EPTNBA 09-10: The Roundball Rock - Page 20
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Ace
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
The Wizards make me cry. | ||
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tonight
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SK.Testie
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tonight
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il0seonpurpose
Korea (South)5638 Posts
On November 10 2009 06:08 tonight wrote: AI said with the pistons he didn't care if he had to come off the bench until he was on the bench. I'm sure it was the same with the Grizzlies too. Yeah I remember that, he probably said this to get a job. | ||
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
On November 10 2009 06:08 tonight wrote: AI said with the pistons he didn't care if he had to come off the bench until he was on the bench. I'm sure it was the same with the Grizzlies too. That's true, and it kinda illustrates the crossroads he's at, because for the most part he's said he's not satisfied with himself as a bench player and would rather retire, yet both times he's joined a new team he's attempted to say that he's fine with winning in whatever role. Personally I don't believe the latter, because it just sounds like typical team-first political talk. I mean he's not exactly backed it up in both places has he? :p I do remember though that when he joined the Grizzlies he was pumped up about starting and leading the team forward, though, which is why I pointed out that I thought either the Grizzlies didn't communicate with him properly as he rehabbed or they flat-out lied to him. I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt that it's the former, because really, you don't usually lose your starting job from injury. | ||
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
I can understand if Iverson signed with a team like Boston, San Antonio, or the Lakers and came off the bench - these teams are proven winners and someone like Iverson would be FORCED to conform to their team attitudes. A shitty team like Memphis though - he's the type of guy who was probably expecting to lead the team back to mediocrity, not to play the leader/mentor role for developing players. Due to how shitty the Memphis organization is, I'm not surprised this happened | ||
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Southlight
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Xeris
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A3iL3r0n
United States2196 Posts
If I was Memphis, I would rather give playing time to the young guys who actually could be playing for my franchise for another 7-10 years. No reason to waste valuable playing time on a player who is going to retire soon, and isn't going to lead your team to a championship or even the playoffs for that matter. | ||
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HonestTea
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
The problem with Memphis is they signed Iverson for the tickets he could generate. But then you see Mike Conley playing like shit and you understand that if they played Iverson it might be a good idea after all. | ||
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A3iL3r0n
United States2196 Posts
On November 10 2009 09:45 Ace wrote: He's not a bad shooter at all especially considering he played for the Sixers all those years when he literally had no help from Eric Snow in the back court. He's a career .425 shooter which isn't bad at all. All the negative press he's gotten over the years obviously skews so many opinions against him. The problem with Memphis is they signed Iverson for the tickets he could generate. But then you see Mike Conley playing like shit and you understand that if they played Iverson it might be a good idea after all. That's not a bad shooting percentage for a guard, but when you see how many shots a game he took, and to be fair on some of those Sixer teams he was supposed to shoot a lot, you'd rather have a higher percentage shooter taking those shots instead. Sure, he was a spectacular player, but that doesn't win a lot of games. It wins some, but I'd rather have Rondo than even a young AI. Iverson is just a shooting guard in a point guard type body, not something that is all that attractive to have. Think of how good Allen Iverson could have been if he approached the game like Chris Paul. Instead, he relied on his insane athleticism, never developed a jump shot or really ran an offense. Plus, he's a bitch who thinks he's bigger than the game. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
Also you've got it a bit mistaken. Iverson didn't have to develop his game like Chris Paul. If you remember Iverson came into the league as a Shooting Guard - not a point guard. Eric Snow was running point in Philly anyway (for the latter years). Besides he's going to the Hall of Fame so how much better did he really need to be? He made it all the way to the NBA Finals with pretty much just Mutumbo and literally CARRIED Philly on his back season after season. I'm starting to think you didn't watch a lot of Sixers games if you think Iverson never developed a jumpshot :/ | ||
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HonestTea
5007 Posts
AI at his best had the ability to cause chaos in the defense like none other. He would use that chaos to score and to set up his teammates. If for once in his life AI had teammates of his calibre, we wouldn't even be having this conversation. People like to say that "AI can't play with teammates" but that's hogwash. When has he ever had the chance to play with someone better than the likes of Dikembe Mutombo? And yet he still got to the finals (admittedly, out of a weak 2001 East) before losing to the Shaq-Kobe Machine. It's just too bad that this is happening at the tail of his career. Would love to see him get a chance with a contender. | ||
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igotmyown
United States4291 Posts
Do you have to shoot well to get 27 points per game? In his good years in philly he attempted from 22 to 28 shots per game, on top of his 10+ free throws. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
Also you can't "blame" him for taking 22-28 shots per game. Who else was going to take them? Ratliff? | ||
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A3iL3r0n
United States2196 Posts
On November 10 2009 10:28 igotmyown wrote: .425 is not a good percentage for a guard, consider most teams get over 100 points over 100 possessions. Also his 3 point shooting usually hovered around .300. Luckily, iverson offset it by getting 10+ free throws per game in most of his good seasons, otherwise he'd be scoring a 2008 thunder-esque sub 90 points per 100 possessions. However, he's old now and can't finish as well as he used to. Do you have to shoot well to get 27 points per game? In his good years in philly he attempted from 22 to 28 shots per game, on top of his 10+ free throws. Exactly. Those numbers are not efficient. AI is only a good player for his time, but all-time, there's a lot of guards you would choose ahead of him. @HonestTea: My point about Rondo is that if I were building a team, I'd take Chris Paul, D. Williams, Tony Parker and Rondo ahead of a young AI, and these guys are in the league now. All of the players named average below 3 turnovers a game, whereas Iverson has averaged 3.6 TO's over his career. All of the players named shoot a much higher career percentage than Iverson's career average. Iverson's not a PG but he's sized like a PG and if I'm going to have a player that small on the court, I sure as hell don't want him taking 20+ shots per game at 42% with his 3.6 TO's etc. He should be passing the ball. That year he had with Denver is good statistically, but they didn't win anything. AI's overrated. | ||
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