Progaming and the Foreigner - Page 5
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1tym
Korea (South)2425 Posts
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KissBlade
United States5718 Posts
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Nal_CrayOn
600 Posts
And I heard you might go to Korea to participate in courage? Then it would be best way to do it. No proteam accept players just by on-line test, they want to see how much you care about this game, especially u are a foreigner to Korean. So going to Korea basically shows that. Although for the draco's situation Nal leader and rekrul and spunky[z-zone] had some relationship so rekrul basically offered draco to live with him. I'm sure rekrul would love to help you, if you never done anything bad to him like someone | ||
Skew
United States1018 Posts
XiaOzi and White-Ra, as I usually mention, are talented, imo, and would like to go to Korea as I've asked them about it. XiaOzi's ZvP seems to be lacking lately, but his ZvT is very unique as far as foreigner zergs go and his ZvZ looked good to me. Ra on the other hand is one of the most unique foreigner protoss that I've played. Like Testie, he's very good with individual unit control and it gets him ahead big time in PvT/PvP. Havn't seen much of his PvZ, so can't say. | ||
uhjoo
Korea (South)1740 Posts
On February 21 2007 09:51 KissBlade wrote: Personally I think you're euphanising it uhjoo, the coaches aren't looking for a promising foreigner, they are looking for a promising /token/ foreigner. Much like the token Asian guys in Western media. Make no mistake, any sort of foreigner there is just for that, nothing more. This is why foreigner progamers will never get taken seriously in korea and thus have no chance of actual success. True, but not true at the same time. True that the "foreigner" angle is important, and tokenism is surely in play. No doubt about that whatsoever. Is it offensive? Maybe. But in my opinion it's better to look at it as sort of an affirmative action policy. Being a "token" helps that you can skip steps that would-be Korean gamers have to go through. Not true that foreigner progamers will never get taken seriously. Why would you say that? If you can produce results, why in the world *wouldn't* they take you seriously? If you can win consistently, I daresay a foreigner would be taken MORE seriously. Draco, for example, getting full page interviews and layouts on Fighter Forum without having done anything whatsoever-- Koreans do not get that sort of treatment at all. Imagine Draco making a Starleague in today's environment. People would freak out. Elky, who only really had moderate success-- I daresay he was more popular and known and discussed than many of his Korean peers who were more accomplished. | ||
KissBlade
United States5718 Posts
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SK.Testie
Canada11084 Posts
He is your best choice now, if he is interested. | ||
Excalibur_Z
United States12181 Posts
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Skew
United States1018 Posts
On February 21 2007 09:52 Nal_CrayOn wrote: Skew as far as draco's situation, what Nal could offer him was if he actually come to 'Korea' and 'stay' in Korea, then Nal_rrari (30+ old person who is friend with most proteam coachs) can give him a chance to have test for pro team. I think if you can actually prove your skill to 'Sasin' (since you are in sasin clan), sasin leader might uses his relationship to get u proteam test. (Most old clan leaders have good relationships since most coachs are old players) And I heard you might go to Korea to participate in courage? Then it would be best way to do it. No proteam accept players just by on-line test, they want to see how much you care about this game, especially u are a foreigner to Korean. So going to Korea basically shows that. Although for the draco's situation Nal leader and rekrul and spunky[z-zone] had some relationship so rekrul basically offered draco to live with him. I'm sure rekrul would love to help you, if you never done anything bad to him like someone I don't want to be on a pro team, necessarily, so I'd never ask K'-'n for that (even if he did have connections, which I'm pretty certain he doesn't). I plan to go to Korea and make an attempt for my semi license, but that's it. If I was offered money or had the chance to share the experience with other foreigners, then I'd join one, but those are the only conditions even if I was good enough, which I'm not close (and that comes back to the practice issues, but this is a problem of all foreigners). I can't even imagine how bad Draco's situation would be for me (not being able to speak to anyone, etc). I'd assume most feel the same way. | ||
bine
United States2352 Posts
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Born)Slippy
Norway1904 Posts
On February 21 2007 10:25 MYM.Testie wrote: Advokate with mass gaming. He is your best choice now, if he is interested. I've been reading through this discussion thinking the exact same thing. Advokate - and there are several Russians/former USSR residents who are very talented but we almost never hear of them. It's not as bad as China though, where there's a dozen high talents we (or, us mortals) never heard of. | ||
Skew
United States1018 Posts
On February 21 2007 10:49 bine wrote: what do you want to do with your semi license, if it's OK to ask? Because I won't be going alone for it. If I was to be accepted onto a pro team by a miracle of god, I'd be on my own without knowing the native language, which would make my love of SC turn into a depressing situation -_- | ||
HungerForMore
Afghanistan420 Posts
But one thing I don't understand is, the age issue? It doesn't make much sense that saying peoples hands get slower, wtf? I doubt that you get that mcuh slower... jeez. Why is it they want young ppl in there teams, can anyone explain that? | ||
bine
United States2352 Posts
On February 21 2007 12:16 HungerForMore wrote: Seriously. This is the best thread I've read in along time. I love it! But one thing I don't understand is, the age issue? It doesn't make much sense that saying peoples hands get slower, wtf? I doubt that you get that mcuh slower... jeez. Why is it they want young ppl in there teams, can anyone explain that? I think it probably has to do more with the time within someone's life than it does their hands, although I could be wrong about that. It seems to me like Uhjoo is suggesting that someone would have to be willing to go for multiple years and really dedicate themselves to achieving something. Someone either in college or out of college would probably have more ties to their current lives, and would have a harder time giving up everything than someone recently out of high school or something like that. I think it depends on the person, but in general I think the older you get the more attached you become to the particular place and situation you occupy. | ||
Pressure
7326 Posts
cleared up my questions about the wall between foreigner and progamer | ||
IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On February 21 2007 09:19 MYM.Testie wrote: IdrA shows more brilliance with his TvZ though. And if one were to go, it'd be him. IdrA is yielding better results now though, and seems the most likely to be a future top player. nah honestly skew would be a better pick than me, he improved so massively in the last season of pgt before it went down that if he had the oppurtunity for that practice day in and day out he would be exceptionally good very fast. not that i wouldnt find the oppurtunity extremly interesting, among other things. | ||
decafchicken
United States19904 Posts
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Sadist
United States6980 Posts
On February 21 2007 13:42 decafchicken wrote: I think that korea just has a bigger pool to pick from. SC is probably played by way more people there, so the good ones are more easily discovered. I'm sure there are tons of foreigners that would be talented enough to become ridiculously good, its just they never play sc, or know about the pro scene. koreans on bw are just homo can you actually imagine a team outside of asia not recruiting someone because they arent from their country? (we arent talking about national teams here, teams) I mean that would just be retarded, if you are in it to just play games who cares where you are from. | ||
Sadist
United States6980 Posts
On February 21 2007 13:42 decafchicken wrote: I think that korea just has a bigger pool to pick from. SC is probably played by way more people there, so the good ones are more easily discovered. I'm sure there are tons of foreigners that would be talented enough to become ridiculously good, its just they never play sc, or know about the pro scene. its a combination of the pool and the access to better practice. Theyd suck at bw too if they only had 20-30 or so "good" players and they lived thousands of miles a part and met once a year. Also These 20-30 players are restricted from having the best practice possible. | ||
DonAdr
7 Posts
he is known to be super-mass gaming for a lot of years.. could he make it? would he be interested? what do you think? | ||
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