EPTI join the TL channel quite a bit, but they're all lv30's D:
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Abenson
Canada4122 Posts
I join the TL channel quite a bit, but they're all lv30's D: | ||
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Sharac
Germany16 Posts
I do the same thing. I don't expect to get a kill via frost arrow pre-level 6. So i'd rather have that extra 150-180 gold from creeps than mana draining frosts. PB/volley/PB/volley/PB/arrow. who needs frost shot when you have red buff?[/QUOTE] How do you get 150-180 extra gold befor lvl 6 that are equal to around 60-80 Creeps. I mean you can farm well with Ashe but not that much in this short amount of time. I always felt like when i get bounty so early i tend to miss the extra slow from frost arrow around lvl 10 | ||
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Zato-1
Chile4253 Posts
On June 05 2010 17:18 InsideTheBox wrote: Mord is a horrible tank. How exactly does he prevent the opposition from getting to your ranged teammates? If you don't build him dps he is a non-issue in team fights and will be ignored. I think this point's been stated quite a few times. He excels at "tanking" during the early game and plateaus very quickly in this regard. You're better off hedging your bet, going dps and using his natural survivability as a bonus considering he's a melee champ. Meh, I regularly play with a good Morde who tanks better than any Shen I've ever seen, so I can't agree with your first statement. He's totally useless when it comes to protecting melee DPS though, so we have to take an all-ranged supporting cast. | ||
NonY
8751 Posts
Our currently preferred champs: Me: Ryze, Soraka Bro: Ashe Friend: Anything But I think we're all willing to play any champ. Oh and if it's a champ that has different viable builds, but only one of those builds makes sense for synergy with the other champs, mention that please =] PS: I had a new best game w/ Ryze! 25-5-14. Full soulstealer + golem + frozen heart + ryze's passive = constantly casting spells. Cooldowns cease to exist haha. And of course I have the mana to do it too. I've had some fun success countering people's magic resist with the magic penetration items. There'll be one fight where I take some free shots at the tank and it barely scratches him. Then I get more magic pen and next time he runs out, he loses half his health and can't tank anymore. | ||
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petered
United States1817 Posts
Nony, you should probably get advice from a better player, but I think singed is a great laning partner. If you work together the glue stick/fling can be fun for combos, and he is rather tanky, which is a good compliment to ryze who happens to die really easy. I am sure there are better champs out there for that purpose, but I think he is one of the most fun characters to use. | ||
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hasuprotoss
United States4668 Posts
On June 06 2010 00:00 Zato-1 wrote: Meh, I regularly play with a good Morde who tanks better than any Shen I've ever seen, so I can't agree with your first statement. He's totally useless when it comes to protecting melee DPS though, so we have to take an all-ranged supporting cast. Well, isn't that the point of a tank? I don't want to kite an entire team just so my Morde tank can sit there and output all the damage as our entire team gets slaughtered. | ||
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oberon
United States1320 Posts
On June 06 2010 00:35 Liquid`NonY wrote: Can anyone recommend me some good combos of champs for 3 people playing in 5v5? I play with my brother and a friend, always 5v5, and I'm wondering what we could do that'd have good synergy. Our currently preferred champs: Me: Ryze, Soraka Bro: Ashe Friend: Anything But I think we're all willing to play any champ. Oh and if it's a champ that has different viable builds, but only one of those builds makes sense for synergy with the other champs, mention that please =] PS: I had a new best game w/ Ryze! 25-5-14. Full soulstealer + golem + frozen heart + ryze's passive = constantly casting spells. Cooldowns cease to exist haha. And of course I have the mana to do it too. I've had some fun success countering people's magic resist with the magic penetration items. There'll be one fight where I take some free shots at the tank and it barely scratches him. Then I get more magic pen and next time he runs out, he loses half his health and can't tank anymore. The obvious answer is a heal-spam team that includes a tank, because tanks are unusual. So, probably Soraka, Ezreal, and either Taric, Alistair, or Shen. If you don' t mind switching champs, I think Janna is currently better than Soraka. Post-patch, Ez is getting nerfed, so he could be switched out. The point is that a boatload of heals + a tank is a very good start. You're basically missing a ranged DPS, and those are easy to find usually. Even if you draw crappy teammates (gangplank and Tryndamere, hooray!) you'll still have a shot. | ||
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Soloside
United States1238 Posts
On June 06 2010 00:00 Sharac wrote: How do you get 150-180 extra gold befor lvl 6 that are equal to around 60-80 Creeps. I mean you can farm well with Ashe but not that much in this short amount of time. I always felt like when i get bounty so early i tend to miss the extra slow from frost arrow around lvl 10 You need to learn to last hit then. Getting 60-80 creeps at level 6 is easy to achieve. | ||
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FlameSworD
United States414 Posts
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Mazer
Canada1086 Posts
On June 06 2010 02:12 Soloside wrote: You need to learn to last hit then. Getting 60-80 creeps at level 6 is easy to achieve. I used to go PB/Volley all the time but I have been skipping PB for a while now. I just find being able to harass the other person is a much bigger bonus than the < 200 gold. Even without getting a kill, I can usually shut down their mid fairly easily unless they are playing Ashe also or a good red elixir Panth. If they have to back once before 6, they will have lost a lot of gold from missed creeps (much more than you'd gain from PB). As well, if they ever get a bit careless it's a free kill. Plus, you get the option of an easier gank at the 2v2 lanes and it also may save your ass when you're being chased early on. And don't say 'you can get red buff instead' because everyone knows buffs aren't always available and you probably won't get it before level 6. Frost harass > PB imo. | ||
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oberon
United States1320 Posts
On June 05 2010 13:29 Southlight wrote: Used to be Aegis -> Sunfire stack, I think I'm just gonna use the Amumu build tho (HoG -> Sunfire). And for runes? I'm currently using my DPS page, so it's aspd/flat health/-CD/flat health, but that seems completely wrong for a tank (better than my caster page though). | ||
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Soloside
United States1238 Posts
On June 06 2010 02:54 Mazer wrote: I used to go PB/Volley all the time but I have been skipping PB for a while now. I just find being able to harass the other person is a much bigger bonus than the < 200 gold. Even without getting a kill, I can usually shut down their mid fairly easily unless they are playing Ashe also or a good red elixir Panth. If they have to back once before 6, they will have lost a lot of gold from missed creeps (much more than you'd gain from PB). As well, if they ever get a bit careless it's a free kill. Plus, you get the option of an easier gank at the 2v2 lanes and it also may save your ass when you're being chased early on. And don't say 'you can get red buff instead' because everyone knows buffs aren't always available and you probably won't get it before level 6. Frost harass > PB imo. You normally don't want to gank with ashe until she gets arrow because she's so frail and has no escape skills minus the summoner ones. And you can easily take red buff at before or after your initial gank when you turn 6. As for harassing the person you're in the lane against. Just conserve mana while you constantly harass with ashe's 600 range auto attack. Once you hit level 7 and have 210 mana, arrow + volley + hit. | ||
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Gokey
United States2722 Posts
Solo, whatever new character u playing, better be good, don't want to babysit ur ass even more than usual lol. | ||
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Zato-1
Chile4253 Posts
On June 06 2010 01:21 hasuprotoss wrote: Well, isn't that the point of a tank? I don't want to kite an entire team just so my Morde tank can sit there and output all the damage as our entire team gets slaughtered. The point of a tank is to be in front, protect your teammates, and initiate. Morde just fails at protecting melee DPS, in my experience. On June 06 2010 02:18 FlameSworD wrote: what about sunfire mordkasier is he any good That's the item my usual morde tank stacks in the mid-late game. Couldn't say what his initial item build is off the top of my head. | ||
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
On June 06 2010 00:35 Liquid`NonY wrote: Can anyone recommend me some good combos of champs for 3 people playing in 5v5? I play with my brother and a friend, always 5v5, and I'm wondering what we could do that'd have good synergy. Our currently preferred champs: Me: Ryze, Soraka Bro: Ashe Friend: Anything But I think we're all willing to play any champ. Oh and if it's a champ that has different viable builds, but only one of those builds makes sense for synergy with the other champs, mention that please =] PS: I had a new best game w/ Ryze! 25-5-14. Full soulstealer + golem + frozen heart + ryze's passive = constantly casting spells. Cooldowns cease to exist haha. And of course I have the mana to do it too. I've had some fun success countering people's magic resist with the magic penetration items. There'll be one fight where I take some free shots at the tank and it barely scratches him. Then I get more magic pen and next time he runs out, he loses half his health and can't tank anymore. Why don't you just find 2 people to play with in Liquidparty? Getting 2 pugs all the time must suck. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
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Zato-1
Chile4253 Posts
On June 06 2010 04:32 Shikyo wrote: PB is useless, what the >_> I thought people here were good That's my impression, too :p | ||
NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
I tend to jungle with Morde, starting with Wraith camp and working around the small camps, sometimes encroaching over to the other team's jungle at times (mostly their Wraith camp as well). Do Lizard at level 5, gank at 6. Max E first, then W. No points into Q until E and W are done. Like when you play Warwick, you have to pay attention to who has Cleanse on the loading screen. At best, you hit a champion with your ulti and Ignite that doesn't have Cleanse or has used Cleanse against a CC from someone else on your team. At worst, you Ignite early, forcing them to use their Cleanse, then ulti right after. Never Ignite/Ulti a champion that has Cleanse without knowing that it's on cooldown. That's just wasting your kill potential. Item build is Mallet, Tabi/Merc, Phantom Dancer, FoN/GA. This enables Morde to chase and slow a single target for a long time. In 1v1 situations, the enemy won't be able to run away. With PD and FoN, Morde will move faster than most champions without ghost. Tabi, PD and dodge runes allows for a lot of dodging potential. Mallet and Lizard means a ton of slow. Stacking Sunfires is another possible build, works well in tandem with Morde's W and definitely helps with jungling as well. @ NonY For a Ryze/Ashe/xxx team, I'd probably recommend a tanky melee DPS. Jax or Garen. Either is a good option since they have great burst and can stun/silence a target, preventing the enemy from escaping after an Ashe arrow or Ryze prison. @ Ashe users Volley > Frost Arrow > Plentiful Bounty Chances of you getting Lizard buff consistently (especially in a pug game) is rather low. As DPS carry, you need some sort of soft CC to help catch champions. Volley + Frost toggle is great for kiting, probably the best in the game. You should be able to farm well, even without PB. And get out of using PB since Riot is replacing that skill in a patch from now. | ||
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pokeyAA
United States936 Posts
It was Me (gragas) yi, ashe, heim, nidalee against Janna, Pantheon, Zilean, TF, Fiddle Their Janna/Pantheon lane straight up owned early game. Pushed us mid, and got us to last towers. But I told my team to turtle, and we turtled our way back to a comeback win! Good thing their pantheon fucked up late game, and got like brutalizer, boots, and 4 bloodthirsters. No HP ftw! He went up like 24 kills/12 deaths/? assists and still lost haha. | ||
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Balzy
United States113 Posts
 ) but feel i like Ryze more. stun isnt skill shot, ult costs no mana, etcNow after doing a bit of reading about him apparently there was a nerf to his flux that removed some magic pen debuff or something? I just wanted to ask the community whether or not i should waste my points on him if he just gets rolled at higher levels (im only lvl 9). Can a current or former high level Ryze player lend me some advice? | ||
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