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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-01 02:03:49
July 01 2013 02:03 GMT
#5961
On July 01 2013 11:00 ZAiNs wrote:
soo, the stats of the kespa players this recent mlg... oh dear.

these guys winning the qualifier and dropping out of mlg proved they were just a flash in the pan. they've probably already sent out an sos to the rest of kespa who can come show some real innovation and make it rain on the foreigners next mlg. something bisu
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edgeOut
Profile Joined February 2013
United States945 Posts
July 01 2013 02:04 GMT
#5962
On July 01 2013 11:03 Thienan567 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2013 11:00 Plansix wrote:
On July 01 2013 10:58 NovemberstOrm wrote:
On July 01 2013 10:56 SoFrOsTy wrote:
There weren't a lot of good Kespa players at MLG. Hyun was Kespa literally until he switched to SC 2. But Flash wasn't there, CJHero wasn't there, Parting, Rain, Bisu, Jangbi, Stork, Fantasy, Hyvaa, Innovation, S2, True, Cure, Jaehoon, Terminator, Baby, Zest, sOs, Free, or Soulkey... sooo This not relevant to elephant

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2013_MLG_Spring_Championship/KeSPA_Qualifiers

Its almost like they all fought eachother to see who was best of those who could go. And then they couldn't win anyways because Polt and Nani'wa are to boss.


And the funniest thing is neither of them were big in BW. Nani was on wc3 and idk what polt played before sc2 but I never heard of him being on a kespa team so...

Sorry BW fanboys but elephant is disproven kespa players are shit


You made it seems this MLG is the biggest tournament with all talents in it.
Fuck you Zealously! For the fuck you give to those players.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27040 Posts
July 01 2013 02:05 GMT
#5963
On July 01 2013 11:03 Iodem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2013 10:55 Plansix wrote:
On July 01 2013 10:54 Dodgin wrote:
On July 01 2013 10:51 NovemberstOrm wrote:
oh dear this thread.


Oh Dear, It's your fault for losing to Naniwa.

That was fun to watch. Somewhere, out here, careful research is being done to prove that it was all a fluke and the Elephant is still alive.


It's already been laid out. Hyun is 'essentially KeSPA' and made it to the finals.

But I think the overarching theme will be that Dear, soO, and Stats being the three players to qualify were flukes, and that Innovation/Flash/sOs or some other combination would've been better off. All three kespa players still made it pretty deep into the tournament, but they weren't quite able to cinch the title. Stats and Dear also ran into each other early on, so stats had a hard time going into the loser bracket and then eventually lost to Jaedong(so that's technically another kespa team kill).

Also KeSPAbros will continue claiming victory by pointing at the Code A qualifier results.

Were the Code A qualifier results one-sided or something? Tried to keep track but it's somewhat tough.

I mean, there are also a lot of ESF/ex-ESF of at least Code A quality in other WCS regions as well, so it's not an entirely fair comparison to make.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Thienan567
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States670 Posts
July 01 2013 02:05 GMT
#5964
On July 01 2013 11:04 edgeOut wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2013 11:03 Thienan567 wrote:
On July 01 2013 11:00 Plansix wrote:
On July 01 2013 10:58 NovemberstOrm wrote:
On July 01 2013 10:56 SoFrOsTy wrote:
There weren't a lot of good Kespa players at MLG. Hyun was Kespa literally until he switched to SC 2. But Flash wasn't there, CJHero wasn't there, Parting, Rain, Bisu, Jangbi, Stork, Fantasy, Hyvaa, Innovation, S2, True, Cure, Jaehoon, Terminator, Baby, Zest, sOs, Free, or Soulkey... sooo This not relevant to elephant

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2013_MLG_Spring_Championship/KeSPA_Qualifiers

Its almost like they all fought eachother to see who was best of those who could go. And then they couldn't win anyways because Polt and Nani'wa are to boss.


And the funniest thing is neither of them were big in BW. Nani was on wc3 and idk what polt played before sc2 but I never heard of him being on a kespa team so...

Sorry BW fanboys but elephant is disproven kespa players are shit


You made it seems this MLG is the biggest tournament with all talents in it.


Kind of...because it does? Kespa holds qualifiers to see who the best kespa players are (hint hint not jangbi stork fantasy bisu) and then sends them over and they get wrecked
Tanzklaue
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany1420 Posts
July 01 2013 02:05 GMT
#5965
On July 01 2013 10:56 SoFrOsTy wrote:
There weren't a lot of good Kespa players at MLG. Hyun was Kespa literally until he switched to SC 2. But Flash wasn't there, CJHero wasn't there, Parting, Rain, Bisu, Jangbi, Stork, Fantasy, Hyvaa, Innovation, S2, True, Cure, Jaehoon, Terminator, Baby, Zest, sOs, Free, or Soulkey... sooo This not relevant to elephant

actually, it is very relevant, because the article said even lesser kespa players would crush the competition.

what happened in the end was that the kespa players here got beaten up by foreigners and koreans that don't even really affiliate with eSF, or easier said: people that are not mainly competing in korea.

add to that that most of the kespa pros are not really better than the good eSF players.
edgeOut
Profile Joined February 2013
United States945 Posts
July 01 2013 02:05 GMT
#5966
Hypocrites hate the war when their side are losing, and they cling that rare chance to love the war when their side are winning.

Fuck you Zealously! For the fuck you give to those players.
NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
July 01 2013 02:07 GMT
#5967
On July 01 2013 11:03 Thienan567 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2013 11:00 Plansix wrote:
On July 01 2013 10:58 NovemberstOrm wrote:
On July 01 2013 10:56 SoFrOsTy wrote:
There weren't a lot of good Kespa players at MLG. Hyun was Kespa literally until he switched to SC 2. But Flash wasn't there, CJHero wasn't there, Parting, Rain, Bisu, Jangbi, Stork, Fantasy, Hyvaa, Innovation, S2, True, Cure, Jaehoon, Terminator, Baby, Zest, sOs, Free, or Soulkey... sooo This not relevant to elephant

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2013_MLG_Spring_Championship/KeSPA_Qualifiers

Its almost like they all fought eachother to see who was best of those who could go. And then they couldn't win anyways because Polt and Nani'wa are to boss.


And the funniest thing is neither of them were big in BW. Nani was on wc3 and idk what polt played before sc2 but I never heard of him being on a kespa team so...

Sorry BW fanboys but elephant is disproven kespa players are shit

polt played wc3 before.
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edgeOut
Profile Joined February 2013
United States945 Posts
July 01 2013 02:07 GMT
#5968
On July 01 2013 11:05 Tanzklaue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2013 10:56 SoFrOsTy wrote:
There weren't a lot of good Kespa players at MLG. Hyun was Kespa literally until he switched to SC 2. But Flash wasn't there, CJHero wasn't there, Parting, Rain, Bisu, Jangbi, Stork, Fantasy, Hyvaa, Innovation, S2, True, Cure, Jaehoon, Terminator, Baby, Zest, sOs, Free, or Soulkey... sooo This not relevant to elephant

actually, it is very relevant, because the article said even lesser kespa players would crush the competition.

what happened in the end was that the kespa players here got beaten up by foreigners and koreans that don't even really affiliate with eSF, or easier said: people that are not mainly competing in korea.

add to that that most of the kespa pros are not really better than the good eSF players.


if most Koreans winning here are not afficialiated with either KeSPA or eSF, how do you get the conclusion that kespa pros are not really better than the good eSF players.
Fuck you Zealously! For the fuck you give to those players.
Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
July 01 2013 02:08 GMT
#5969
On July 01 2013 11:05 edgeOut wrote:
Hypocrites hate the war when their side are losing, and they cling that rare chance to love the war when their side are winning.


War? Hypocrites? Side? Oh boy, time to step back man, you are taking this whole thing waaaay to serious....
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
July 01 2013 02:09 GMT
#5970
On July 01 2013 11:07 edgeOut wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2013 11:05 Tanzklaue wrote:
On July 01 2013 10:56 SoFrOsTy wrote:
There weren't a lot of good Kespa players at MLG. Hyun was Kespa literally until he switched to SC 2. But Flash wasn't there, CJHero wasn't there, Parting, Rain, Bisu, Jangbi, Stork, Fantasy, Hyvaa, Innovation, S2, True, Cure, Jaehoon, Terminator, Baby, Zest, sOs, Free, or Soulkey... sooo This not relevant to elephant

actually, it is very relevant, because the article said even lesser kespa players would crush the competition.

what happened in the end was that the kespa players here got beaten up by foreigners and koreans that don't even really affiliate with eSF, or easier said: people that are not mainly competing in korea.

add to that that most of the kespa pros are not really better than the good eSF players.


if most Koreans winning here are not afficialiated with either KeSPA or eSF, how do you get the conclusion that kespa pros are not really better than the good eSF players.


Kespa and eSF are both a farce, the true competition is between foreign team Koreans and our American hero Polt.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-01 02:10:45
July 01 2013 02:09 GMT
#5971
On July 01 2013 11:05 edgeOut wrote:
Hypocrites hate the war when their side are losing, and they cling that rare chance to love the war when their side are winning.


Talk to me about the elephant losing at an NA event to a college student and a grumpy Swede.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
edgeOut
Profile Joined February 2013
United States945 Posts
July 01 2013 02:09 GMT
#5972
On July 01 2013 11:08 Assirra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2013 11:05 edgeOut wrote:
Hypocrites hate the war when their side are losing, and they cling that rare chance to love the war when their side are winning.


War? Hypocrites? Side? Oh boy, time to step back man, you are taking this whole thing waaaay to serious....


Politics are serious though.
Fuck you Zealously! For the fuck you give to those players.
Iodem
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1173 Posts
July 01 2013 02:10 GMT
#5973
On July 01 2013 11:05 Thienan567 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2013 11:04 edgeOut wrote:
On July 01 2013 11:03 Thienan567 wrote:
On July 01 2013 11:00 Plansix wrote:
On July 01 2013 10:58 NovemberstOrm wrote:
On July 01 2013 10:56 SoFrOsTy wrote:
There weren't a lot of good Kespa players at MLG. Hyun was Kespa literally until he switched to SC 2. But Flash wasn't there, CJHero wasn't there, Parting, Rain, Bisu, Jangbi, Stork, Fantasy, Hyvaa, Innovation, S2, True, Cure, Jaehoon, Terminator, Baby, Zest, sOs, Free, or Soulkey... sooo This not relevant to elephant

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2013_MLG_Spring_Championship/KeSPA_Qualifiers

Its almost like they all fought eachother to see who was best of those who could go. And then they couldn't win anyways because Polt and Nani'wa are to boss.


And the funniest thing is neither of them were big in BW. Nani was on wc3 and idk what polt played before sc2 but I never heard of him being on a kespa team so...

Sorry BW fanboys but elephant is disproven kespa players are shit


You made it seems this MLG is the biggest tournament with all talents in it.


Kind of...because it does? Kespa holds qualifiers to see who the best kespa players are (hint hint not jangbi stork fantasy bisu) and then sends them over and they get wrecked


They all made top 10 finishes in their first foreign tournament, so I wouldn't consider that 'wrecked.'
If you don't like it, you can quit.
Tanzklaue
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany1420 Posts
July 01 2013 02:11 GMT
#5974
On July 01 2013 11:07 edgeOut wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2013 11:05 Tanzklaue wrote:
On July 01 2013 10:56 SoFrOsTy wrote:
There weren't a lot of good Kespa players at MLG. Hyun was Kespa literally until he switched to SC 2. But Flash wasn't there, CJHero wasn't there, Parting, Rain, Bisu, Jangbi, Stork, Fantasy, Hyvaa, Innovation, S2, True, Cure, Jaehoon, Terminator, Baby, Zest, sOs, Free, or Soulkey... sooo This not relevant to elephant

actually, it is very relevant, because the article said even lesser kespa players would crush the competition.

what happened in the end was that the kespa players here got beaten up by foreigners and koreans that don't even really affiliate with eSF, or easier said: people that are not mainly competing in korea.

add to that that most of the kespa pros are not really better than the good eSF players.


if most Koreans winning here are not afficialiated with either KeSPA or eSF, how do you get the conclusion that kespa pros are not really better than the good eSF players.

that was a seperate conclusion.

sure, innovation, soulkey and rain are outstanding at the moment. we saw such dominances from a selected few players at different stages of sc2 (and even broodwar). but the average code s kespa player is just as good or bad as the average esf code s player. they all have the ability to make it far into a tournament on a good day, and they all could take a code s championship with an outstanding run.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-01 02:11:47
July 01 2013 02:11 GMT
#5975
On July 01 2013 11:09 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2013 11:07 edgeOut wrote:
On July 01 2013 11:05 Tanzklaue wrote:
On July 01 2013 10:56 SoFrOsTy wrote:
There weren't a lot of good Kespa players at MLG. Hyun was Kespa literally until he switched to SC 2. But Flash wasn't there, CJHero wasn't there, Parting, Rain, Bisu, Jangbi, Stork, Fantasy, Hyvaa, Innovation, S2, True, Cure, Jaehoon, Terminator, Baby, Zest, sOs, Free, or Soulkey... sooo This not relevant to elephant

actually, it is very relevant, because the article said even lesser kespa players would crush the competition.

what happened in the end was that the kespa players here got beaten up by foreigners and koreans that don't even really affiliate with eSF, or easier said: people that are not mainly competing in korea.

add to that that most of the kespa pros are not really better than the good eSF players.


if most Koreans winning here are not afficialiated with either KeSPA or eSF, how do you get the conclusion that kespa pros are not really better than the good eSF players.


Kespa and eSF are both a farce, the true competition is between foreign team Koreans and our American hero Polt.

WCS America too strong. just wait til HyuN joins.
5/ top 8 at MLG
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pretty much undeniable that the elephant in the room is WCS America >>> Korea >>>>>>> Europe
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lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
July 01 2013 02:11 GMT
#5976
On July 01 2013 11:09 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2013 11:07 edgeOut wrote:
On July 01 2013 11:05 Tanzklaue wrote:
On July 01 2013 10:56 SoFrOsTy wrote:
There weren't a lot of good Kespa players at MLG. Hyun was Kespa literally until he switched to SC 2. But Flash wasn't there, CJHero wasn't there, Parting, Rain, Bisu, Jangbi, Stork, Fantasy, Hyvaa, Innovation, S2, True, Cure, Jaehoon, Terminator, Baby, Zest, sOs, Free, or Soulkey... sooo This not relevant to elephant

actually, it is very relevant, because the article said even lesser kespa players would crush the competition.

what happened in the end was that the kespa players here got beaten up by foreigners and koreans that don't even really affiliate with eSF, or easier said: people that are not mainly competing in korea.

add to that that most of the kespa pros are not really better than the good eSF players.


if most Koreans winning here are not afficialiated with either KeSPA or eSF, how do you get the conclusion that kespa pros are not really better than the good eSF players.


Kespa and eSF are both a farce, the true competition is between foreign team Koreans and our American hero Polt.


America vs Germany

Polt vs Jurgen

the true Sc2
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Aphid
Profile Joined August 2011
Australia87 Posts
July 01 2013 02:12 GMT
#5977
On July 01 2013 11:03 Thienan567 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2013 11:00 Plansix wrote:
On July 01 2013 10:58 NovemberstOrm wrote:
On July 01 2013 10:56 SoFrOsTy wrote:
There weren't a lot of good Kespa players at MLG. Hyun was Kespa literally until he switched to SC 2. But Flash wasn't there, CJHero wasn't there, Parting, Rain, Bisu, Jangbi, Stork, Fantasy, Hyvaa, Innovation, S2, True, Cure, Jaehoon, Terminator, Baby, Zest, sOs, Free, or Soulkey... sooo This not relevant to elephant

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2013_MLG_Spring_Championship/KeSPA_Qualifiers

Its almost like they all fought eachother to see who was best of those who could go. And then they couldn't win anyways because Polt and Nani'wa are to boss.


And the funniest thing is neither of them were big in BW. Nani was on wc3 and idk what polt played before sc2 but I never heard of him being on a kespa team so...

Sorry BW fanboys but elephant is disproven kespa players are shit


lol how did the argument go from, kespa players not being as dominant as expected, to kespa players are shit. Surely you realize how absurd that statement was.
edgeOut
Profile Joined February 2013
United States945 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-01 02:14:30
July 01 2013 02:12 GMT
#5978
On July 01 2013 11:09 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2013 11:05 edgeOut wrote:
Hypocrites hate the war when their side are losing, and they cling that rare chance to love the war when their side are winning.


Talk to me about the elephant losing at an NA event to a college student and a grump Swede.


Just like biggest eSF prodigy Life losing to lower tier foreigner than nani, Sjow, shit, travelling, jetlag, unfamiliar environment happened.
Fuck you Zealously! For the fuck you give to those players.
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
July 01 2013 02:13 GMT
#5979
Polt needs an american name by the way

His given name is Seong Hoon so I suggest... Jeremy
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Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
July 01 2013 02:13 GMT
#5980
On July 01 2013 11:13 lichter wrote:
Polt needs an american name by the way

His given name is Seong Hoon so I suggest... Jeremy


Jeremy vs Jurgen Blizzcon Finals 2013.
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