guess I should mention that I play. I am really bad though. Generally don't lose the game for the team but at the same time I don't really do much that helps win the game for the team.

Southlight

United States11768 Posts

February 05 2010 20:37 GMT

#924

On February 06 2010 03:52 Mogwai wrote:
EDIT: it's apparently 1:1 AP scaling on both bash and ult... Guess I'll stick to stacking damage builds :p

Actually 1:1 is pretty damn good. Interesting.
Still only see damage pantheons though, so I guess people don't want to rely on his ult.

Mogwai

United States13274 Posts

February 05 2010 21:17 GMT

#925

well, with 8 seconds from when you start casting to when you actually do the damage, I'd say it's hard to "rely" on his ult, even if you're very good with the timing and the placement of it. I don't mind trying experimental shit though, so why don't we come up with a starting point for an AP build for me to test out...

I'd say that starting Meki Pendant + 2 health potions is still optimal, as there's nothing wrong with his early game and that lets your build to fiendish codex early. Would sorc boots make sense or would it be better to do mercury treads/boots of swiftness? From there, I'd assume going soulstealer but after that, I'm at a bit of a loss for what to do...

Southlight

United States11768 Posts

February 05 2010 21:24 GMT

#926

Nah, I just thought if his ult could do a heck of a lot of damage it's a very nasty disruptive force in later-game team fights, but I don't know if you can force it to do *enough* damage. It'd also depend on your team - it's like a dual threat sort of thing. If, for instance, a Master Yi is hacking away at their team, and you launch your ult over their whole team, they have to choose whether to stay or fight, and sans teamwork/voice chat it's very hard for them to make a unified decision. But then if they stay, can your ult punish them for it? I don't know the answer to that. I was hoping it could, and 1:1 AP ratio is the same as Sion, so... I dunno.

Mogwai

United States13274 Posts

February 05 2010 21:37 GMT

#927

At Level 3, his ult does 1000 base damage to the center of where he lands, so I'd say it could punish them for that :p. I guess it matters a lot whether AP buffs to the damage have the same radius degradation as the base damage or if it's a flat addition to everywhere within the radius.

suffeli

Finland772 Posts

February 05 2010 22:11 GMT

#928

Been playing this at night when I have some free time...

Feel free to add me ID: suffeli

b3h47pte

United States1317 Posts

February 05 2010 22:37 GMT

#929

Riot needs some better programmers or they need to move off Adobe AIR. PVP .NET screws up so much.

Mogwai

United States13274 Posts

February 06 2010 00:35 GMT

#930

rofl, tried AP panth and it's terrible. about halfway through the game I sold all my AP shit and just bought a BF Sword and did way better from there out :p

EchOne

United States2906 Posts

February 06 2010 01:08 GMT

#931

Just played a game where we went 5 tanks (Alistar, Mundo, Blitz, Udyr, Kat going tanking build) for fun. Alistar/Mundo got raped by Shaco/Gang (our Mundo player is bad and had never played Mundo before) while our Udyr/Blitz raped their Panth/Alistar. Kat died once to Annie in mid. From there we owned the midgame via many ganks from Udyr and Blitz.

Ok here's what was annoying. So we had map control late game and won most of the team fights. We gunned for Baron twice. Both times the enemy team stole the kill with Gang's ult and Pantheon's ult. Obviously the Pantheon died every time for it, but it still contributed to our ultimate loss. Overall our strategy (multi lane push coordination) and composition (5 tanks stacking tanking items rofl) was poor, so we really shouldn't have lasted 50 minutes. We were still winning team battles up to the very end (we half-wiped them every time they stole Baron) but they eventually prevailed by backdooring our inhibitors.

Overall I don't think the Pantheon ult kill steal is viable since it's ridiculously hard to time. Our team had no crit-based DPS, but any normal team should finish Baron at an unpredictable rate.

Anyone have pro-tips for post-patch Udyr? I've read guides on the official forums' comprehensive list, LoL wiki, and leaguecraft.com, as well as threads on solomid.net, but if anyone has advice here I'd love to hear that too.

HeavOnEarth

United States7087 Posts

February 06 2010 01:25 GMT

#932

^rofl at baron KS

Southlight

United States11768 Posts

February 06 2010 03:09 GMT

#933

I find Udyr plays exactly the same as before. As I mentioned some pages ago, the nerf isn't enough to nerf the reason why he's strong (Phoenix Stance single-highest DPS skill in the game, and Bear Stance makes it nearly impossible to run from him). I still jungle into ganking DPS tank, and the nerf didn't even force me to bring Rally over Exhaust.

EchOne

United States2906 Posts

February 06 2010 03:24 GMT

#934

Southlight can you give me a rundown of how exactly you jungle with him? What stances do you get and how often do you use them? I've tried a few builds but they don't seem very efficient. I found that I can kill Golem at level 1 with Cloth Armor, 5 pots, smite/rally, and turtle, but after that I'm too low to take the Lizard and must farm lesser mobs.

Southlight

United States11768 Posts

February 06 2010 03:38 GMT

#935

Sent you a pm with precise details, but he doesn't need buffs to jungle; you should save buffs for teammates or for actual usage. It drives me insane when ppl snag buff and don't use it. If I get lizard buff it is "go-time" for slaughter. When someone takes it from me and goes creeping I feel like smashing my head against a wall.

Tooplark

United States3977 Posts

February 06 2010 05:59 GMT

#936

I set up a chat channel for TL members. Join LiquidParty.

I'm now in the market for a microphone. Any recommendations?

HeavOnEarth

United States7087 Posts

February 06 2010 07:37 GMT

#937

Wowwww its lagging so bad now. Can't even play =/

-orb-

United States5770 Posts

February 06 2010 09:45 GMT

#938

On February 05 2010 00:53 Brees wrote:
I ran into some Tlers yesterday, was playing AP shaco on my smurf :D

rhavanna, twinsendude, some others.

its not always fun playing on inept now, so tryhard!

orly? Did you point yourself out? I vaguely remember someone saying they were from TL on the enemy team for some game

sighhhhh servers are down for maintenance.

I GUESS ILL HAVE TO GO TO SLEEP

GGTeMpLaR

United States7226 Posts

February 06 2010 19:03 GMT

#939

this game is awful for one sole reason
+ Show Spoiler +

I am left-handed, play with the mouse in my left-hand, and in windows enabled "reverse primary and secondary mouse buttons". Most games use this default setting in-game. LoL does not, nor does it have the ability to reverse the buttons in-game, or keybind the buttons manually to match the default setting I have set for windows. This basically makes the game unplayable for me and any other left-handed player like myself who has reversed the primary/secondary mouse buttons.

bellweather

United States404 Posts

February 06 2010 19:17 GMT

#940

On February 07 2010 04:03 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
this game is awful for one sole reason
+ Show Spoiler +

That's pretty shitty. I thought I saw something in the options menu for this, but I could be mistaken.