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We have created an irc channel (#tl-smash on Quakenet) for people to find others to play with on Dolphin or just to chat about Smash. Feel free to join!
Kyuukyuu
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada6263 Posts
July 29 2011 20:42 GMT
#481
Grand finals vods up~
Zoler
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden6339 Posts
September 20 2011 22:08 GMT
#482
I totally forgot about this thread!

Genesis 2 was AMAZING (I was there). So amazing seeing Armada win in person, being there to cheer him on as a fellow swede! We we're 10 swedes who went

Apex is coming up, HYPE!!!
Lim Yo Hwan forever!
Zoler
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden6339 Posts
September 20 2011 22:13 GMT
#483
On July 18 2011 14:23 shawster wrote:
apparently mango was sandbagging


Mango was NOT sandbagging vs Taj, after he lost he stormed outside and refused to talk to anyone. His falco is just not as good as his fox while Taj is a lot better in that matchup than vs fox.

At the same time he played a little bit too offensive as falco, but I won't call it sandbagging. That would just be johning.
Lim Yo Hwan forever!
Xenocide_Knight
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Korea (South)2625 Posts
September 20 2011 22:48 GMT
#484
On September 21 2011 07:13 Zoler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2011 14:23 shawster wrote:
apparently mango was sandbagging


Mango was NOT sandbagging vs Taj, after he lost he stormed outside and refused to talk to anyone. His falco is just not as good as his fox while Taj is a lot better in that matchup than vs fox.

At the same time he played a little bit too offensive as falco, but I won't call it sandbagging. That would just be johning.


Wait I don't understand, why didn't mango just play fox?
Shine[Kal] #1 fan
57 Corvette
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada5941 Posts
September 20 2011 23:01 GMT
#485
So sorta off topic but not entirely, Played a bit smash for the funz last night, did some Target Tests.

Managed to get 9.45 Seconds on Roy's without wavedashing/wavelanding/l-cancling.

Going to try some more tonight.
Survival is winning, everything else is bullshit.
Zoler
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden6339 Posts
September 21 2011 02:06 GMT
#486
On September 21 2011 07:48 Xenocide_Knight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2011 07:13 Zoler wrote:
On July 18 2011 14:23 shawster wrote:
apparently mango was sandbagging


Mango was NOT sandbagging vs Taj, after he lost he stormed outside and refused to talk to anyone. His falco is just not as good as his fox while Taj is a lot better in that matchup than vs fox.

At the same time he played a little bit too offensive as falco, but I won't call it sandbagging. That would just be johning.


Wait I don't understand, why didn't mango just play fox?


He described it himself as his "pet character" he just wanted to play falco, and I'm pretty sure he expected to 3-0 Taj easily anyway.

If he played Hbox or Armada he would probably have gone fox from game 1. At least that's what I think.
Lim Yo Hwan forever!
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
September 21 2011 02:36 GMT
#487
On September 21 2011 08:01 57 Corvette wrote:
So sorta off topic but not entirely, Played a bit smash for the funz last night, did some Target Tests.

Managed to get 9.45 Seconds on Roy's without wavedashing/wavelanding/l-cancling.

Going to try some more tonight.


The best target test is jiggly puff :B
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Kyuukyuu
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada6263 Posts
September 21 2011 02:47 GMT
#488
On September 21 2011 08:01 57 Corvette wrote:
So sorta off topic but not entirely, Played a bit smash for the funz last night, did some Target Tests.

Managed to get 9.45 Seconds on Roy's without wavedashing/wavelanding/l-cancling.

Going to try some more tonight.


Why do it without those lol o_O is there a ranking for that
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
September 21 2011 02:48 GMT
#489
Honestly the best game is the punching bag one!
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Luepert
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States1934 Posts
September 21 2011 02:50 GMT
#490
I always played marth, my friends could not compare to my c-stick spamming lol.
Switched to ike for brawl b/c marths smash ability is suckish and is often suicide while ike's is multi target. Takes mroe skill to play a slower character but I consistently can take out 3-4 level 9's.
esports
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
September 21 2011 02:57 GMT
#491
Marth's range is fucking ridiculous, makes no sense.
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Xenocide_Knight
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Korea (South)2625 Posts
September 22 2011 05:25 GMT
#492
On September 21 2011 11:50 Luepert wrote:
Takes mroe skill to play a slower character


Thats.. Thats debatable.
Shine[Kal] #1 fan
Zoler
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden6339 Posts
September 22 2011 09:24 GMT
#493
On September 21 2011 11:48 Torte de Lini wrote:
Honestly the best game is the punching bag one!






Lim Yo Hwan forever!
57 Corvette
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada5941 Posts
September 22 2011 13:31 GMT
#494
On September 21 2011 11:47 Kyuukyuu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2011 08:01 57 Corvette wrote:
So sorta off topic but not entirely, Played a bit smash for the funz last night, did some Target Tests.

Managed to get 9.45 Seconds on Roy's without wavedashing/wavelanding/l-cancling.

Going to try some more tonight.


Why do it without those lol o_O is there a ranking for that


Because I cba to learn how to do it properly.
If i really practice them a lot, then i could probably get down to 7ish seconds. There is only a few times where i could see WDing in my run helping with the run time.
Survival is winning, everything else is bullshit.
Kyuukyuu
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada6263 Posts
September 23 2011 01:01 GMT
#495
On September 22 2011 14:25 Xenocide_Knight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2011 11:50 Luepert wrote:
Takes mroe skill to play a slower character


Thats.. Thats debatable.


lol well read the rest of his post and it will make sense
Zoler
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden6339 Posts
October 02 2011 00:33 GMT
#496


holy FUCK
Lim Yo Hwan forever!
darkmetal505
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States639 Posts
January 06 2012 06:04 GMT
#497
So Apex starts tomorrow. Probably one of the biggest tournaments up to date with 331 players. A lot of old and new players coming. I believe I saw Zoler's name on the list also.

Stream starts 11 am EST!

Tune in: http://apexsmash.com/stream/

]343[
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
January 06 2012 07:53 GMT
#498
fffuuuuu I didn't know this thread existed. I'll be watching so many apex vods next week when I get back to school rofl

probably will be Mango vs Armada again in the finals lolol
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FireSA
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia555 Posts
January 06 2012 08:25 GMT
#499
Hmm this Armada doesnt seem that special, is he special because he uses peach? Peach pretty much hard counters Fox and Falco...a friend of mine mains Peach, and for what its worth the videos and games Ive seen from Armada seem much less impressive when you know a very good peach player. Amusingly Armada doesnt use down A on the ground much, I guess good players shouldnt get hit by it anyway.

(That being said, I am part of a smash community where half the people inc me do not wave dash and consistently beat those who do, seems people cannot deal with how people who dont wavedash play..anybody else have that experience?)
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
January 06 2012 09:26 GMT
#500
On January 06 2012 17:25 FireSA wrote:
Hmm this Armada doesnt seem that special, is he special because he uses peach? Peach pretty much hard counters Fox and Falco...a friend of mine mains Peach, and for what its worth the videos and games Ive seen from Armada seem much less impressive when you know a very good peach player. Amusingly Armada doesnt use down A on the ground much, I guess good players shouldnt get hit by it anyway.

(That being said, I am part of a smash community where half the people inc me do not wave dash and consistently beat those who do, seems people cannot deal with how people who dont wavedash play..anybody else have that experience?)


I have a few friends who are wavedashing all over the place during games, but mostly they are just dumb players. I am mechanically unsound and beat them pretty easily with certain characters. The mechanical skills are only a small part of the equation and if you aren't practicing enough for them to be 2nd nature, its almost better to not use them at all.

Using an SCII analogy: It is technically a bad thing to queue up units, however, most players even in low masters still do. It is unlikely your wavedashing friends who lose to those who don't play more SSBM than a Low Masters player plays SCII. So while a pro dedicates no mental capacity to wavedashing, SHFFLing, etc, your friends dedicate a lot. I can't tell you how many times I've had someone's Marth wavedash into a Fox upsmash, or another move like that. If your not going to practice enough, you might as well queue up 3 marines, its better than having no reinforcements.
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