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Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
June 10 2008 16:26 GMT
#21
hehe actually HamerD im a pure mathematics and physics double major

I considered mentioning the Flash curse, but ultimately it turned out to be a Jaedong curse .. the mark of a champion is triumph against the odds (saviors run against Nada with an horrendous map pool, Bisu triumphing over Zerg etc) and Flash showed that he was a champ
Administrator~ Spirit will set you free ~
InfeSteD
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States4658 Posts
June 10 2008 16:28 GMT
#22
On June 10 2008 23:57 Plexa wrote:
you mean... hwasin?


I think that's what he means, I remember that game on longinus. I became a HwaSin fan after that.

Such a beatiful line "Flash may not be iloveoov or Boxer, but he is taking Brood war in new directions – and for that – he gets my respect and admiration"

This write up was so good.

Thank you so much Plexa!

Nice Images zxk3!!!

w/e
Holylight
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Korea (South)460 Posts
June 10 2008 16:32 GMT
#23
On June 10 2008 22:13 Ack1027 wrote:
The only thing I would add to the article is that Nada's mental strength has also been tested harder than any other gamer if not for the fact that his father died during his career. He came back and won the fucking golden mouse. Nuff said.


word. Nada is probably my favourite sc gamer ever and his golden mouse speaks for itself

Great article!
thunk
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States6233 Posts
June 10 2008 16:59 GMT
#24
I find it amazing how of all the gamers, Boxer and Nada, and to a certain extent, Xellos (GOMTV3 MSL) Nal_Ra, and Reach/Yellow were able to make minor comebacks in their careers. You'd think there be more, but there isn't for some reason.

Great Article Plexa.
Every time Jung Myung Hoon builds a vulture, two probes die. || My post count was a palindrome and I was never posting again.
Gaetele
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Esper760 Posts
June 10 2008 17:03 GMT
#25
In a talk about mental state, Plexa/Nony, you left out the part where NaDa's dad died, and he came back to win a Starleague as a result of it? o_O
aka Ghostclaws
SayaSP
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Laos5494 Posts
June 10 2008 17:06 GMT
#26
Gaetele is just a hater don't worry
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Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
June 10 2008 17:08 GMT
#27
On June 11 2008 02:03 Gaetele wrote:
In a talk about mental state, Plexa/Nony, you left out the part where NaDa's dad died, and he came back to win a Starleague as a result of it? o_O
Well that's not exactly the point of the article. Yes Nada has awesome mental strength, no one is denying that - in fact the article praises Nada for his strength. As this was an article about the current state of starcraft, not the successes of Nada (and Boxer) i did omit some detail regarding both of them. Like Boxer's mother getting seriously ill during either Ever or So1 (my memory is failing me >.>) and how he rushed right out of the stadium after the semifinals to support her and ensure that she would be okay. The article is not about the past, its about the present and the role of the mental state. I hope you can understand why i left that bit out.
Administrator~ Spirit will set you free ~
TonyL2
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
England1953 Posts
June 10 2008 17:11 GMT
#28
Nice read, thanks!
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
June 10 2008 17:58 GMT
#29
On June 11 2008 02:03 Gaetele wrote:
In a talk about mental state, Plexa/Nony, you left out the part where NaDa's dad died, and he came back to win a Starleague as a result of it? o_O


Yeah.. as Plexa just posted, that's a little bit of a tangent. The article is more saying that it takes a certain mental state to dominate now, rather than just a superior skill set or superior strategy. Overcoming personal distractions is something that has been in progaming from the start.
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
pockyD
Profile Joined June 2008
United States14 Posts
June 10 2008 18:34 GMT
#30
great read, except it felt like you used the word "crushed" about 200 times
H
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
New Zealand6138 Posts
June 10 2008 18:39 GMT
#31
Sick read, sick article. Nice insight into the superiority of Flash and other progamers such as NaDa/BoxeR. They're amazing.
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Zanno
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States1484 Posts
June 10 2008 18:46 GMT
#32
Extremely interesting read. Articles tend to bore me, but this one was really good, "S-Class" if you will.
aaaaa
ScarFace
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States1175 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-06-10 21:02:29
June 10 2008 18:48 GMT
#33
I love this well written article, but how is FBH one of the greats that propped up after the bonjwa interregnum? He had strong tvz and tvt [he was on quite a streak] but never really had strong tvp, he never really reached the level where you could give him even odds against any person in the game, or even close to it. His tvp doesn't allow it. Sure he was a strong competitor when he was at his height, but I don't think hes comparable to Hwasin or others- he simply was not well rounded enough.

Otherwise INCREDIBLY well written article. I have a question though; Best defeated Flash, probably because of Flash's mindset. He was overconfident. What do you think will happen when they meet again in the OSL? Will his lost to Best be detrimental to him, or will he bounce back? And how could he make such a large mistake, if he wins simply through smart play/champion mindset?

Edit: Just read that nony helped on this, good job m8.
Can you dig it?
vhallee
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
899 Posts
June 10 2008 18:48 GMT
#34
that... was... beautiful
Marijuana causes amnesia and other things I don't remember.
useLess
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States4781 Posts
June 10 2008 18:57 GMT
#35
Its all mind games, yo.
Moonlight Shadow
soudo
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
603 Posts
June 10 2008 19:12 GMT
#36
Great article. Can't wait to see what else you guys will write about later.
EvoChamber
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France2505 Posts
June 10 2008 19:22 GMT
#37
Plexa, do you think that it's harder to push Terran players out of their comfort zone due to the nature of the race? I feel like the meta-game favors the development of Terran maestros, simply because it's so much harder to disrupt a Terran's equilibrium compared to Zerg. You're being a little harsh on Jaedong; as far as I can see, it's tiny and crucial developments in turret placement and timing that are disrupting his ZvT flow more than any mental weakness, since he still dominates the other two matchups.

Also, what about Iris? He was definitely worth listing with FBH, Stork, and Hwasin among the list of post-Savior's fall wizards.
That's not awful writing, DAMMIT. It's perfectly sensical english construction.
comabreaded
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
United States2166 Posts
June 10 2008 19:29 GMT
#38
Nice article thx!
I put the fu in fun
eazo
Profile Joined March 2008
United States530 Posts
June 10 2008 19:57 GMT
#39
Nice article, very informative and i enjoyed it!
nofAcedAgent
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States952 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-06-10 20:08:59
June 10 2008 20:08 GMT
#40
wow first "mind games" and now this.. Really nice read plex, thank you for it



Cheers

EDIT: larger nada image available? thx
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