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HotDOSBuns
Profile Joined February 2018
Canada172 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-13 13:08:02
February 13 2019 12:46 GMT
#14721
Well played series on both sides. Sad for the result but still enjoyed watching.

Of course by "sad for the result" I mean eating PB&J sandwiches at 6 in the morning for comfort.
Elmonti
Profile Joined July 2018
Spain299 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-13 13:31:13
February 13 2019 13:01 GMT
#14722
mmmm :/ ggs
This is starting to become trend: Scarlett takes the lead and in following "match balls" she throws the advantage and ends
up losing the series... It's clear that it's a mental thing, not a skill issue, so maybe there is a way to work on this, like professionally with a coach/psychologist, so she could stay calm in these kind of situations...

Anyways, tomorrow's WCS group should be easier, let's hope she makes it to that Ro8
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-13 15:14:10
February 13 2019 15:07 GMT
#14723
On February 13 2019 22:01 Elmonti wrote:
mmmm :/ ggs
This is starting to become trend: Scarlett takes the lead and in following "match balls" she throws the advantage and ends
up losing the series... It's clear that it's a mental thing, not a skill issue, so maybe there is a way to work on this, like professionally with a coach/psychologist, so she could stay calm in these kind of situations...

Anyways, tomorrow's WCS group should be easier, let's hope she makes it to that Ro8

It's a trend at this point. If I were a gambling man I would have put money on this exact situation happening. I have no idea what someone would do about this, I'm sure she's tried things but nothing working out too great

I haven't actually seen the games yet though, maybe it's too harsh to say anything before that
Community News"As long as you have a warp prism you can't be bad at harassment" - Maru | @SetGuitars2Kill
William paradise
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
1753 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-13 15:22:06
February 13 2019 15:19 GMT
#14724
On February 13 2019 22:01 Elmonti wrote:
mmmm :/ ggs
This is starting to become trend: Scarlett takes the lead and in following "match balls" she throws the advantage and ends
up losing the series... It's clear that it's a mental thing, not a skill issue, so maybe there is a way to work on this, like professionally with a coach/psychologist, so she could stay calm in these kind of situations...

Anyways, tomorrow's WCS group should be easier, let's hope she makes it to that Ro8

You could see after that very first map lost that it was over for her she was looking in good shape but right after that she looked toward the camera and her face just showed that her mind went in a totally different direction and she just looked a lot more anxious. her face shows alot also her hands she will start moving around more. in any case still cheering wcs is next and theres the next gsl.

ok
Solar424
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
United States4001 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-13 20:58:44
February 13 2019 20:58 GMT
#14725
I honestly can't say I'm surprised at this point, whatever killer instinct she once had is gone. She threw at least 3 of the games that she lost. I can't even count the number of series where she goes to match point, has a firm lead in the next-to-last game, and then throws it all away.
Novgoroth
Profile Joined July 2018
19 Posts
February 13 2019 21:10 GMT
#14726
Mostly thing missing: the surgical strike that will make the opponent kneel...
I was happy to see that Scarlett is still very competitive, I hope she will work on this to be able to kill, because she leads on all of her games ! And with that gameplay, she proves that she definitly has a rightfull place in the GSL.
But if she plays like this for WCS, then i think it should go very well for her. Good luck Sasha !
justaguywitha
Profile Joined July 2018
Austria70 Posts
February 14 2019 11:21 GMT
#14727
i am sure she and others talk also about the way she performs and analysis the outcome and i am sure she all knows that. that is not a problem that cant be solved.
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany6993 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-14 14:34:18
February 14 2019 14:34 GMT
#14728
On February 14 2019 20:21 justaguywitha wrote:
i am sure she and others talk also about the way she performs and analysis the outcome and i am sure she all knows that. that is not a problem that cant be solved.


I feel she could do way more Ling or Roach counters/ runby like Serral and Raynor do and cripple their opponents while holding the attack. This way she wouldn't need to do killings strikes cause the enemy would already be dead
Go Serral! GG EZ for Ence. Flashbang dance FTW
Novgoroth
Profile Joined July 2018
19 Posts
February 14 2019 14:45 GMT
#14729
Agree on that, some more harassements can really be helpfull on her games
Elmonti
Profile Joined July 2018
Spain299 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-14 16:06:32
February 14 2019 15:55 GMT
#14730
On February 14 2019 23:34 Harris1st wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2019 20:21 justaguywitha wrote:
i am sure she and others talk also about the way she performs and analysis the outcome and i am sure she all knows that. that is not a problem that cant be solved.


I feel she could do way more Ling or Roach counters/ runby like Serral and Raynor do and cripple their opponents while holding the attack. This way she wouldn't need to do killings strikes cause the enemy would already be dead


It's easy to say that from the observer position. But I bet it's hard to do runbies with Ling or Roaches when you have to defend from Immortal/sentries pushes, or when you drone up to keep the advantadge, or when you don't want to waste 5/6 larva to make a runby that will be shut down by a fast 3 zealots warp-in instead of building an army. Larva is also a resource in zergs, so you have to waste them wisely, not wasting half of it and 400 minerals to kill 5 probes. Those "a ling runby killed 20 probes" situations are the exception.

I don't know, I don't like those "she should do X in her games" coming from Plat/Diamond scrubs like us. And I know you say that in the "Aw, I wish she did this so she could win more games and make deeper runs" way, but I'm sure it annoys her A LOT jaja ^^.
William paradise
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
1753 Posts
February 14 2019 16:46 GMT
#14731
On February 15 2019 00:55 Elmonti wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2019 23:34 Harris1st wrote:
On February 14 2019 20:21 justaguywitha wrote:
i am sure she and others talk also about the way she performs and analysis the outcome and i am sure she all knows that. that is not a problem that cant be solved.


I feel she could do way more Ling or Roach counters/ runby like Serral and Raynor do and cripple their opponents while holding the attack. This way she wouldn't need to do killings strikes cause the enemy would already be dead


It's easy to say that from the observer position. But I bet it's hard to do runbies with Ling or Roaches when you have to defend from Immortal/sentries pushes, or when you drone up to keep the advantadge, or when you don't want to waste 5/6 larva to make a runby that will be shut down by a fast 3 zealots warp-in instead of building an army. Larva is also a resource in zergs, so you have to waste them wisely, not wasting half of it and 400 minerals to kill 5 probes. Those "a ling runby killed 20 probes" situations are the exception.

I don't know, I don't like those "she should do X in her games" coming from Plat/Diamond scrubs like us. And I know you say that in the "Aw, I wish she did this so she could win more games and make deeper runs" way, but I'm sure it annoys her A LOT jaja ^^.

from someone who doent even play the game i feel she should just win. just make all those units and kill her opponent
ok
blunderfulguy
Profile Blog Joined April 2016
United States1415 Posts
February 14 2019 19:30 GMT
#14732
On February 15 2019 00:55 Elmonti wrote:
I don't know, I don't like those "she should do X in her games" coming from Plat/Diamond scrubs like us. And I know you say that in the "Aw, I wish she did this so she could win more games and make deeper runs" way, but I'm sure it annoys her A LOT jaja ^^.

I definitely agree with this. There are a thousand and one things everyone can do differently in every game, saying anyone should do X or be more like what you wish they would be is... Silly to me, to be polite. Even if people feel the same way, it never seems like a positive way to have a conversation about someone.

I was hoping to see something like "how do you feel about the timing and positioning of those Nydus and SH? I feel like if X or Y went differently it would have been that killing blow she needed..." instead of "I wish she would be this way." I miss when that was more common with SC players in general, TL fan clubs and otherwise. Guess I should've said it myself.
Blunder Man doing everything thing a blunder can.
justaguywitha
Profile Joined July 2018
Austria70 Posts
February 14 2019 20:28 GMT
#14733
i also think that is unnecessary, pls stop, she is the most paid female progamer world wide, she knows what she was doing wrong and right, she doesnt need you guys to know that. it is fine if people discuss what could have made her win, but phrase it like a discussion about her games, not how she should have playing. big difference and doesnt let you look like douchebags, because i dont think you dont mean to sound like one. she also plays that game on the highest level since it came out. when i started sc2 in 2010 i was silver most of the time. in hots i reached gold and now i was able the firstt time in my life to get diamond. if i remember correctly she said once on her stream, she was GM in the FIRST season she played sc2. thats insane and just proves that she is talented.
reynore trains runbys, scarlett did them in the past, trained different strategies, so opponents cant read her well if she is doing like everyone else too. "oh top zerg, lets secure my bases for runbys" whoops minerals unnecessarily spent because there wasnt a single one.
i dont think there is any reason to critizie her, this is not a strategy or training club for scarlett, it is her fan club. sometimes i question a few here if they are really her fans or just shittalkers. sometimes it is better not to say or post anything you might thing is helpful. you might have good intention, but mostly its effect is the opposite.
you always should keep in mind, she is in the top 20 of the WORLD. she knows the game better than all our knowledge of the game together. every advice you give here to her, she already knows that. are you guys never annoyed by people who explain to you things you already know? i really hate that. in real life you can stop these people and say, yeah i already know, you can stop explaining. on the web, what is posted, is posted.

excuse me for the longer "rant", i am not angry at anyone, just wanted to share my thoughts about this kind of comments.

hero is a fucking good player and he was a bit better than her, there is no shame in losing against him.
Rodya
Profile Joined January 2018
546 Posts
February 14 2019 20:42 GMT
#14734
so much overreacting in this thread

she lost in GSL... that isn't embarassing or unprecedented at all. Her group had Maru and herO, so she didn't get an easy group. There isn't a harder tournament in the entire world, and she was highly competitive in it even though she lost. She will probably get top 4 in the foreigner tournament.
Banned for saying "zerg players are by far the biggest whiners in sc2 history" despite the fact that this forum is full of such posts about Terrans. Foreigner Elitists in control!
Kalera
Profile Joined January 2018
United States338 Posts
February 14 2019 21:15 GMT
#14735
Scarlett looked pretty good in her WCS Group today. Just saying.
justaguywitha
Profile Joined July 2018
Austria70 Posts
February 14 2019 21:23 GMT
#14736
On February 15 2019 05:42 Rodya wrote:
so much overreacting in this thread

she lost in GSL... that isn't embarassing or unprecedented at all. Her group had Maru and herO, so she didn't get an easy group. There isn't a harder tournament in the entire world, and she was highly competitive in it even though she lost. She will probably get top 4 in the foreigner tournament.

this

also congrats to the win today, well deserved against special
Shadow_of_Revenge
Profile Joined September 2017
Switzerland14 Posts
February 14 2019 21:25 GMT
#14737
On February 15 2019 05:28 justaguywitha wrote:
i also think that is unnecessary, pls stop, she is the most paid female progamer world wide, she knows what she was doing wrong and right, she doesnt need you guys to know that. it is fine if people discuss what could have made her win, but phrase it like a discussion about her games, not how she should have playing. big difference and doesnt let you look like douchebags, because i dont think you dont mean to sound like one. she also plays that game on the highest level since it came out. when i started sc2 in 2010 i was silver most of the time. in hots i reached gold and now i was able the firstt time in my life to get diamond. if i remember correctly she said once on her stream, she was GM in the FIRST season she played sc2. thats insane and just proves that she is talented.
reynore trains runbys, scarlett did them in the past, trained different strategies, so opponents cant read her well if she is doing like everyone else too. "oh top zerg, lets secure my bases for runbys" whoops minerals unnecessarily spent because there wasnt a single one.
i dont think there is any reason to critizie her, this is not a strategy or training club for scarlett, it is her fan club. sometimes i question a few here if they are really her fans or just shittalkers. sometimes it is better not to say or post anything you might thing is helpful. you might have good intention, but mostly its effect is the opposite.
you always should keep in mind, she is in the top 20 of the WORLD. she knows the game better than all our knowledge of the game together. every advice you give here to her, she already knows that. are you guys never annoyed by people who explain to you things you already know? i really hate that. in real life you can stop these people and say, yeah i already know, you can stop explaining. on the web, what is posted, is posted.

excuse me for the longer "rant", i am not angry at anyone, just wanted to share my thoughts about this kind of comments.

hero is a fucking good player and he was a bit better than her, there is no shame in losing against him.


Terve!
Thank you for saying this. Scarlett's performance is very, very good right now and the nerves that got to her aren't anything new (I think I remember a game vs. Innovation when she almost 2-0'd him but then took a poor engagement which threw her off in GSL Season 2 2018). Sure I am sad when she loses, but I just love her style of play - so much variance.
GGWP in WCS Winter and the GSL - looking forward to more games.
Also thanks to the people who run the fanclub. I'd be missing so many games of her if it wasn't for this fanclub.

I am Shadow - the one and only.
Soke
Profile Joined September 2012
United States790 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-14 21:43:34
February 14 2019 21:42 GMT
#14738
Scarlett played well today, which is not surprising. She was in winning positions against hero in 4 games, so she's clearly playing well. I think the "overreaction" in this thread comes from disappointment. Scarlett could have honestly 4-0'd herO, and the 2nd game of the last series absolutely should have been a win. She was so close, playing really well, for it to all come undone so quickly because of catastrophic mistakes. It's very encouraging that she puts herself in these winning positions, but then it becomes heartbreak to see it lost so quickly. This isn't really new though, so I don't get the "she lost her killer instinct" thing. Games like these have happened plenty throughout her career. sOs at Red Bull, Trap at MLG. They just happen. Honestly I'd prefer to see it now than in a match that might determine her Blizzcon qualification or an otherwise more important game. (I think she does get more nervous at GSL though) She can take positives from these matches. She outplayed herO in a lot of them, and even came back from some terrible early games.

She'll have more opportunities with the GSL rule reversion, but now we look to IEM where she'll need to find that killing blow against herO to advance.
Djsoke
Elmonti
Profile Joined July 2018
Spain299 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-14 21:54:04
February 14 2019 21:51 GMT
#14739
Well that escalated quickly... I think some people are overreacting telling people they look like douchebags. I just said that meaning that "strategies discussion" can be made in a polite way and never telling her what she should do, and not going like "She should do X...if she does X, she would win". And imho this fanclub is not just to tell her how great she is... I think there is room for discussion and criticism, as long as it's in a polite and humble way, assuming each other's position and knowledge in the game of Startcraft the Second.

GGWP in WCS... In the last game vs Special I loved that she took a fourth back there instead of trying to keep the mid one vs tanks. She played really well today!

Btw, is there any benefit in making it first of the group facing the Ro8?... I've thought about that everyday i've seen WCS...
William paradise
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
1753 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-14 21:59:26
February 14 2019 21:55 GMT
#14740
On February 15 2019 06:42 Soke wrote:
Scarlett played well today, which is not surprising. She was in winning positions against hero in 4 games, so she's clearly playing well. I think the "overreaction" in this thread comes from disappointment. Scarlett could have honestly 4-0'd herO, and the 2nd game of the last series absolutely should have been a win. She was so close, playing really well, for it to all come undone so quickly because of catastrophic mistakes. It's very encouraging that she puts herself in these winning positions, but then it becomes heartbreak to see it lost so quickly. This isn't really new though, so I don't get the "she lost her killer instinct" thing. Games like these have happened plenty throughout her career. sOs at Red Bull, Trap at MLG. They just happen. Honestly I'd prefer to see it now than in a match that might determine her Blizzcon qualification or an otherwise more important game. (I think she does get more nervous at GSL though) She can take positives from these matches. She outplayed herO in a lot of them, and even came back from some terrible early games.

She'll have more opportunities with the GSL rule reversion, but now we look to IEM where she'll need to find that killing blow against herO to advance.

yea i really never thought about because she's been is gsl for a long time now but maybe its still gets to her a little more nerves than other tournaments but she still plays really good against the best players in world. and she played great games against special who really is one of the best foreign terrans in the world. so well see her in the round robin and iem so there's some good opportunities for her. always cheering for her in any case.

also I really like how in wcs she waited patiently and not take bad battles or battles that jusrt lose the match
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