The Elephant in the Room - Page 295

On March 18 2013 07:42 belatube wrote:
KESPA the fat ELEPHANT is here. For all those who bashed this article. besides last GSL results 6 guys from KESPA teams are seated round of 32 in MLG winter 2013 (MC not including but some may note he practices in kespa house) Inovation, Flash, Last, cj Hero,Parting, Rain. 5 out of 6 advance to to round of 16 with hero beaten by MC. round of 16 all 5 advance to round 8, where they are to face one and another. and of course with kespa dominitating there can only be 1 FINAL BOSS, the Ultimate Weapon, GOD. there is only 1 FLASh

On March 18 2013 07:46 mordk wrote:

So how long has it been since the switch?? Also, please tell me about how all of eSF players are no longer relevant.

Or you could just read the article and figure out how wrong both you and the article are by yourself

On March 22 2013 03:49 TheLunatic wrote:
6 years later lov champion a non broodwar player and you people will still be defending this ancient post and the mods of tl shall become the laughing stock of the community......just a simple prediction

On March 21 2013 06:14 HanSomPa wrote:
It's not irrelevant. Some people take this article way too seriously that's all. Others take any opportunity to take potshots at it, which is the other dumb extreme. KeSPA players are good, were expected to be good, and the fact that they would be good was predicted by this article. Besides, like many esteemed haters pointed out, Tournament rankings don't necessarily show all of the skilled players. Some people are just diamonds in the rough, others kept secret as snipers, and some just haven't had the luck or the nerves to show their stuff. This is the same for both eSF and KeSPA.

Many of you do point out the correct flaws in this article though, the worst players from KeSPA will never beat top tier of the eSF crop but,some KeSPA players really did prove to be ridiculously good at WoL. KeSPA is the "elephant" in the room in some ways. More and more KeSPA players are also becoming top tier SCII players. So while you can poke fun at intrigue all you want, he was right when he said "beware the KeSPA switch." The scene is a lot different from 8 months ago. New players, new teams, new Korean league.

On March 22 2013 11:56 HanSomPa wrote:


Yes because this article clearly states that, "Only BW pros can be good at SCII. Everyone else can never ever be good at SCII so just give up."

Your interpretation of the article is hilariously black and white.

I am saying that there are 300 current pros and semi-pros that have the potential to come in and dominate SC2 at any moment, with a latency of a few months from the day they switch. Among this group there are a notable few that CRUSH any other players in terms of raw talent and/or work ethic and/or ability to learn. This knowledge cheapens any form of competition I see right now, no matter how much I try to enjoy the games.

On April 11 2013 11:13 sinigang wrote:
Sure, intrigue made some forecasts that weren't accurate, but fact is, eSF is being wiped out of tournaments slowly but surely, and this still drives home the point and essence of this article.

Hello HoTS, good bye, eSF.

On April 29 2013 00:25 SiskosGoatee wrote:
I just wanna say it's been almost a year since the switch, certainly the 'latency of a few' months has past. Let us look at the top 20 KR TLPD elo. I will just call them SC2 vs BW players for sake of comparison even though they are technically all SC2 players

1. Life, SC2 player
2. Curious: SC2 player
3. Roro: BW player
4. Symbol SC2 player
5. Parting. SC2 player, though now on a KeSPA team
6. DRG, SC2
7. Creator: SC2 player
8. Hyun. Can be argued to be either BW or SC2
9. Leenock. SC2
10. San (this guy lol, I love how he always randomly pops up at random places when you think he's finally over, I have no idea where he gets his elo from, I guess he's good in weekly online cups with stage issues or something): SC2
11. Bomber: SC2
12: Bogus: BW
13: Rain: BW
14: SoS: BW
15: MC: SC2
16: herO: BW
17: Flash: BW
18: Soulkey: BW
19: Yoda: SC2
20: Sniper: SC2

I'm sorry, but the BW players aren't even breaking even. They're lagging well behind of the eSF players. It's been a year, a different expansion. If there was an iota of truth in this article the top 20 bar 1-2 players would be BW players by now. Hell, if the article was more true than an iota they all would be BW players by now. There is one BW player in the top 10, and it ain't Flash. JD doesn't even make the top 20.

The only elephant in the room, the uncomfortable truth no one wants to talk about is how dreadfully wrong the BW elitists have been. In the time the BW players arrived at the scene, only two. Rain and Roro won a major tournament. In the mean while Life has won the Iron Squid, he's won two MLG's, and a Blizzard cup. In the meanwhile Leenock won an MLG, Dreamhack and IPL and reached the finals of an MLG Life won. Parting won WCS, WCG and got to the finals of the Blizzard cup. This isn't the game not allowing the BW players to differentiate themselves, Life, Leenock, Parting, they differentiate themselves just fine. The notable results BW players have can be summed up in this:

- Rain won an OSL and a WCS Asia
- Roro won a GSL
- Flash got to the finals of a major tournament

This is utterly and completely dwarfed by the results of the eSF players.

Of course, the BW players can go toe to toe with the eSF players, of course the difference is minimal and of course there are some very good BW players. but that's not what the article said, the article said the BW players would completely take over, dominate, and put the SC2 players out of business. It didn't happen.

The article, thus far, has been a farce.