hmm, maybe. That might explain the one game where we got completely fuckstarted while we romped all the rest of our games. Either way, other teams were not going for immediate Lizard Buff and neither were we, so that's not the game flow we experienced.

I think the map is pretty limiting in terms of hero options even if the game doesn't involve level 1 Lizard 3v3s. Anyone who requires considerable farm to be efficient sucks and many support heroes feel hugely gimped (for instance, I think Alistar is fucking terrible on the map). Healers seem much worse too since picking up an Executioner's Calling and activating it at the right time seems much simpler.

Also, does anyone know if they made it so that TF's Stacked Deck doesn't damage buildings on all maps or is that a TT specific thing?

Brees

Marshall Islands3404 Posts

March 31 2010 17:06 GMT

#2323

only won one game so far where we lost fight at lizard, and thats only because I carried my team with AP Sion(who is ridiculous on this map)

any character with a spammable shield or rapid lifesteal - Udyr/Sion/Mundo/warwick is just nuts on this map. My personal favorites so far are sion, nunu, udyr

Gao Xi

Hong Kong5178 Posts

March 31 2010 17:42 GMT

#2324

ugh, Laddering with random people is gay, lost like 4 straight and now im under 500.

Out of the few games that i played on TT, the game didn't start out with a liz fight. O_O

ZERG_RUSSIAN

10417 Posts

March 31 2010 19:03 GMT

#2325

There are only a few squishies that I'll even consider playing on TT, mainly tristana because her dps is so sick lategame for taking down towers after you ace the other team and chasing with lizard is so easy because your team is always there to catch up to the runners.

Anyone else with low hp is terrible though, there's no point in playing them even if they have like 3 stuns because they'll die so fast it won't matter.

Oh yeah, and Mordekaiser is top 5 TT 100%, changing a 3v3 into a 2v4 and still being able to 2v2 even if both of your teammates are dead is so sick. One of the games I played we had a Mordekaiser 1v2 vs TF and Yi both almost fully farmed at their fountain with a dead teemo ghost and they just straight up couldn't take him.

Mogwai

United States13274 Posts

March 31 2010 19:31 GMT

#2326

The problem with Mord is that he loses a lot of punch in the early team fights in the jungle where he doesn't have enough creeps around to charge his shield. He's still a house on TT, but I think his lack of any CC really hurts and I'm actually not sure I'd put him in the top 5.

ecnahc

United States395 Posts

March 31 2010 20:25 GMT

#2327

Best TT heros are gank centric map control heros, and any hero with a good blink to abuse over the 82309423 walls.

Mogwai

United States13274 Posts

March 31 2010 20:31 GMT

#2328

yea, I think my first impression is that Shaco's the best on the map, and if I had to round out a top 5, I'd probably say Kassadin, Shen, Ezreal, and Nidalee in no particular order. I haven't seen a good Mundo on the map yet though, so he might be top 5 over Shen or Ezreal.

ecnahc

United States395 Posts

March 31 2010 20:44 GMT

#2329

So far, in no particular order of preference the strongest heroes I've seen on TT are: Mundo, Nidalee, Jax, Tristana, Shen, Kayle, Teemo, and Shaco. I've only played about 10 games though, so far.

Mogwai

United States13274 Posts

March 31 2010 20:54 GMT

#2330

Jax and Tristana seem odd on there to me now that I've played the map, just cause I think they both really shine in the late game and there is no late game on TT.

ecnahc

United States395 Posts

March 31 2010 21:03 GMT

#2331

Jax is great because he doesn't need that much farm, he really only needs it in 5v5 because there's so much damage going on that he needs the hp. In 1v1, 1v2, 2v2 fights jax is nigh unkillable with just dodge boots and parts of GRB. Tristana, though is probably personally preference I love the mobility the super long range rocket jump gives, and the ability to gib a wave in 1-2 seconds post level 7 and get back to the action as soon as possible. There's also the standard Tristana bonuses of, incredible 1v1 potential, incredible escape potential, high base HP, incredible range, etc.

Southlight

United States11767 Posts

March 31 2010 21:07 GMT

#2332

Jax gets hammered by a fairly standard Mundo/Kass team :x

ecnahc

United States395 Posts

March 31 2010 21:15 GMT

#2333

Probably so, haven't played with or against Kassadin yet, and nobody I know plays Jax. I've just seen terrible people do rather OK. His hero design seems to me it would fit small scale fights really well, too.

aTnClouD

Italy2428 Posts

March 31 2010 21:16 GMT

#2334

How would you build shaco on TT? I have a full crit dmg rune page and go for damage, not sure if it's too good though :\

ComusLoM

Norway3547 Posts

March 31 2010 21:20 GMT

#2335

Rammus is amazing on this map too. The ability to disable anyone for 3 seconds coupled with the fact that it's hard for 5 heroes to kill him let alone 3 makes him ridiculously strong if you have teammates who can back you up. Also instant tower kills (pretty much) once he reaches 11-12 makes for a quick bd with the rest of your team.

Unentschieden

Germany1471 Posts

March 31 2010 21:42 GMT

#2336

Rammus needs items though. And given that Jax and Mundo are super popular Taunt isn´t THAT great...
On TT your Budget is really low, calculate with about 4k Gold. This means more mid Tier items like Spirit Visage Wardens Mail (gasp) or Brutalizer. Very Important: Elexiers. If I even have to mention wards...(Sneaky option:get oracles even if there ISN´T a Twitch. Either there are wards to kill or your opponents are bad anyway) Games are decided within 20 Minutes. Temporary buffs are much much better than saving for a expensive item that you will not get before the Game ends.

ZERG_RUSSIAN

10417 Posts

March 31 2010 22:41 GMT

#2337

GRRRRR sorry guys the power went out for like an hour RIGHT as we were queuing, it sucked. Did we win?

No way, huh?

ZERG_RUSSIAN

10417 Posts

March 31 2010 22:43 GMT

#2338

Also, on the TT discussion, all of your lists are missing Sion, because seriously he's mundo + a stun, and you can turn enrage off and on with no cooldown.

bellweather

United States404 Posts

March 31 2010 22:59 GMT

#2339

On April 01 2010 07:41 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
GRRRRR sorry guys the power went out for like an hour RIGHT as we were queuing, it sucked. Did we win?

No way, huh?

No worries; we did get rolled pretty hard though.