.. the mark of a champion is triumph against the odds (saviors run against Nada with an horrendous map pool, Bisu triumphing over Zerg etc) and Flash showed that he was a champ

InfeSteD

United States4658 Posts

June 10 2008 16:28 GMT

#22

On June 10 2008 23:57 Plexa wrote:
you mean... hwasin?

I think that's what he means, I remember that game on longinus. I became a HwaSin fan after that.

Such a beatiful line "Flash may not be iloveoov or Boxer, but he is taking Brood war in new directions – and for that – he gets my respect and admiration"

This write up was so good.

Thank you so much Plexa!

Nice Images zxk3!!!

Holylight

Korea (South)460 Posts

June 10 2008 16:32 GMT

#23

On June 10 2008 22:13 Ack1027 wrote:
The only thing I would add to the article is that Nada's mental strength has also been tested harder than any other gamer if not for the fact that his father died during his career. He came back and won the fucking golden mouse. Nuff said.

word. Nada is probably my favourite sc gamer ever and his golden mouse speaks for itself

Great article!

thunk

United States6233 Posts

June 10 2008 16:59 GMT

#24

I find it amazing how of all the gamers, Boxer and Nada, and to a certain extent, Xellos (GOMTV3 MSL) Nal_Ra, and Reach/Yellow were able to make minor comebacks in their careers. You'd think there be more, but there isn't for some reason.

Great Article Plexa.

Gaetele

Esper760 Posts

June 10 2008 17:03 GMT

#25

In a talk about mental state, Plexa/Nony, you left out the part where NaDa's dad died, and he came back to win a Starleague as a result of it? o_O

SayaSP

Laos5494 Posts

June 10 2008 17:06 GMT

#26

Gaetele is just a hater don't worry

Plexa

Aotearoa39261 Posts

June 10 2008 17:08 GMT

#27

On June 11 2008 02:03 Gaetele wrote:
In a talk about mental state, Plexa/Nony, you left out the part where NaDa's dad died, and he came back to win a Starleague as a result of it? o_O

Well that's not exactly the point of the article. Yes Nada has awesome mental strength, no one is denying that - in fact the article praises Nada for his strength. As this was an article about the current state of starcraft, not the successes of Nada (and Boxer) i did omit some detail regarding both of them. Like Boxer's mother getting seriously ill during either Ever or So1 (my memory is failing me >.>) and how he rushed right out of the stadium after the semifinals to support her and ensure that she would be okay. The article is not about the past, its about the present and the role of the mental state. I hope you can understand why i left that bit out.

TonyL2

England1953 Posts

June 10 2008 17:11 GMT

#28

Nice read, thanks!

NonY

8749 Posts

June 10 2008 17:58 GMT

#29

On June 11 2008 02:03 Gaetele wrote:
In a talk about mental state, Plexa/Nony, you left out the part where NaDa's dad died, and he came back to win a Starleague as a result of it? o_O

Yeah.. as Plexa just posted, that's a little bit of a tangent. The article is more saying that it takes a certain mental state to dominate now, rather than just a superior skill set or superior strategy. Overcoming personal distractions is something that has been in progaming from the start.

pockyD

United States14 Posts

June 10 2008 18:34 GMT

#30

great read, except it felt like you used the word "crushed" about 200 times

New Zealand6138 Posts

June 10 2008 18:39 GMT

#31

Sick read, sick article. Nice insight into the superiority of Flash and other progamers such as NaDa/BoxeR. They're amazing.

Zanno

United States1484 Posts

June 10 2008 18:46 GMT

#32

Extremely interesting read. Articles tend to bore me, but this one was really good, "S-Class" if you will.

ScarFace

United States1175 Posts

June 10 2008 18:48 GMT

#33

I love this well written article, but how is FBH one of the greats that propped up after the bonjwa interregnum? He had strong tvz and tvt [he was on quite a streak] but never really had strong tvp, he never really reached the level where you could give him even odds against any person in the game, or even close to it. His tvp doesn't allow it. Sure he was a strong competitor when he was at his height, but I don't think hes comparable to Hwasin or others- he simply was not well rounded enough.

Otherwise INCREDIBLY well written article. I have a question though; Best defeated Flash, probably because of Flash's mindset. He was overconfident. What do you think will happen when they meet again in the OSL? Will his lost to Best be detrimental to him, or will he bounce back? And how could he make such a large mistake, if he wins simply through smart play/champion mindset?

Edit: Just read that nony helped on this, good job m8.

vhallee

899 Posts

June 10 2008 18:48 GMT

#34

that... was... beautiful

useLess

United States4781 Posts

June 10 2008 18:57 GMT

#35

Its all mind games, yo.

soudo

603 Posts

June 10 2008 19:12 GMT

#36

Great article. Can't wait to see what else you guys will write about later.

EvoChamber

France2505 Posts

June 10 2008 19:22 GMT

#37

Plexa, do you think that it's harder to push Terran players out of their comfort zone due to the nature of the race? I feel like the meta-game favors the development of Terran maestros, simply because it's so much harder to disrupt a Terran's equilibrium compared to Zerg. You're being a little harsh on Jaedong; as far as I can see, it's tiny and crucial developments in turret placement and timing that are disrupting his ZvT flow more than any mental weakness, since he still dominates the other two matchups.

Also, what about Iris? He was definitely worth listing with FBH, Stork, and Hwasin among the list of post-Savior's fall wizards.