal is better? Where this WoW guy's goal is utterly obtainable (as he proved) the B team SC player may never get his goal and waste away into some useless PC bang assistant because he wasted all his time playing and not going to High School/College/etc.
yes but isn't there much more people addicted to WoW than starcraft?
The point is that playing WoW compulsively to obtain a goal is similar to playing SC to obtain a goal. There are more people (amateurs, courage participants, B teamers) than there are uber crazy WoW addicts like this guy.
Logging in to raid a few hours, or grind a few levels, play a little PVP... is the same as playing a few games of SC, finishing a campaign. People always think that all WoW players are all addicts...
Female logic at its best. Both are sitting in front of a computer!! It's the same thing!!! Starcraft is a lot more challenging and demanding. You learn about your weaknesses and strengths and other things you can transfer to your life. WoW just makes you dumb. It's a mindless grind. If someone plays chess 10 hours a day or grinds 10 hours a day in some mmo I won't judge you but if you can't see the difference...
On December 11 2009 09:47 lilsusie wrote: Wow, you guys know that even B Team SC players play like 12 hours a day, don't get paid anything? That's unemployment too. Until they make it big, they are just like the WoW players you guys bash on who sit and play all day for a goal. Their goals are to become professionals (and LOL talk to anyone non-game about being awesome at SC or something, they'll be like.. uh.. why??) while this guy's goal was to get every achievement in game. Who are you to judge which goal is better? Where this WoW guy's goal is utterly obtainable (as he proved) the B team SC player may never get his goal and waste away into some useless PC bang assistant because he wasted all his time playing and not going to High School/College/etc.
yes but isn't there much more people addicted to WoW than starcraft?
The point is that playing WoW compulsively to obtain a goal is similar to playing SC to obtain a goal. There are more people (amateurs, courage participants, B teamers) than there are uber crazy WoW addicts like this guy.
Logging in to raid a few hours, or grind a few levels, play a little PVP... is the same as playing a few games of SC, finishing a campaign. People always think that all WoW players are all addicts...
Female logic at its best. Both are sitting in front of a computer!! It's the same thing!!! Starcraft is a lot more challenging and demanding. You learn about your weaknesses and strengths and other things you can transfer to your life. WoW just makes you dumb. It's a mindless grind. If someone plays chess 10 hours a day or grinds 10 hours a day in some mmo I won't judge you but if you can't see the difference...
Please enlighten me and tell me what weaknesses and strengths have you transferred from Starcraft to your real life. I'm dying to know
On December 11 2009 09:47 lilsusie wrote: Wow, you guys know that even B Team SC players play like 12 hours a day, don't get paid anything? That's unemployment too. Until they make it big, they are just like the WoW players you guys bash on who sit and play all day for a goal. Their goals are to become professionals (and LOL talk to anyone non-game about being awesome at SC or something, they'll be like.. uh.. why??) while this guy's goal was to get every achievement in game. Who are you to judge which goal is better? Where this WoW guy's goal is utterly obtainable (as he proved) the B team SC player may never get his goal and waste away into some useless PC bang assistant because he wasted all his time playing and not going to High School/College/etc.
yes but isn't there much more people addicted to WoW than starcraft?
The point is that playing WoW compulsively to obtain a goal is similar to playing SC to obtain a goal. There are more people (amateurs, courage participants, B teamers) than there are uber crazy WoW addicts like this guy.
Logging in to raid a few hours, or grind a few levels, play a little PVP... is the same as playing a few games of SC, finishing a campaign. People always think that all WoW players are all addicts...
Female logic at its best. Both are sitting in front of a computer!! It's the same thing!!! Starcraft is a lot more challenging and demanding. You learn about your weaknesses and strengths and other things you can transfer to your life. WoW just makes you dumb. It's a mindless grind. If someone plays chess 10 hours a day or grinds 10 hours a day in some mmo I won't judge you but if you can't see the difference...
Please enlighten me and tell me what weaknesses and strengths have you transferred from Starcraft to your real life. I'm dying to know
Without Starcraft I wouldn't have made so much money at Poker. It taught me discipline and the need to analyse and reflect, not to let emotions take over and many more things. Chess and Starcraft are the only two games that gave me trouble sleeping because I couldn't stop thinking about different constellations and strategies. I don't play either anymore but Starcraft showed me that with dedication and focus you can achieve A LOT. And that's the main reason I love this game so much.
You're knocking down on "female" logic and yet you're just full of completely subjective bullshit. Sorry, but you're insanly ignorant.
You can argue all day long on how "rewarding" something is vs something else, but it's all gonna come down to what you do, and how you use it. Bringing up a example of SC and how YOU have used it, vs how YOU would've used (or used it?) WoW (Two diffrent cases) could be done in the EXACT same fashion Pro WoW vs con SC.
Sitting and working as a team to beat difficult bosses, creating social networks vs playing UMS SC all day. I wonder which is more rewarding and challenging?
On December 11 2009 09:47 lilsusie wrote: Wow, you guys know that even B Team SC players play like 12 hours a day, don't get paid anything? That's unemployment too. Until they make it big, they are just like the WoW players you guys bash on who sit and play all day for a goal. Their goals are to become professionals (and LOL talk to anyone non-game about being awesome at SC or something, they'll be like.. uh.. why??) while this guy's goal was to get every achievement in game. Who are you to judge which goal is better? Where this WoW guy's goal is utterly obtainable (as he proved) the B team SC player may never get his goal and waste away into some useless PC bang assistant because he wasted all his time playing and not going to High School/College/etc.
yes but isn't there much more people addicted to WoW than starcraft?
The point is that playing WoW compulsively to obtain a goal is similar to playing SC to obtain a goal. There are more people (amateurs, courage participants, B teamers) than there are uber crazy WoW addicts like this guy.
Logging in to raid a few hours, or grind a few levels, play a little PVP... is the same as playing a few games of SC, finishing a campaign. People always think that all WoW players are all addicts...
Female logic at its best. Both are sitting in front of a computer!! It's the same thing!!! Starcraft is a lot more challenging and demanding. You learn about your weaknesses and strengths and other things you can transfer to your life. WoW just makes you dumb. It's a mindless grind. If someone plays chess 10 hours a day or grinds 10 hours a day in some mmo I won't judge you but if you can't see the difference...
I'm glad that SC taught you something you could transfer over to poker. However, there are tons of SC players in Korea who probably played more than you who are shit at poker. (I have my sources) When you raid in WoW you learn teamwork, you learn how to take orders from a leader or even to be a leader. You learn to find different strategies for a group where in SC you might do it individually. In PvP, getting to know each class and their weakness/strengths is a feat on it's own - makes you more perseptive and it's definitely help me have faster reflexes for certain things.
Socially, you need to keep a certain reputation so it can even possibly help someone home social skills if they are in a guild or a raiding group.
You can go on and argue your point, saying that this is "female logic" (YAY COMPUTERS! TEEHEE!) but what you are arguing is purely subjective. You hone different skill sets as they are different games, different TYPES of games.
The whole point was that people as bashing on this guy for obtaining his goal of having all the acheivements because he's "wasting time in front of a computer". What I'm saying is yes, a lot of SC players do the same. A lot of WoW players do the same. But as you wouldn't call JD a loser for winning an OSL - stop judging a guy for winning something that could be of a similar calibur in his world.
On December 11 2009 09:47 lilsusie wrote: Wow, you guys know that even B Team SC players play like 12 hours a day, don't get paid anything? That's unemployment too. Until they make it big, they are just like the WoW players you guys bash on who sit and play all day for a goal. Their goals are to become professionals (and LOL talk to anyone non-game about being awesome at SC or something, they'll be like.. uh.. why??) while this guy's goal was to get every achievement in game. Who are you to judge which goal is better? Where this WoW guy's goal is utterly obtainable (as he proved) the B team SC player may never get his goal and waste away into some useless PC bang assistant because he wasted all his time playing and not going to High School/College/etc.
yes but isn't there much more people addicted to WoW than starcraft?
The point is that playing WoW compulsively to obtain a goal is similar to playing SC to obtain a goal. There are more people (amateurs, courage participants, B teamers) than there are uber crazy WoW addicts like this guy.
Logging in to raid a few hours, or grind a few levels, play a little PVP... is the same as playing a few games of SC, finishing a campaign. People always think that all WoW players are all addicts...
Female logic at its best. Both are sitting in front of a computer!! It's the same thing!!! Starcraft is a lot more challenging and demanding. You learn about your weaknesses and strengths and other things you can transfer to your life. WoW just makes you dumb. It's a mindless grind. If someone plays chess 10 hours a day or grinds 10 hours a day in some mmo I won't judge you but if you can't see the difference...
Please enlighten me and tell me what weaknesses and strengths have you transferred from Starcraft to your real life. I'm dying to know
Without Starcraft I wouldn't have made so much money at Poker. It taught me discipline and the need to analyse and reflect, not to let emotions take over and many more things. Chess and Starcraft are the only two games that gave me trouble sleeping because I couldn't stop thinking about different constellations and strategies. I don't play either anymore but Starcraft showed me that with dedication and focus you can achieve A LOT. And that's the main reason I love this game so much.
So are you saying that without starcraft you wouldn't be so good at Poker and wouldn't have made so much money? I find it strange that you have learned discipline, analyzing and how to reflect via starcraft, because that's what people actually learn in life when they grow up. Also not letting emotions take over do you really think it's not a good thing? Keeping emotions to yourself only make's people apathetic.
I'm sorry if this is too personal or something I just find this very interesting because i am actually making study of how people grow to their "feelings" and never thought one could achieve it via game .
His /played must be crazy though. The "harder" achievements I think are actually the ones that involve blind luck which can take forever. BG ones can be rigged with help from the opposing faction, Arena is somewhat difficult but it's something that can be learned, raiding of course needs to be in a great guild. But something like fishing for that sea turtle for example.. I believe someone in the EU has over 10k casts and still no luck getting that.
So are you saying that without starcraft you wouldn't be so good at Poker and wouldn't have made so much money? I find it strange that you have learned discipline, analyzing and how to reflect via starcraft, because that's what people actually learn in life when they grow up. Also not letting emotions take over do you really think it's not a good thing? Keeping emotions to yourself only make's people apathetic.
I'm sorry if this is too personal or something I just find this very interesting because i am actually making study of how people grow to their "feelings" and never thought one could achieve it via game .
After thinking it about some more... When I was young I did a lot of different sports I competed in a national tournament once but everything that I did just came natural I didn't think about it too much. When I started playing Starcraft this changed. I remember reading Brattsunamis zerg guide and I completely inhaled every little bit of it. This was the first time in my life that I was really interested in the theoretical side of something. When I put the praxis and theory together it was astonishing how quickly you can get good at Starcraft and enjoy it even more. Basically Starcraft showed me that theory actually can be interesting and when you put theory and praxis together you excel at whatever you do.
About emotions: When I was a kid and played tennis I always got mad at myself when I did a stupid mistake. Then I got mad for getting mad which made me lose focus. After a match you're tired you won't analyse and reflect everything. At least I didn't. I only dealt with emotions while playing. After a game of Starcraft or Poker it's different. Your brain is still working at full capacity and you are forced to deal with your emotions. Starcraft helped me change my mindeset from 'Why am I raging so much. Stop raging!' to 'Okay, I am pissed. I lost. What can I do better next time?' Nowadays I let my emotions go free when I play basketball or a videogame with friends. I don't take everything so seriously anymore. But when I play poker I acknowledge my emotions and then put them away. Still sometimes I wish there would be a switch to turn on 'Cold blooded killer' ^_^
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