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[곰TV 시즌2] CJ 마재윤 "앞으로도 네임밸류가 있는 선수들 상대로 타종족 도전할 생각 있다"
[GomTV Season2] CJ Mah, Jae Yoon "From now on I want to challenge using off-race against other players with name values."
-16강 진출에 성공했다.
▶첫 경기가 정말 아쉽다. 연습할 때도 거의 안 졌다. 꼼수나 벙커링 같은것 안하고 힘대힘으로 붙어보고 싶었다. 그런데 2해처리 상대는 한번도 못해봤다. 그래서 대처법을 몰라서 패배했다. 5경기에서 또 붙어보고 싶었다. 정말 아쉬웠다.
- You succeeded in advancing to the second round (16players)
> I feel unsatified about the 1st game. I didn't lose most of the time during practice. I didn't wanna use some cheap strat or bunkering. instead, i wanted to play power vs power. However, I have never played against 2 hatchery build. So I didn't know how to prepare for it. I wanted to play him again in the 5th game. I really felt lacking.
-첫 경기에 대한 평가는.
▶오늘 경기에서 일방적으로 졌다는 생각은 안했다. 졌지만 할만하다고 생각한다. 내 의사가 중요하다고 생각한다. 내가 아직도 할만하다고 생각하면 다음에도 할 수 있는 것이다.
-Your evaluation of the 1st game.
> I didn't think I lost one-sided game today. Even though I lost, I think I'm capable. I think my intention is important. As long as I believe I can stil do it, I can do it next time.
-주 종족이 더 잘한다.
▶다른 종족을 하는 것보다 주종족인 저그를 하는 것이 더 긴장됐다. 테란이 익숙하지 못한 점은 있었다. 그래도 저그보다 밀린다는 생각은 하지 않는다.
-You are better with your main race.
> I'm more tensed up when I'm using my main race zerg than the off-race. There's the point that I'm not so skilled with Terran. But I don't think I do worse than with zerg.
-박태민과 서먹해진 것 같은데.
▶특별히 사이가 멀어졌다고 생각하지 않는다. 다른 선수가 나를 상대로 타 종족을 해서 맞대응한다고 해서 기분이 나쁘지는 않을 것이다. 태민이 형 입장에서 생각해보면 충분히 그럴 수 있다고 생각한다. 그러나 나는 프로게이머 생활을 하면서 해보고 싶었던 것을 했을 뿐이다. 앞으로도 해보고 싶다고 생각하는 것은 하나씩 할 것이다. 자신도 있다.
-It seems like your relationship with Park, Tae Min (GoRush) has become awkward.
> I don't think our special relationship has changed. And I don't think I would feel bad if some other player decided to play off-race against me. In terms of Tae Min's position, I understand him. However, I only did what I have always wanted to do as a progamer. Hereafter, I will be thinking of wanting to do it again once in awhile. I have confidence.
-종족을 아예 바꿀 수도 있는가.
▶아직 그런 생각은 없다.
-Are you thinking of switching your race?
>Not yet, I never thought of it.
-나머지 경기는 완벽했는데.
▶솔직히 말해서 파이썬과 몬티홀은 신경을 쓰지 않았다. 연습도 거의 못했다. 오늘 경기는 태민이 형과의 매치만 생각했다. 오늘 졌을 때도 5경기에서 태민이형과 만나서 다시 한번 하길 바랬다.
-Rest of your games were flawless.
>To be honest, I didn't really mind about Python and Monty Hall. I could barely practice. I only thought about today's match against Tae Min. After losing today, I wished to meet Tae Min again in the 5th game.
-타 종족에 대한 자평은.
▶아직은 익숙치 않다. 저그만큼 제대로 되지 않았다. 광범위하게 해볼 생각은 없다. 차분히 도전해 볼 생각이다. 앞으로도 네임밸류가 좀 있는 선수들을 상대로 값진 승리를 따내고 싶다.
-Your evaluation on off-race
>I'm not so familar with it yet. It's not as good as my Zerg. I'm not planning to do it extensively. I'm thinking of challenging quietly. From now on, I wanna take a valuable win against players with name values.
-16강에서 송병구와 붙는다.
▶프로토스전을 한지가 정말 오래됐다. 준비를 많이 해야할 것 같다. 송병구를 상대로는 종족을 바꾼다는 생각을 해본적이 없다. 아직은 메카닉보다 바이오닉이 재미있고 자신있다.
-You are going to face Song, Byung Goo Stork.
>It's been a long time since I played vs Protoss. I'm gonna have to practice a lot for it. I didn't think about switching race against Song, Byung Goo. I'm more confident and happy with bionic than mechanic.
-팬들에게 한마디.
▶팬들이 많이 기대해주셨는데 경기를 깔끔하게 못했다. 이런 경기가 나오면서 창피하기도 하면서 죄송스럽기도 하다. 다시 한번 이런 기회가 온다면 만만치 않게 준비해 나오겠다. 육이 (강)영민이, 수현이, 대겸이가 연습을 해줬다. 고맙다. 그런데 후배들이 2해처리를 안해줬다(웃음). 혼좀 내줘야겠다(웃음).
>Say a word to the fans
>Many fans looked forward to the match, but I wasn't as clean. After a game like this one, I feel sorry and embarassed. If I get to have another chance, I will be ready. Sea.Jy, Ever)Z(Maru, Dream.t)Orion, and NsP_JoJoBa helped me practice. However, they didn't use 2 hatchery build(laughs). I should teach them a leasson(laughs).
source: http://www.fighterforum.com/news/news_read.asp?cat=INT&idx=18540
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thanks capooo
i cant believe he still wants to "challenge" with offrace - _ -
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United States20661 Posts
What the hell? Going up against GoRush, you use those practice partners, and still hope to win?
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especially considering gorush has canata, midas, iloveoov to practice with
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Awesome translation, I was waiting for this one. Thanks for the work
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United States37500 Posts
On May 27 2007 19:53 LastRomantic wrote:
What the hell? Going up against GoRush, you use those practice partners, and still hope to win?
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That's essentially all the Z's CJ can offer sAviOr for practice.
More importantly, why didn't sAviOr himself think of 2 hatch and ask to practice against it. -_-
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Valhalla18444 Posts
On May 27 2007 19:53 LastRomantic wrote:
What the hell? Going up against GoRush, you use those practice partners, and still hope to win?
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he's savior it doesn't matter as much as you think it does
if gorush had done a 3hatch build savior would have wrecked him by the looks of the game itself
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On May 27 2007 19:55 ATeddyBear wrote:
especially considering gorush has canata, midas, iloveoov to practice with
this says quite a bit about savior's tvz, that he can train vs jy/orion/etc. and still contend vs gorush who trains with these tvz powerhouses
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United States7166 Posts
-You are going to face Song, Byung Goo Stork.
>It's been a long time since I played vs Protoss. I'm gonna have to practice a lot for it. I didn't think about switching race against Song, Byung Goo. I'm more confident and happy with bionic than mechanic.
er ..im confused.. is he going terran vs Stork?
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On May 27 2007 20:29 NeoIllusions wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2007 19:53 LastRomantic wrote:
What the hell? Going up against GoRush, you use those practice partners, and still hope to win?
~~ That's essentially all the Z's CJ can offer sAviOr for practice. More importantly, why didn't sAviOr himself think of 2 hatch and ask to practice against it. -_-
I think next time savior should practice his T against himself
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On May 27 2007 21:19 SeBASTa wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2007 20:29 NeoIllusions wrote:On May 27 2007 19:53 LastRomantic wrote:
What the hell? Going up against GoRush, you use those practice partners, and still hope to win?
~~ That's essentially all the Z's CJ can offer sAviOr for practice. More importantly, why didn't sAviOr himself think of 2 hatch and ask to practice against it. -_- I think next time savior should practice his T against himself
Omg. Mirror Matchup!
*puts on flame-retardant suit*
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i'm starting to like this guy
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On May 27 2007 21:19 SeBASTa wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2007 20:29 NeoIllusions wrote:On May 27 2007 19:53 LastRomantic wrote:
What the hell? Going up against GoRush, you use those practice partners, and still hope to win?
~~ That's essentially all the Z's CJ can offer sAviOr for practice. More importantly, why didn't sAviOr himself think of 2 hatch and ask to practice against it. -_- I think next time savior should practice his T against himself
He could get Blackman to program a Savior AI.
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What was the go.rush v. savior score and maps? Can you also post vods?
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United States20661 Posts
On May 27 2007 21:43 EpiK wrote:
What was the go.rush v. savior score and maps? Can you also post vods?
1-0 this time on Desperado
3-0 overall.
Vods in small vod thread.
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Russian Federation987 Posts
Savior vs Stork will be awesome.
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What was so significant about GoRush's 2 hatch build other than the fact that it threw Savior off? Was Savior anticipating a 3 hatch build so much that he was unable to adapt? I guess I'm asking why the 2 hatch build was a better choice for GoRush as oppose to 3 hatch...
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Russian Federation987 Posts
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India788 Posts
Thanks for the interview link ! Was a nice read, and if someone could explain how 2 hatch is better than what is usually done (would be cool lol cause im noob to the sc strat thing)
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On May 28 2007 00:23 ktp wrote:
What was so significant about GoRush's 2 hatch build other than the fact that it threw Savior off? Was Savior anticipating a 3 hatch build so much that he was unable to adapt? I guess I'm asking why the 2 hatch build was a better choice for GoRush as oppose to 3 hatch...
It was faster. Gorush was able to secure a second main with two lurkers atop ramp before Savior could do anything about it. And on Desperado, that means he had 4 gas going into his muta pump with only the need for two lurkers in the early mid-game to stop Savior from destroying his expo. From there, he could basically control the entire game.
Personally I agree with Savior. I think the game demonstrated more of an intelligent strategy with perfect execution by Gorush, rather than any incompetence on Savior's part. I think he's evaluated the situation correct. From this one game, I really don't think he should be discouraged and consider it a one-sided rape.
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Nice interview ty.
He's not giving up! Keep that spirit up!
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I hope Stork rapes him. Big time.
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On May 27 2007 20:35 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2007 19:53 LastRomantic wrote:
What the hell? Going up against GoRush, you use those practice partners, and still hope to win?
~~ he's savior it doesn't matter as much as you think it does if gorush had done a 3hatch build savior would have wrecked him by the looks of the game itself
man why are you always saying this? Savior didn't do anything in that game, you know it. He built marines, medics tanks and sci vessels. Any terran would do that. Infact half of the game he is running around with no medics. How can you say his tvz is top class? Progaming is based on extreme subtleties which seperate gosu's from chobo's and savior looked chobo in that game. I think because you are a big savior fan, it is clouding your vision.
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On May 28 2007 04:24 himurakenshin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2007 20:35 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On May 27 2007 19:53 LastRomantic wrote:
What the hell? Going up against GoRush, you use those practice partners, and still hope to win?
~~ he's savior it doesn't matter as much as you think it does if gorush had done a 3hatch build savior would have wrecked him by the looks of the game itself man why are you always saying this? Savior didn't do anything in that game, you know it. He built marines, medics tanks and sci vessels. Any terran would do that. Infact half of the game he is running around with no medics. How can you say his tvz is top class? Progaming is based on extreme subtleties which seperate gosu's from chobo's and savior looked chobo in that game. I think because you are a big savior fan, it is clouding your vision.
It's obvious why savior was running with no meds if you watched the game at all. Nada wouldn't have had medics in that situation either.
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thanks for interview.
why does one of the few protoss left have to face savior?
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I hope Stork gets owned. Big time
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On May 27 2007 19:46 CapO wrote:
-16강에서 송병구와 붙는다.
▶프로토스전을 한지가 정말 오래됐다. 준비를 많이 해야할 것 같다. 송병구를 상대로는 종족을 바꾼다는 생각을 해본적이 없다. 아직은 메카닉보다 바이오닉이 재미있고 자신있다.
-You are going to face Song, Byung Goo Stork.
>It's been a long time since I played vs Protoss. I'm gonna have to practice a lot for it. I didn't think about switching race against Song, Byung Goo. I'm more confident and happy with bionic than mechanic.
Poor Jangbi. Savior played vs Protoss just before this interview and completely forgot all about his insignificant opponent.
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Sweden33719 Posts
On May 27 2007 19:53 LastRomantic wrote:
What the hell? Going up against GoRush, you use those practice partners, and still hope to win?
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Uh, those are amazing practice partners...
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On May 28 2007 01:50 kewlsunman wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2007 00:23 ktp wrote:
What was so significant about GoRush's 2 hatch build other than the fact that it threw Savior off? Was Savior anticipating a 3 hatch build so much that he was unable to adapt? I guess I'm asking why the 2 hatch build was a better choice for GoRush as oppose to 3 hatch... It was faster. Gorush was able to secure a second main with two lurkers atop ramp before Savior could do anything about it. And on Desperado, that means he had 4 gas going into his muta pump with only the need for two lurkers in the early mid-game to stop Savior from destroying his expo. From there, he could basically control the entire game. Personally I agree with Savior. I think the game demonstrated more of an intelligent strategy with perfect execution by Gorush, rather than any incompetence on Savior's part. I think he's evaluated the situation correct. From this one game, I really don't think he should be discouraged and consider it a one-sided rape.
yes, seeing those 4 gases go up made me angry, and i'm not even a savior fan...
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Okay, I just finished watching the game. Let me express my feelings:
LAWL FAG JAE GOT GANKED 111!!!1111 HAHAHAHAHA I CAN'T WAIT FOR MORE
That is all.
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On May 28 2007 07:34 The Storyteller wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2007 19:46 CapO wrote:
-16강에서 송병구와 붙는다.
▶프로토스전을 한지가 정말 오래됐다. 준비를 많이 해야할 것 같다. 송병구를 상대로는 종족을 바꾼다는 생각을 해본적이 없다. 아직은 메카닉보다 바이오닉이 재미있고 자신있다.
-You are going to face Song, Byung Goo Stork.
>It's been a long time since I played vs Protoss. I'm gonna have to practice a lot for it. I didn't think about switching race against Song, Byung Goo. I'm more confident and happy with bionic than mechanic.
Poor Jangbi. Savior played vs Protoss just before this interview and completely forgot all about his insignificant opponent.
Hahahahhahahaha OMG I didn't even notice at all. I completely forgot about Jangbi as well. Wow Savior is totally insulting him without even noticing.
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no it was a 3 hatch, its just that hatch was hidden and it was alittle late.
gorush 3-0ed him rgith
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Germany / USA16648 Posts
There's no way to tell 100%, because the screen isn't centered on it at the right time, but I would guess that Gorush started morphing his hatchery at the natural into a lair before he started the expansion at the bottom right main, hence 2 hatch strat (tech started with 2 hatches).
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On May 28 2007 12:02 Carnac wrote:
There's no way to tell 100%, because the screen isn't centered on it at the right time, but I would guess that Gorush started morphing his hatchery at the natural into a lair before he started the expansion at the bottom right main, hence 2 hatch strat (tech started with 2 hatches).
I am quite sure he went lair immediately before putting down his 3rd hatch. I just checked the VOD, but they show the hatch building, and then the lair morphing.
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On May 28 2007 07:34 The Storyteller wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2007 19:46 CapO wrote:
-16강에서 송병구와 붙는다.
▶프로토스전을 한지가 정말 오래됐다. 준비를 많이 해야할 것 같다. 송병구를 상대로는 종족을 바꾼다는 생각을 해본적이 없다. 아직은 메카닉보다 바이오닉이 재미있고 자신있다.
-You are going to face Song, Byung Goo Stork.
>It's been a long time since I played vs Protoss. I'm gonna have to practice a lot for it. I didn't think about switching race against Song, Byung Goo. I'm more confident and happy with bionic than mechanic.
Poor Jangbi. Savior played vs Protoss just before this interview and completely forgot all about his insignificant opponent.
my god, Jangbi must feel like shit after that. Another kids dreams are promptly crushed by the fascist that is Matler! -_-/
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SaviorGoRush ( edit: thx below -_-;; ) was mining gas for 40 seconds prior to morphing his 3rd hatchery, starting to mine gas a few seconds after the Spawning Pool finished. I'm pretty sure it was Lair first--he didn't make creep colonies prior to making the 3rd hatchery, so that's why the hatch could be relatively early.
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On May 28 2007 15:48 Myrmidon wrote:
Savior was mining gas for 40 seconds prior to morphing his 3rd hatchery, starting to mine gas a few seconds after the Spawning Pool finished. I'm pretty sure it was Lair first--he didn't make creep colonies prior to making the 3rd hatchery, so that's why the hatch could be relatively early.
Savior was the Terran. Force of habit, eh?
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Savior definitely has balls.
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Germany / USA16648 Posts
On May 28 2007 15:03 davidgurt wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2007 12:02 Carnac wrote:
There's no way to tell 100%, because the screen isn't centered on it at the right time, but I would guess that Gorush started morphing his hatchery at the natural into a lair before he started the expansion at the bottom right main, hence 2 hatch strat (tech started with 2 hatches). I am quite sure he went lair immediately before putting down his 3rd hatch. I just checked the VOD, but they show the hatch building, and then the lair morphing. I know..., what do you think I did before making my post? I'm just saying we cannot be 100% sure ourselves, but Savior probably watched the replay and saw what we just described with the lair being started before the 3rd hatchery was dropped.
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I really do not like the look of tvz on desperado
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On May 28 2007 16:18 fusionsdf wrote:
I really do not like the look of tvz on desperado
But look at the MSL Group B Winner (GoRush) interview:
GoRush - "On this map [Desperado] I could beat our teams online practice partners when I used terran. That is how good it is for terran."
And he thumbed Desperado down to play ZvT against Sea[Shield], preferring to play Monty Hall, Loki, and Python instead.
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Cayman Islands24199 Posts
On May 28 2007 04:24 himurakenshin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2007 20:35 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On May 27 2007 19:53 LastRomantic wrote:
What the hell? Going up against GoRush, you use those practice partners, and still hope to win?
~~ he's savior it doesn't matter as much as you think it does if gorush had done a 3hatch build savior would have wrecked him by the looks of the game itself man why are you always saying this? Savior didn't do anything in that game, you know it. He built marines, medics tanks and sci vessels. Any terran would do that. Infact half of the game he is running around with no medics. How can you say his tvz is top class? Progaming is based on extreme subtleties which seperate gosu's from chobo's and savior looked chobo in that game. I think because you are a big savior fan, it is clouding your vision. you sir are clearly knowledged in this subject
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On May 27 2007 21:19 SeBASTa wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2007 20:29 NeoIllusions wrote:On May 27 2007 19:53 LastRomantic wrote:
What the hell? Going up against GoRush, you use those practice partners, and still hope to win?
~~ That's essentially all the Z's CJ can offer sAviOr for practice. More importantly, why didn't sAviOr himself think of 2 hatch and ask to practice against it. -_- I think next time savior should practice his T against himself
Lol nice
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United States20661 Posts
Holy crap.
GoRush chose MONTY HALL [no wins in ProLeague for ZvT, and precious few in individual leagues] over Desperado.
Er...
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Germany / USA16648 Posts
maybe he has a secret strategy prepared!
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United States20661 Posts
One hopes.
Jaedong beat NaDa on the map. But that was such a cheesy game from NaDa - I mean, mass valks? That almost never works -_______-;;
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My speculation:
I imagine GoRush says this is a Terran map (in TvZ at least) because-
1. Split minerals + 2 gas + mineral only free expo= Terran gets 2.5 mineral and 2 gas quicker and safer than on a typical map. I call it 2.5 minerals because Terran can use a lower SCV count at main due to split minerals and doesn't need to waste time with a float for natural expo (see #2). Zerg typically will have lower drone count anway, so the split doesn't benefit them as much.
2. Choke point + free mineral only expo: Terran is in OK shape with a choke not near base. Zerg likes to use 2nd hatch as choke for Sunkens. So the 2nd gas at main isn't as big a deal to Zerg (UNLESS the Zerg goes for another start spot) since it's just the equivalent to a normal map's income for zerg or worse b/c the goofy choke. I'll call it 1.75 mineral and 2 gas for zerg if he wants sunkens at choke b/c he has to waste a hatch there. --- I don't have the VOD in front of me now, did GoRush put his 2nd hatch at choke and Sunken before the 3rd hatch?---
3. Island float for Terran's 3rd expo if lazy.
4. If Terran gets another main... Terran could have equivalent to 5 or 6 mineral + 4 gas. What more can a Terran ask for?
5. It's space platform terrain! Always looks anti-zerg when I see it. 
Savior was thinkin' like, "Macro is the only way to win vs a serious opponent. If it was me (Savior) playing Zerg, I'd take my mineral only safely to stay on par with Terran. Trying to get another main too quickly is too nutty, and that's why I'll try Terran cuz it feels safer on this map. Plus, what in the world would ZvZ be with 1 hatch dual gas?"
GoRush was like... A+B+C=only good way to beat Terran is get another start spot and go Muta crazy. Not gonna beat Terran on ground on this map. AKA screw the mineral war cuz Terran would win. The queen vs CC was just icing, I thought. Next Terran vs Zerg is going to build 2 bunkers by main... mark my words. 
I really like Savior, but he over-analyzed this one methinks. GoRush had a simple clear logical path to attend to on this map that Savior missed because of some assumptions and his personal feelings about Zerg on this map.
Anyway, still early to see how this map develops and therefore this is all just speculation... but this game certainly made the map interesting to keep an eye on.
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You play against GoRush and expect that he'll macro? Man, you should know your opponents better
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Ahahahah Blacklizard.
I'm sure that's what Savior was thinking too.
But getting ahead of myself, I think GR will have wonders planned on Monty Hall, in all seriousness.
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I hope all the zergs demolish savior if he tries to choose Terran again, thatll teach him!!!
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Rest of your games were flawless.
>To be honest, I didn't really mind about Python and Monty Hall. I could barely practice. I only thought about today's match against Tae Min. .
What a monster...
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