On September 21 2009 09:17 danieldrsa wrote: Statistics mean anything etc... But they have a value and its undeniable If you take recent games, even games from 1 year ago to today, Bisu´s ahead in win %, and saying its because Bisu fought easy oponents is just ridiculous.
The person saying Bisu has more wins because he played less and only easy players is nothing but fail. This same argument can be used to say that, because JD played more, he played more easy opponents than Bisu (in number) and had the opportunity to got more win %.
Well I read only that and I have to say... You are really wrong...
How play more games is benefical for Jaedong? just tell me how and the Winning % doesnt mean to much, OFC Bisu would get more winning % cus he didnt play like 5 Bo3 and 2 Bo5 series... When u play those u always get some loses and for that you get less winning % (and always against good oponents). I dont know if TLPD counts GoM but when Jaedong played against Effort (Bo5), Calm (Bo5), Fantasy (Bo5), YarnC (Bo5), Kal (Bo3), Canata (Bo5), Hwasin (Bo3), Kwanro (Bo3), Stork (Bo3), Luxury (Bo3), Zero (Bo3). You really think that Bisu playing all of those series would end with better winning % than Jaedong?? I dont really think so (And im not counting the group stages cus Bisu played that but ended losing there.)
And people say that Bisu played more "easy" oponents its cus if u play on group stages and you lose people like gogo you are losing or playing against "easy" oponents, tell me 1 of those players that played a series against Jaedong and tell me just one "easy" oponent.
All is summed by "its my opinion"
Plz end this shit of "Player A played more harder opponents than Player B".
The two are very good players and, to me, they are almost even, JD being slightly ahead (if he is at all).
You really think that Bisu playing all of those series would end with better winning % than Jaedong?? I dont really think so (And im not counting the group stages cus Bisu played that but ended losing there.)
Yeah i think Just like he is with a better win rate than JD overall, including Proleague and WCG, facing many tough opponents. Starcraft is not only OSL-MSL you know.
I like the two so much they are the main reason im still watching and liking SC today. Saying JD is miles away from Bisu is the problem here.
"Indeed, when Jaedong was still a rookie he practiced so much he almost went insane; fortunately he realised this and took the appropriate measures to stop himself going crazy."
On September 23 2009 20:32 dongfeng wrote: nice article
"Indeed, when Jaedong was still a rookie he practiced so much he almost went insane; fortunately he realised this and took the appropriate measures to stop himself going crazy."
Plexa, this is perhaps one of the best (if not THE best) articles I have ever read. Thank you for putting so much thought and insight into this. Some people may not agree but the truth has been told clearly this time that Jaedong IS the ultimate progamer during this generation (and I'm not saying this based off the fact that I'm his fanboy but purely through statistical view and achievements).
Why dont simplify this LJD vs KTY discussion just look at the player profile here on TL:
LJD has 4 major titles, KTY has 3, LJD has 11 "achievements", KTY has 8, KTY won his first starleague in 06, LJD in 07.
Summary: LJD has won more in a shorter period of time and like the other Bonjwas, hi has won 4 starleagues (OSL AND MSL) in a rapid succession (like Plexa pointed out in the article: no major slumps).
Wow great read really interesting, and has a pure bisu fan =) I have to say that you are right I also find jaedong plays with more consistency and he his almost flawless.
I would like to had I always thought that boxer was more a revolutionist has nal_ra was for protoss, Boxer did very well and changed the way poeple saw the game. But I don't find that he can follow the evolution of the game with is micro only games.
But I still think Nada is pure talent, just like jaedong they don't play for the show all the time or to amaze but they win and get the job done, with few or no mistakes. They learn and adapt their play better then any player.
One that is amazing right now is flash, to see how he can run is eco and build orders is amazing hopefully with time he will become a great player has nada and jaedong.
Flash looks as scary as jaedong ever did at his peak. Even scarier still. This from a big-time dongfan. Breaking 2400 ELO is something even the dong failed to do. But to be fair, TvT is such a skill-based matchup as opposed to ZvZ which is more luck based so one can argue that it's comparitively easier to get a 2400 ELO based on a godly talent in a non-luck based matchup.
On January 11 2010 03:27 WWJDD wrote: TvT is such a skill-based matchup as opposed to ZvZ which is more luck based
Nonsense Statement.Clearly u dont know what ur talking about. Think about it once again, but first watch this Game: Shinhan Winners League ZerO vs Jaedong 2009-02-03 @ Sin Chupung-Ryeong.
What Jaedong did in the MSL finals was prepare an exceptional set of builds to exploit Flash's every weakness. It was beautiful (and frustrating) to watch. Flash may be the better player, but the way Jaedong played that series was perfect. His preparation neutralized any raw advantage that Flash may have had and I think that series will leave a lasting impression on Flash (and quite possibly break him). Jaedong, as we all know, doesn't break.
I mean seriously, in every game Jaedong played a style where HE was in control of where the game was going. Game 1 was classic Jaedong (his 2hatch muta is so good its almost cheese now). Game 2 was him trying to dictate to Flash as best he could, but Flash reacting perfectly. Game 3 was Jaedong saying "lol we're going to play a macro game and I'm going to beat you at it".
And I'm almost sad he didn't win game 2. Just seconds more and, I'm convinced, he would have. He just didn't have the larva for enough scourge/ultras/ling to mop up the rest of those marines/drop ships. It was a lot closer than it looked.
As game 2 showed, Jaedong still has trouble shifting all the way over to a defensive posture. Effort or Zero would have won that game because they would have morphed the guardians near their own bases and held off any drops Flash would have tried. Jaedong found an opening in Flash's base defense, saw two starports with control towers, and made the erroneous assumption that Flash was making pure vessels and that his guardians could run wild for a lot longer than they actually would. Guardians simply don't fit his style at all D:
But yeah, I'm glad you recognized how excellent Jaedong's preparations were, Plexa. He won the mind games/build order battles four games out of four against Flash, which is pretty much unprecedented.
EPT
Just like he is with a better win rate than JD overall, including Proleague and WCG, facing many tough opponents. Starcraft is not only OSL-MSL you know.
