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briann
Profile Joined December 2009
United States121 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-17 23:27:16
May 17 2010 23:26 GMT
#4261
Its really great since you are a HoN player there are many changes but it still stays true to the original

here is a summary of why we play LoL ( from first page of this thread )
+ Show Spoiler +
On May 03 2010 01:45 Zato-1 wrote:
Show nested quote +

I've never played HoN, but I did play a good deal of DotA, the predecessor of both HoN and LoL. These are the most notable differences between LoL and DotA, IMO:

- LoL allows you to reconnect to matches you've disconnected from, and even gives your hero a 'Teleport Home' command as soon as it notices you've disconnected.

- Somewhat less crowd-control. You can still get crowd controlled to death depending on the enemy team composition in LoL, but there are big differences anyway: Whereas in DotA, Balanar could silence you for 8 seconds with a skill, the LoL equivalent is Soraka's Infuse, which deals 250 damage and a 3 second silence; where in DotA the Tidehunter could stun your entire team for 2.25 seconds with his ultimate, Amumu's ultimate in LoL is very similar but it only prevents the enemies from moving and attacking, not from casting; finally, if the enemy team is going heavy on crowd-control, you can buy Mercury Treads in LoL, which reduce the duration of crowd controls by 40%.

- LoL never deselects your hero, which is nice.

- Easily visible AoE ranges on spells; you can be using a hero for the very first time, and you can still quickly get a good idea of the range and area of their spells.

- Better item management. You want to buy a Mjollnir in DotA? Then you have to buy a Mithril Hammer, Gloves of Haste, the Maelstrom recipe, the Mjollnir recipe, and finally take a trip to Leragas' shop to buy a Hyperstone. In LoL, you can just buy the final item for the total cost of all the components; and even if you're not well-acquainted with the items from LoL, every hero gets a set of recommended items that can get you started without having to pore over the entire item database first.

- Ability Power scaling. Spell damage gets outscaled towards the endgame pretty badly in DotA; this is not the case for LoL. Just like physical damage types can buy items to increase their damage and attack speed, caster types can buy items to increase their ability power and reduce their ability cooldowns.

- Better armor & magic armor system. It's intuitive and well thought-out.

- LoL games feel faster-paced than DotA games.

- Death is less harsh on those who die, but can be more rewarding for the player who kills you in LoL (with Blade of the Occult / Leviathan / Mejai's Soulstealer items).

- No creep denying. Early game isn't about denying your own creeps, but more about harassing the enemy champions in LoL.

- Better hotkey set: QWER for your three standard abilities and your ultimate on every hero.

- Shopping while dead: You can browse the shops and even buy and sell items while dead.



not too sure about competitiveness but other users should know
oberon
Profile Joined May 2009
United States1320 Posts
May 18 2010 00:02 GMT
#4262
On May 18 2010 08:19 BDF92 wrote:
hey guys, now that hon beta is over, Im looking to LoL. I played it a bit when it was in beta, and it seemed a bit childish and somewhat bad. I guess I didn't really give it much of a chance, how do you guys like it? Is it competitive at all?


LoL is highly competitive. I'm not sure where you got "childish" (other than maybe Annie?). It's a pretty excellent game, and I found it scaled vastly better than HoN (i.e. in your first few games you're bad, but not bad enough to eliminate your team entirely on your own, and you never run out of "better than you" players). It's missing some key features (observer, replay, tournaments, actual ratings (as opposed to internal ratings...it's a long story)), but most importantly it's a blast to play.
oberon
Profile Joined May 2009
United States1320 Posts
May 18 2010 00:06 GMT
#4263
In other news: I'm trying to add even more situational variety to my Fiddle builds (it seems like the key with Fiddle is less getting specific items, and more about getting items which are effective against the other team). I'm consider trying out Lichbane (which seems nasty with fear), and Raduin's Omen (health/armor are nice, and the active would be a great follow-up to keep people from escaping my crowstorm) -- the latter obviously as a last item.

Anyone tried either of these on Mr. Le Sticks?
rredtooth
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
5461 Posts
May 18 2010 00:15 GMT
#4264
On May 15 2010 13:52 mptj wrote:
Hey redtooth, check me out before you say shit. If u wanna get ur ass kicked in game, add me as ttnjwk, and watch ur ass get rolled in a practice game by a tristana. BTW, i got over 700 wins >.>
lol ok i listened to your advice and actually checked you out. checked your profile and must say i'm not impressed. only +57 with almost 1400 games played isn't something to be bragging about. plus only 50% winrate with THE #1 HERO IN THE GAME. then i headed over to lolbase.net and checked out your registered matches. couldn't recognize a single high-ELO name nor could i connect any of them to one. then i remembered you said trist was the #1 hero and i just stopped caring.

listen, i'm sorry but you're not good. right now elo is just a measurement of E-PEEN but it still does give a decent measurement of how good someone is. for example i know i can rely on what southlight and members of his premade (baikinman, mogwai, etc) say because we sometimes que up against the same recognizable people. yiruru is probably still the #1 authority in this thread. i'll listen to brees too because he's played against some of the people i que up against. but for you (a random nobody) to come into this thread and start shitting on it and challenging people is just ridiculous.

/rant
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Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
May 18 2010 00:46 GMT
#4265
^^^^ for the HoN-asking-if-LoL-is-competitive people.

In other news, I feel like a ward bitch now.
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-18 00:48:59
May 18 2010 00:46 GMT
#4266
Any one who is lvl 10-20 add me please so we can play! Every one on liquidparty is lvl 30 and I can't play with them since I have no runes.

ShakeDrizzle
And if you are lvl 30 and want to help me or something, add me!
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
May 18 2010 00:47 GMT
#4267
lol

get em redtooth!
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-18 00:48:27
May 18 2010 00:47 GMT
#4268
On May 18 2010 08:19 BDF92 wrote:
hey guys, now that hon beta is over, Im looking to LoL. I played it a bit when it was in beta, and it seemed a bit childish and somewhat bad. I guess I didn't really give it much of a chance, how do you guys like it? Is it competitive at all?

It's competetive but sadly there aren't too many tournaments since there is no obs or replay mode yet, they will add that. With that being said, you can watch high level streams where people stream them playing in tournies.

http://www.solomid.net/livestream.php
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
rredtooth
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
5461 Posts
May 18 2010 00:53 GMT
#4269
On May 18 2010 09:47 HazMat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2010 08:19 BDF92 wrote:
hey guys, now that hon beta is over, Im looking to LoL. I played it a bit when it was in beta, and it seemed a bit childish and somewhat bad. I guess I didn't really give it much of a chance, how do you guys like it? Is it competitive at all?

It's competetive but sadly there aren't too many tournaments since there is no obs or replay mode yet, they will add that. With that being said, you can watch high level streams where people stream them playing in tournies.

http://www.solomid.net/livestream.php
not always lol. grackis streams there and he's a baddie.
[formerly sponsored by the artist formerly known as Gene]
RoieTRS
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States2569 Posts
May 18 2010 00:54 GMT
#4270
Apparently http://www.runeterra.com is supposed to be the new go-to place for LoL.. I hear solomid is dying or something.
konadora, in Racenilatr's blog: "you need to stop thinking about starcraft or anything computer-related for that matter. It's becoming a bad addiction imo"
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
May 18 2010 00:54 GMT
#4271
He also seems like an even bigger dick than me, and that's saying something.

Yowza.
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
fadestep
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States605 Posts
May 18 2010 00:55 GMT
#4272
Add me in game: DazzL.

I'm pretty high ELO on the US server, frequently que with players from the very old top 500 list and players regarded currently as very high.

My win/loss is about 300-200, but that isn't really an indicator of your ELO/skill. Its who you beat, not how many times you beat them.

Saw something about Fiddlesticks and Lich Bane. No. Same with him and Randuins Omen, which is good on your tank, not your AoE mage.

Fiddle doesn't scale very well off AP, so you want to stack a mix of health and magic pen. I recommend you figure out how to jungle as him, but if you would rather lane then just get an early catalyst and make it into a RoA. Add in a haunting guise and sorc shoes (+20 magic pen each) and an abyssal sceptre or void staff (sceptre for squishies, void staff for tanks). Mixing in a leviathan somewhere if you are getting a lot of kills and are alive enough to keep up the stacks can make you a real juggernaut.

I am more than happy to look at/answer other questions. Also, solomid has some decent players but the quality has gone way down. Nobody respects them anymore and less and less people want to stream there or play with those guys.

clgaming.net is a good place to watch quality players as well as livestream.com/phreakwr

not a hero
rredtooth
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
5461 Posts
May 18 2010 00:59 GMT
#4273
phreak is bad too. some of solomid players (elementz in particular) are still cool. reginald is a bitch.

yeah omen on fiddle is a bad idea.

also the "metagame" change southlight is always talking about is making kat a better and better mid. her midgame burst damage makes her a great ganker so she can roam like a boss. haunting guise + Q gives her a pretty decent selfheal too.
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Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
May 18 2010 01:01 GMT
#4274
Yea, the old tier lists, mine included, are getting fairly whack. I personally love how Riot managed to tweak the old problem (of 5v5 ganksquad from level 7+) without revamping the game.
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
jtbem
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada1404 Posts
May 18 2010 01:07 GMT
#4275
So i'm new to this game, have never played hon/dota either. what do i need to know? i've only played 2 games so far
aka Sowelulol
Frolossus
Profile Joined February 2010
United States4779 Posts
May 18 2010 01:14 GMT
#4276
play a few practice games with different champions to find one you like
make sure you play the tutorial if you havent already
oberon
Profile Joined May 2009
United States1320 Posts
May 18 2010 01:32 GMT
#4277
On May 18 2010 09:55 ichangedmyname wrote:
Fiddle doesn't scale very well off AP

Really? +2.4, +3.5, +1.75 isn't scaling well with AP? Yes, it requires maximum time/bounces to get that, so it's usually lower, but even half that is best-in-the-game scaling.

In other news, your RoA advice contradicts your AP advice -- if you don't care much about AP, why not build that catalyst into veil?

Anyway, I appreciate your attempt to help, but I'm looking for people who have actually tried those items, not theorycrafting.
oberon
Profile Joined May 2009
United States1320 Posts
May 18 2010 01:34 GMT
#4278
On May 18 2010 09:59 redtooth wrote:
yeah omen on fiddle is a bad idea.


Why? I mean, I know it looks insane, but CD reduction is great on Fiddle (more fear is always good, and it makes jungling buffs faster), and one of Fiddle's biggest issues is being FFed, especially when storming in. If the other team is DPS heavy, it seems like a reasonable counter. The active just makes you even better for AoE blasting teamfights, which is one of Fiddle's main jobs.
Tooplark
Profile Joined October 2008
United States3977 Posts
May 18 2010 02:40 GMT
#4279
The question isn't "does the item help Fiddle", it's "is it cost effective and are there better options for doing what it does?"

Unrelated random question: against who are Banshee's Veils particularly effective?
WHAT POW'R ART THOU WHO FROM BELOW HAST MADE ME RISE UNWILLINGLY AND SLOW
briann
Profile Joined December 2009
United States121 Posts
May 18 2010 02:46 GMT
#4280
On May 18 2010 10:07 jtbem wrote:
So i'm new to this game, have never played hon/dota either. what do i need to know? i've only played 2 games so far



watch that its very helpful also a few random pointers


dont just get starter items, there are many guides around the net that provide tips on items
remember each time you get killed by your oponant they gain a fairly significant amount of gold making then have stronger items and be harder to kill
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