EPTid go with drop his allies and run away ~
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HeavOnEarth
United States7087 Posts
id go with drop his allies and run away ~ | ||
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Zato-1
Chile4253 Posts
On May 21 2010 10:08 HeavOnEarth wrote: ideally, he shouldnt be doing entirely too much damage, and when his allies die it should hopefully be 2v1 but morde does a ton of damage without any damage items so meh. id go with drop his allies and run away ~ Pretty much. Morde is mighty on his own, but he's a terrible tank because since he's tough and his teammates are not, everyone just ignores him and there's nothing he can do to force enemies to focus on him- no crowd control, no burst, no mobility; no tools to help his team win team fights, basically. | ||
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rredtooth
5459 Posts
On May 19 2010 21:55 Mogwai wrote: i've been stomped by a pantheon before and i almost exclusively take mid. wasn't a fun experience. almost had me screaming OP til i remembered that he falls off late game. he's a more polarized kat IMO (better early, worse late).practice game 1v1 sivir vs. Pantheon with me sometime. it's a nightmare. EDIT: I've only ever seen one pantheon competently take mid other than myself, so I'm not sure if it's something that most people have much of an understanding about. You just don't see much Pantheon these days, and when you do, the Trist/TF/Ashe/Ez will bitch him out if he wants mid and not move, so you have to lane most of the time in solo queues anyway. On May 21 2010 03:23 Mogwai wrote: i've started que-dodging shacos haha. there's a few that i know that i won't que dodge but he really is worthless. can't jungle fast enough and is way too fragile. the lvl 2 gank is overrated too. there's been times when one tried to kill me mid and i just did shunpo+bb+ignite+flash/shunpo and stole the red buff. shacos are usually dumb.Shaco drives me crazy. He can gank like a madman, have a massively positive ratio, and still he gets to the end game and is a worthless fuck who makes me want to punch my computer screen. honestly i've had trouble against some of the randomest characters at mid though. like there was one game where i was just dominated by a soraka mid. the aforementioned panth facestomped me and a turret heim gave me some trouble too. just goes to show that there is at least SOME degree of skill involved in playing a hero. | ||
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rredtooth
5459 Posts
On May 21 2010 10:33 Zato-1 wrote: i thought this too until a morde just dominated a game i was in. i'll try to find the log and upload it to get his build and his name. but this guy was somehow insta-gibbing people in the midgame and was 12-1 or something by the end of the game. it was a jaw-dropping performance.Pretty much. Morde is mighty on his own, but he's a terrible tank because since he's tough and his teammates are not, everyone just ignores him and there's nothing he can do to force enemies to focus on him- no crowd control, no burst, no mobility; no tools to help his team win team fights, basically. edit: i do remember he had sunfire cloaks. but he was doing massive AoE damage. curious as to what his rune/mastery setup is. edit: actually is there any way to "read" your LoL logs? uploading to lolbase seems to be the only option but i can't remember which game it was and i don't want to upload all of them. | ||
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FlameSworD
United States414 Posts
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Zato-1
Chile4253 Posts
On May 21 2010 11:21 redtooth wrote: i thought this too until a morde just dominated a game i was in. i'll try to find the log and upload it to get his build and his name. but this guy was somehow insta-gibbing people in the midgame and was 12-1 or something by the end of the game. it was a jaw-dropping performance. edit: i do remember he had sunfire cloaks. but he was doing massive AoE damage. curious as to what his rune/mastery setup is. edit: actually is there any way to "read" your LoL logs? uploading to lolbase seems to be the only option but i can't remember which game it was and i don't want to upload all of them. I'm not surprised. It's not _that_ uncommon to see a fed Mordekaiser with an impressive performance while his team is sucking. I've had this happen several times. Big fight comes, everyone ignores Morde and focus on his teammates, all of Morde's teammates die but he manages to finish off two enemy champions his teammates almost killed. Repeat this scenario two or three times, and you get an overleveled Morde with lots of kills and few deaths, while the rest of his team is gimped because Morde gives them zero support and they die a lot. In other words- yes, Morde can be super scary, but he's not a terribly useful champion for his team. | ||
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rredtooth
5459 Posts
On May 21 2010 12:51 Zato-1 wrote: he wasn't fed when he started insta-gibbing people. and these weren't big team fights where he got ignored. he literally popped out of bush and someone died. it was amazing.I'm not surprised. It's not _that_ uncommon to see a fed Mordekaiser with an impressive performance while his team is sucking. I've had this happen several times. Big fight comes, everyone ignores Morde and focus on his teammates, all of Morde's teammates die but he manages to finish off two enemy champions his teammates almost killed. Repeat this scenario two or three times, and you get an overleveled Morde with lots of kills and few deaths, while the rest of his team is gimped because Morde gives them zero support and they die a lot. In other words- yes, Morde can be super scary, but he's not a terribly useful champion for his team. | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
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Iplaythings
Denmark9110 Posts
On May 21 2010 03:23 Mogwai wrote: Shaco drives me crazy. He can gank like a madman, have a massively positive ratio, and still he gets to the end game and is a worthless fuck who makes me want to punch my computer screen. ??? The only problem I had was being squishy, but when I had around 700 AP my 2shiv hit for around 1k dmg. As long as I didnt fuck up on when to attack I wrecked their Ashe / Ryze. | ||
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rredtooth
5459 Posts
On May 21 2010 14:47 Iplaythings wrote: you wont hit 700 AP in a normal game. if you are then you're playing with baddies. AP shaco is all about jitb traps and people learn to avoid them.??? The only problem I had was being squishy, but when I had around 700 AP my 2shiv hit for around 1k dmg. As long as I didnt fuck up on when to attack I wrecked their Ashe / Ryze. edit: although if you play on EU then its a different story. | ||
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hasuprotoss
United States4612 Posts
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rredtooth
5459 Posts
hope his runes/mastery setup stayed the same. | ||
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CompX
Canada216 Posts
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Ota Solgryn
Denmark2011 Posts
This guy is also one of the best summoners I have played with at knowing precisely how much dmg he can dish out over a set time compared with the hero or heros he is fighting. So he often wins these 2v1 fights with 100 hp or less. And no it is not just noob stomping, it's a 5 man premade all with ok elo. | ||
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Zato-1
Chile4253 Posts
On May 21 2010 14:26 redtooth wrote: he wasn't fed when he started insta-gibbing people. and these weren't big team fights where he got ignored. he literally popped out of bush and someone died. it was amazing. That's... curious. Morde's sustained damage isn't bad, but his burst sucks, in my experience. It'd be interesting to see a Morde who's a real asset to his team one of these days :p | ||
suffeli
Finland772 Posts
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oberon
United States1320 Posts
On May 21 2010 22:41 Zato-1 wrote: That's... curious. Morde's sustained damage isn't bad, but his burst sucks, in my experience. It'd be interesting to see a Morde who's a real asset to his team one of these days :p I've seen something SORTA like this with Morde going through all his skills, plus ignite, but it only works up to the early mid game. Maybe he was running flat AP and hoping no one had MR (or cleanse)? | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
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Southlight
United States11767 Posts
I can't count the number of times I've lost because of Shaco... being on my team. It's far, far under a positive ratio. We're talking like 5 wins 30 losses sort of performance. I'd queue-dodge him but there're too many stupid Shaco players that I just hope for the best and get ready to take the loss. | ||
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HeavOnEarth
United States7087 Posts
i have to say he is pretty worthless midgame while building this though | ||
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