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Kaze Eventz
Profile Joined April 2013
Singapore16 Posts
June 18 2013 06:51 GMT
#5921
--- Nuked ---
9-BiT
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States1089 Posts
June 28 2013 16:37 GMT
#5922
It's funny how eerily accurate this was, good article! Everyone seems to always dance around the issues in our community, but this one was dead on.
kwark_uk: @father_sc learn to play maybe?
Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
June 29 2013 15:39 GMT
#5923
On June 29 2013 01:37 9-BiT wrote:
It's funny how eerily accurate this was, good article! Everyone seems to always dance around the issues in our community, but this one was dead on.

Better read the bloody thing again cause it was not even close to what it claimed. 300 in a couple months is not even close to what we got now. Hell once HoTS came out this article was already invalid since its a fresh start so the whole "they got a lead" was gone.
But whatever, people won't read text and start with the "you need to read between the lines" and still say it was right when it was proven wrong numerous time.
SiskosGoatee
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Albania1482 Posts
June 30 2013 03:54 GMT
#5924
On June 30 2013 00:39 Assirra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2013 01:37 9-BiT wrote:
It's funny how eerily accurate this was, good article! Everyone seems to always dance around the issues in our community, but this one was dead on.

Better read the bloody thing again cause it was not even close to what it claimed. 300 in a couple months is not even close to what we got now. Hell once HoTS came out this article was already invalid since its a fresh start so the whole "they got a lead" was gone.
But whatever, people won't read text and start with the "you need to read between the lines" and still say it was right when it was proven wrong numerous time.
Yeah, lol, the article has been watered down to being accurate when the KeSPa/eSF stride goes 60/40 in favour of KeSPA.

That's hardly what the article claimed and that's not controversial at all. The entire point of the article was that KeSPA wouldn't be just 'a little bit better' or 'better', but that the worst KeSPA B-teamers woulda absolutely smash the best eSF players. Saying 'the KeSPA players can go toe to toe and maybe be a bit better than the eSF players' (there are more KeSPA players by the way) is hardly an 'elephant in the room'.

Apart from that, the article also claimed the skill transition would be linear, that didn't happen as well. I mean, you can't do a lot more but feel sorry for Stork and Bisu at this point, forced to switch to a different game where they don't really shine. Sure, Flash is good, he's great, but Innovation is magnificent. Bogus did not come close to Flash in BW.
WCS Apartheid cometh, all hail the casual audience, death to merit and hard work.
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33559 Posts
July 01 2013 01:36 GMT
#5925
uh oh this thread is back in sc2 general
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-01 01:37:40
July 01 2013 01:37 GMT
#5926
Waxangel what are you doing, don't do that. NO.

ot: Naniwa > Kespa and America > Korea, as proven by MLG. rip elephants.
Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
July 01 2013 01:37 GMT
#5927
Oh come the fuck on, burn this thing already.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 01 2013 01:37 GMT
#5928
Its almost like he planned it this way.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33559 Posts
July 01 2013 01:37 GMT
#5929
On July 01 2013 10:37 Dodgin wrote:
Waxangel what are you doing, don't do that. NO.


hot_bid moved this thread to sc2 general because forgg won three Code A series in early 2012.

fair is fair
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
edgeOut
Profile Joined February 2013
United States945 Posts
July 01 2013 01:39 GMT
#5930
Good article, a rare brilliance and courage from TL writers.
Fuck you Zealously! For the fuck you give to those players.
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
July 01 2013 01:40 GMT
#5931
Waxangel is a bad man.
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
fer
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada375 Posts
July 01 2013 01:41 GMT
#5932
Ahahah this article, facepalm.
Reminds me of Milkis with his Brood War elitism.
WellPlayed.org <3
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26265 Posts
July 01 2013 01:41 GMT
#5933
This article really needs to be cleansed by fire.

Actually not a bad read, but the impact it has had on LR threads and fuelling obnoxious posters is huge
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
July 01 2013 01:43 GMT
#5934
On July 01 2013 10:41 Wombat_NI wrote:
This article really needs to be cleansed by fire.

Actually not a bad read, but the impact it has had on LR threads and fuelling obnoxious posters is huge

It completely ruined the whole transition of the kespa players to sc2. What should have been a ton of skilled people joining the game and increasing the skill level turned into a cockfight without end.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
July 01 2013 01:43 GMT
#5935
Wow it's like intrigue was psychic. Innovation is living proof
Moderatorhttp://i.imgur.com/U4xwqmD.png
TL+ Member
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
July 01 2013 01:44 GMT
#5936
what the hell why did someone bump this, this is gonna get yuck
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 01 2013 01:46 GMT
#5937
On July 01 2013 10:41 Wombat_NI wrote:
This article really needs to be cleansed by fire.

Actually not a bad read, but the impact it has had on LR threads and fuelling obnoxious posters is huge

He, if people didn't act like Innovation and Flash were the second coming, we would all be ok.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
xsnac
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Barbados1365 Posts
July 01 2013 01:47 GMT
#5938
just when i start saying how there is no kespa in finals and how flash picked a lesser tournament , bisu didnt even came and jaedong got beat by naniwa 2-0 .
1/4 \pi \epsilon_0
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26265 Posts
July 01 2013 01:48 GMT
#5939
On July 01 2013 10:46 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2013 10:41 Wombat_NI wrote:
This article really needs to be cleansed by fire.

Actually not a bad read, but the impact it has had on LR threads and fuelling obnoxious posters is huge

He, if people didn't act like Innovation and Flash were the second coming, we would all be ok.

Those two are legit ballers though, currently anyway! It's when even the mediocre Kespa players are elephated and overhyped that annoys me personally
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
L0L
Profile Joined August 2012
United States176 Posts
July 01 2013 01:49 GMT
#5940
On July 01 2013 10:47 xsnac wrote:
just when i start saying how there is no kespa in finals and how flash picked a lesser tournament , bisu didnt even came and jaedong got beat by naniwa 2-0 .


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