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On April 16 2012 09:09 Scarlett` wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2012 09:03 FroggerScarletFan wrote:
Hey scarlett Im guessing this happens in your leagues as well, but do you have a replay of ZvP ffe double stargate into gateway robo follow up? It seems I can't scout it soon enough and voids are so strong that with 2 stargate I can't get enough queens / spores to defend it. double stargate seems to be very rare on NA server (though I saw it a few games ZvP from his KR replay pack - it seems the correct response is to counterattack as they will have had to cut all but 2 sentries ; and if they didn't heavily cannon up they should just die you want to check gas count at natural with overlord and if they get a 3rd super quickly ;; (before 6min? or so) you need to be worried about 2stargate or quick DT ~ make a spore at nat and 3rd (maybe main map dependant) at around 7:30 if they got 3rd gas that early in terms of the robo follow up, it can be tricky but i would make a few extra queens then go into infestors (hydras really are kinda bad other than for early-midgame aggro or holding immortal all ins) Show nested quote +On April 16 2012 07:28 FroggerScarletFan wrote:So Scarlett since your eastern timezone this announcment will be in 5 1/2 hours at 12am right  ? i'm not sure; will most likely be late in the day EST ~ so maybe not until about 24 hours from now
Alright thanks for the advice I've recently started laddering hard being inspired by your run at ipl4 went from gold to plat in a day and have diamond mmr now and Ive been proxy stargated once and had a double stargate with gates and robo in the back for follow up twice now, at about 10 minutes 3 voids hit and at that point I had a few waves of roaches going and hadn't dropped the spire that I like to drop yet and no infestors and as the guy below this post said I was tricked into making hydras in 2 games since the building is a quick build and my spores and queens got destroyed. Other than that I find pvz rather easy cheese builds make the win even easier and if they try to macro and hold the 3 base can almost always take them down.
Sadly not being in masters yet though platinum and diamond are full of cheese Ive even experienced all in dt's where like 20 of them hit all my bases and I had no detection about a week ago I really need to improve my scouting I have overlords placed near the natural and exits almost always but I use that to know when they attack I have no idea if colossus dt or stargate tech is coming until way too late.
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cant wait to hear about the teaaaaam
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On April 16 2012 09:25 FroggerScarletFan wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2012 09:09 Scarlett` wrote:On April 16 2012 09:03 FroggerScarletFan wrote:
Hey scarlett Im guessing this happens in your leagues as well, but do you have a replay of ZvP ffe double stargate into gateway robo follow up? It seems I can't scout it soon enough and voids are so strong that with 2 stargate I can't get enough queens / spores to defend it. double stargate seems to be very rare on NA server (though I saw it a few games ZvP from his KR replay pack - it seems the correct response is to counterattack as they will have had to cut all but 2 sentries ; and if they didn't heavily cannon up they should just die you want to check gas count at natural with overlord and if they get a 3rd super quickly ;; (before 6min? or so) you need to be worried about 2stargate or quick DT ~ make a spore at nat and 3rd (maybe main map dependant) at around 7:30 if they got 3rd gas that early in terms of the robo follow up, it can be tricky but i would make a few extra queens then go into infestors (hydras really are kinda bad other than for early-midgame aggro or holding immortal all ins) On April 16 2012 07:28 FroggerScarletFan wrote:So Scarlett since your eastern timezone this announcment will be in 5 1/2 hours at 12am right ? i'm not sure; will most likely be late in the day EST ~ so maybe not until about 24 hours from now Alright thanks for the advice I've recently started laddering hard being inspired by your run at ipl4 went from gold to plat in a day and have diamond mmr now and Ive been proxy stargated once and had a double stargate with gates and robo in the back for follow up twice now, at about 10 minutes 3 voids hit and at that point I had a few waves of roaches going and hadn't dropped the spire that I like to drop yet and no infestors and as the guy below this post said I was tricked into making hydras in 2 games since the building is a quick build and my spores and queens got destroyed. Other than that I find pvz rather easy cheese builds make the win even easier and if they try to macro and hold the 3 base can almost always take them down. Sadly not being in masters yet though platinum and diamond are full of cheese Ive even experienced all in dt's where like 20 of them hit all my bases and I had no detection about a week ago I really need to improve my scouting I have overlords placed near the natural and exits almost always but I use that to know when they attack I have no idea if colossus dt or stargate tech is coming until way too late.
Idk where this myth came from that cheese gets less common the higher ranked you are but I assure you its not true.
I've never been in gold but I have been platinum and mid-masters (still pretty low, I know) and there was no difference there that I could see. Maybe if you get to an even higher level (like Scarlett) it settles down but I really doubt it. You'll have to learn to defend cheese !
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On April 16 2012 09:28 Bibbit wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2012 09:25 FroggerScarletFan wrote:On April 16 2012 09:09 Scarlett` wrote:On April 16 2012 09:03 FroggerScarletFan wrote:
Hey scarlett Im guessing this happens in your leagues as well, but do you have a replay of ZvP ffe double stargate into gateway robo follow up? It seems I can't scout it soon enough and voids are so strong that with 2 stargate I can't get enough queens / spores to defend it. double stargate seems to be very rare on NA server (though I saw it a few games ZvP from his KR replay pack - it seems the correct response is to counterattack as they will have had to cut all but 2 sentries ; and if they didn't heavily cannon up they should just die you want to check gas count at natural with overlord and if they get a 3rd super quickly ;; (before 6min? or so) you need to be worried about 2stargate or quick DT ~ make a spore at nat and 3rd (maybe main map dependant) at around 7:30 if they got 3rd gas that early in terms of the robo follow up, it can be tricky but i would make a few extra queens then go into infestors (hydras really are kinda bad other than for early-midgame aggro or holding immortal all ins) On April 16 2012 07:28 FroggerScarletFan wrote:So Scarlett since your eastern timezone this announcment will be in 5 1/2 hours at 12am right ? i'm not sure; will most likely be late in the day EST ~ so maybe not until about 24 hours from now Alright thanks for the advice I've recently started laddering hard being inspired by your run at ipl4 went from gold to plat in a day and have diamond mmr now and Ive been proxy stargated once and had a double stargate with gates and robo in the back for follow up twice now, at about 10 minutes 3 voids hit and at that point I had a few waves of roaches going and hadn't dropped the spire that I like to drop yet and no infestors and as the guy below this post said I was tricked into making hydras in 2 games since the building is a quick build and my spores and queens got destroyed. Other than that I find pvz rather easy cheese builds make the win even easier and if they try to macro and hold the 3 base can almost always take them down. Sadly not being in masters yet though platinum and diamond are full of cheese Ive even experienced all in dt's where like 20 of them hit all my bases and I had no detection about a week ago I really need to improve my scouting I have overlords placed near the natural and exits almost always but I use that to know when they attack I have no idea if colossus dt or stargate tech is coming until way too late. Idk where this myth came from that cheese gets less common the higher ranked you are but I assure you its not true. I've never been in gold but I have been platinum and mid-masters (still pretty low, I know) and there was no difference there that I could see. Maybe if you get to an even higher level (like Scarlett) it settles down but I really doubt it. You'll have to learn to defend cheese !
Yeah, the cheese never goes away, they just start getting better at it the higher up you go. 
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On April 16 2012 09:28 Bibbit wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2012 09:25 FroggerScarletFan wrote:On April 16 2012 09:09 Scarlett` wrote:On April 16 2012 09:03 FroggerScarletFan wrote:
Hey scarlett Im guessing this happens in your leagues as well, but do you have a replay of ZvP ffe double stargate into gateway robo follow up? It seems I can't scout it soon enough and voids are so strong that with 2 stargate I can't get enough queens / spores to defend it. double stargate seems to be very rare on NA server (though I saw it a few games ZvP from his KR replay pack - it seems the correct response is to counterattack as they will have had to cut all but 2 sentries ; and if they didn't heavily cannon up they should just die you want to check gas count at natural with overlord and if they get a 3rd super quickly ;; (before 6min? or so) you need to be worried about 2stargate or quick DT ~ make a spore at nat and 3rd (maybe main map dependant) at around 7:30 if they got 3rd gas that early in terms of the robo follow up, it can be tricky but i would make a few extra queens then go into infestors (hydras really are kinda bad other than for early-midgame aggro or holding immortal all ins) On April 16 2012 07:28 FroggerScarletFan wrote:So Scarlett since your eastern timezone this announcment will be in 5 1/2 hours at 12am right ? i'm not sure; will most likely be late in the day EST ~ so maybe not until about 24 hours from now Alright thanks for the advice I've recently started laddering hard being inspired by your run at ipl4 went from gold to plat in a day and have diamond mmr now and Ive been proxy stargated once and had a double stargate with gates and robo in the back for follow up twice now, at about 10 minutes 3 voids hit and at that point I had a few waves of roaches going and hadn't dropped the spire that I like to drop yet and no infestors and as the guy below this post said I was tricked into making hydras in 2 games since the building is a quick build and my spores and queens got destroyed. Other than that I find pvz rather easy cheese builds make the win even easier and if they try to macro and hold the 3 base can almost always take them down. Sadly not being in masters yet though platinum and diamond are full of cheese Ive even experienced all in dt's where like 20 of them hit all my bases and I had no detection about a week ago I really need to improve my scouting I have overlords placed near the natural and exits almost always but I use that to know when they attack I have no idea if colossus dt or stargate tech is coming until way too late. Idk where this myth came from that cheese gets less common the higher ranked you are but I assure you its not true. I've never been in gold but I have been platinum and mid-masters (still pretty low, I know) and there was no difference there that I could see. Maybe if you get to an even higher level (like Scarlett) it settles down but I really doubt it. You'll have to learn to defend cheese !
Maybe it's because I'm a random, but I played mid-master/high diamond the last 3 seasons and I only see cheeses like 1 out of 10 games and I have probably played 300 games or more in that period. Most of them aren't even strong cheeses either.
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On April 16 2012 09:34 Chytilova wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2012 09:28 Bibbit wrote:On April 16 2012 09:25 FroggerScarletFan wrote:On April 16 2012 09:09 Scarlett` wrote:On April 16 2012 09:03 FroggerScarletFan wrote:
Hey scarlett Im guessing this happens in your leagues as well, but do you have a replay of ZvP ffe double stargate into gateway robo follow up? It seems I can't scout it soon enough and voids are so strong that with 2 stargate I can't get enough queens / spores to defend it. double stargate seems to be very rare on NA server (though I saw it a few games ZvP from his KR replay pack - it seems the correct response is to counterattack as they will have had to cut all but 2 sentries ; and if they didn't heavily cannon up they should just die you want to check gas count at natural with overlord and if they get a 3rd super quickly ;; (before 6min? or so) you need to be worried about 2stargate or quick DT ~ make a spore at nat and 3rd (maybe main map dependant) at around 7:30 if they got 3rd gas that early in terms of the robo follow up, it can be tricky but i would make a few extra queens then go into infestors (hydras really are kinda bad other than for early-midgame aggro or holding immortal all ins) On April 16 2012 07:28 FroggerScarletFan wrote:So Scarlett since your eastern timezone this announcment will be in 5 1/2 hours at 12am right ? i'm not sure; will most likely be late in the day EST ~ so maybe not until about 24 hours from now Alright thanks for the advice I've recently started laddering hard being inspired by your run at ipl4 went from gold to plat in a day and have diamond mmr now and Ive been proxy stargated once and had a double stargate with gates and robo in the back for follow up twice now, at about 10 minutes 3 voids hit and at that point I had a few waves of roaches going and hadn't dropped the spire that I like to drop yet and no infestors and as the guy below this post said I was tricked into making hydras in 2 games since the building is a quick build and my spores and queens got destroyed. Other than that I find pvz rather easy cheese builds make the win even easier and if they try to macro and hold the 3 base can almost always take them down. Sadly not being in masters yet though platinum and diamond are full of cheese Ive even experienced all in dt's where like 20 of them hit all my bases and I had no detection about a week ago I really need to improve my scouting I have overlords placed near the natural and exits almost always but I use that to know when they attack I have no idea if colossus dt or stargate tech is coming until way too late. Idk where this myth came from that cheese gets less common the higher ranked you are but I assure you its not true. I've never been in gold but I have been platinum and mid-masters (still pretty low, I know) and there was no difference there that I could see. Maybe if you get to an even higher level (like Scarlett) it settles down but I really doubt it. You'll have to learn to defend cheese ! Maybe it's because I'm a random, but I played mid-master/high diamond the last 3 seasons and I only see cheeses like 1 out of 10 games and I have probably played 300 games or more in that period. Most of them aren't even strong cheeses either.
Harder to cheese random, I'd say. You have to treat each race differently when you're cheesing, so it's either gonna be weaker, or they just won't bother.
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On April 16 2012 09:34 Chytilova wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2012 09:28 Bibbit wrote:On April 16 2012 09:25 FroggerScarletFan wrote:On April 16 2012 09:09 Scarlett` wrote:On April 16 2012 09:03 FroggerScarletFan wrote:
Hey scarlett Im guessing this happens in your leagues as well, but do you have a replay of ZvP ffe double stargate into gateway robo follow up? It seems I can't scout it soon enough and voids are so strong that with 2 stargate I can't get enough queens / spores to defend it. double stargate seems to be very rare on NA server (though I saw it a few games ZvP from his KR replay pack - it seems the correct response is to counterattack as they will have had to cut all but 2 sentries ; and if they didn't heavily cannon up they should just die you want to check gas count at natural with overlord and if they get a 3rd super quickly ;; (before 6min? or so) you need to be worried about 2stargate or quick DT ~ make a spore at nat and 3rd (maybe main map dependant) at around 7:30 if they got 3rd gas that early in terms of the robo follow up, it can be tricky but i would make a few extra queens then go into infestors (hydras really are kinda bad other than for early-midgame aggro or holding immortal all ins) On April 16 2012 07:28 FroggerScarletFan wrote:So Scarlett since your eastern timezone this announcment will be in 5 1/2 hours at 12am right ? i'm not sure; will most likely be late in the day EST ~ so maybe not until about 24 hours from now Alright thanks for the advice I've recently started laddering hard being inspired by your run at ipl4 went from gold to plat in a day and have diamond mmr now and Ive been proxy stargated once and had a double stargate with gates and robo in the back for follow up twice now, at about 10 minutes 3 voids hit and at that point I had a few waves of roaches going and hadn't dropped the spire that I like to drop yet and no infestors and as the guy below this post said I was tricked into making hydras in 2 games since the building is a quick build and my spores and queens got destroyed. Other than that I find pvz rather easy cheese builds make the win even easier and if they try to macro and hold the 3 base can almost always take them down. Sadly not being in masters yet though platinum and diamond are full of cheese Ive even experienced all in dt's where like 20 of them hit all my bases and I had no detection about a week ago I really need to improve my scouting I have overlords placed near the natural and exits almost always but I use that to know when they attack I have no idea if colossus dt or stargate tech is coming until way too late. Idk where this myth came from that cheese gets less common the higher ranked you are but I assure you its not true. I've never been in gold but I have been platinum and mid-masters (still pretty low, I know) and there was no difference there that I could see. Maybe if you get to an even higher level (like Scarlett) it settles down but I really doubt it. You'll have to learn to defend cheese ! Maybe it's because I'm a random, but I played mid-master/high diamond the last 3 seasons and I only see cheeses like 1 out of 10 games and I have probably played 300 games or more in that period. Most of them aren't even strong cheeses either.
That's because strong cheeses rarely work well on all 3 races. 6pooling is bad against T, 2raxing doesn't do amazing against P/T either.
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On April 16 2012 09:34 Chytilova wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2012 09:28 Bibbit wrote:On April 16 2012 09:25 FroggerScarletFan wrote:On April 16 2012 09:09 Scarlett` wrote:On April 16 2012 09:03 FroggerScarletFan wrote:
Hey scarlett Im guessing this happens in your leagues as well, but do you have a replay of ZvP ffe double stargate into gateway robo follow up? It seems I can't scout it soon enough and voids are so strong that with 2 stargate I can't get enough queens / spores to defend it. double stargate seems to be very rare on NA server (though I saw it a few games ZvP from his KR replay pack - it seems the correct response is to counterattack as they will have had to cut all but 2 sentries ; and if they didn't heavily cannon up they should just die you want to check gas count at natural with overlord and if they get a 3rd super quickly ;; (before 6min? or so) you need to be worried about 2stargate or quick DT ~ make a spore at nat and 3rd (maybe main map dependant) at around 7:30 if they got 3rd gas that early in terms of the robo follow up, it can be tricky but i would make a few extra queens then go into infestors (hydras really are kinda bad other than for early-midgame aggro or holding immortal all ins) On April 16 2012 07:28 FroggerScarletFan wrote:So Scarlett since your eastern timezone this announcment will be in 5 1/2 hours at 12am right ? i'm not sure; will most likely be late in the day EST ~ so maybe not until about 24 hours from now Alright thanks for the advice I've recently started laddering hard being inspired by your run at ipl4 went from gold to plat in a day and have diamond mmr now and Ive been proxy stargated once and had a double stargate with gates and robo in the back for follow up twice now, at about 10 minutes 3 voids hit and at that point I had a few waves of roaches going and hadn't dropped the spire that I like to drop yet and no infestors and as the guy below this post said I was tricked into making hydras in 2 games since the building is a quick build and my spores and queens got destroyed. Other than that I find pvz rather easy cheese builds make the win even easier and if they try to macro and hold the 3 base can almost always take them down. Sadly not being in masters yet though platinum and diamond are full of cheese Ive even experienced all in dt's where like 20 of them hit all my bases and I had no detection about a week ago I really need to improve my scouting I have overlords placed near the natural and exits almost always but I use that to know when they attack I have no idea if colossus dt or stargate tech is coming until way too late. Idk where this myth came from that cheese gets less common the higher ranked you are but I assure you its not true. I've never been in gold but I have been platinum and mid-masters (still pretty low, I know) and there was no difference there that I could see. Maybe if you get to an even higher level (like Scarlett) it settles down but I really doubt it. You'll have to learn to defend cheese ! Maybe it's because I'm a random, but I played mid-master/high diamond the last 3 seasons and I only see cheeses like 1 out of 10 games and I have probably played 300 games or more in that period. Most of them aren't even strong cheeses either.
its almost impossible to cheese a random and palying against a random messes up your build order so its harder to hit your timing attack
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Well I don't mind some cheese but do masters players really do dt all ins and all that bs crap
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On April 16 2012 09:53 FroggerScarletFan wrote:
Well I don't mind some cheese but do masters players really do dt all ins and all that bs crap
Absolutely! In fact, when I was masters with Protoss, my PvZ (aka the matchup that kept me in masters while I lost all my PvTs) was almost exclusively FFE -> 4 Gate +1 zealot pressure -> some sort of bullshit 2 base all-in. Could be +2 blink stalkers, colossus all-in, something with warp prism/immortal, with DTs etc etc.
Yes its shameful but yes it works ! Or it did about 4 months ago.
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On April 16 2012 09:53 FroggerScarletFan wrote:
Well I don't mind some cheese but do masters players really do dt all ins and all that bs crap
Not just master players, even grandmaster players do it! Every league/skill level does it, the league/skill level is only indicative of how well they do it.
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On April 16 2012 09:52 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2012 09:34 Chytilova wrote:On April 16 2012 09:28 Bibbit wrote:On April 16 2012 09:25 FroggerScarletFan wrote:On April 16 2012 09:09 Scarlett` wrote:On April 16 2012 09:03 FroggerScarletFan wrote:
Hey scarlett Im guessing this happens in your leagues as well, but do you have a replay of ZvP ffe double stargate into gateway robo follow up? It seems I can't scout it soon enough and voids are so strong that with 2 stargate I can't get enough queens / spores to defend it. double stargate seems to be very rare on NA server (though I saw it a few games ZvP from his KR replay pack - it seems the correct response is to counterattack as they will have had to cut all but 2 sentries ; and if they didn't heavily cannon up they should just die you want to check gas count at natural with overlord and if they get a 3rd super quickly ;; (before 6min? or so) you need to be worried about 2stargate or quick DT ~ make a spore at nat and 3rd (maybe main map dependant) at around 7:30 if they got 3rd gas that early in terms of the robo follow up, it can be tricky but i would make a few extra queens then go into infestors (hydras really are kinda bad other than for early-midgame aggro or holding immortal all ins) On April 16 2012 07:28 FroggerScarletFan wrote:So Scarlett since your eastern timezone this announcment will be in 5 1/2 hours at 12am right ? i'm not sure; will most likely be late in the day EST ~ so maybe not until about 24 hours from now Alright thanks for the advice I've recently started laddering hard being inspired by your run at ipl4 went from gold to plat in a day and have diamond mmr now and Ive been proxy stargated once and had a double stargate with gates and robo in the back for follow up twice now, at about 10 minutes 3 voids hit and at that point I had a few waves of roaches going and hadn't dropped the spire that I like to drop yet and no infestors and as the guy below this post said I was tricked into making hydras in 2 games since the building is a quick build and my spores and queens got destroyed. Other than that I find pvz rather easy cheese builds make the win even easier and if they try to macro and hold the 3 base can almost always take them down. Sadly not being in masters yet though platinum and diamond are full of cheese Ive even experienced all in dt's where like 20 of them hit all my bases and I had no detection about a week ago I really need to improve my scouting I have overlords placed near the natural and exits almost always but I use that to know when they attack I have no idea if colossus dt or stargate tech is coming until way too late. Idk where this myth came from that cheese gets less common the higher ranked you are but I assure you its not true. I've never been in gold but I have been platinum and mid-masters (still pretty low, I know) and there was no difference there that I could see. Maybe if you get to an even higher level (like Scarlett) it settles down but I really doubt it. You'll have to learn to defend cheese ! Maybe it's because I'm a random, but I played mid-master/high diamond the last 3 seasons and I only see cheeses like 1 out of 10 games and I have probably played 300 games or more in that period. Most of them aren't even strong cheeses either. its almost impossible to cheese a random and palying against a random messes up your build order so its harder to hit your timing attack
Yeah I try to tell my race most of the time, but it's kind of funny how badly their builds get when playing a random especially ZvP. Protosses are completely confused against Z when they don't FFE. Because of that though I make a point to tell protosses I'm Z after I won easily three games in a row against extremely sloppy pressure and expand builds.
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On April 16 2012 10:07 Chytilova wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2012 09:52 Forikorder wrote:On April 16 2012 09:34 Chytilova wrote:On April 16 2012 09:28 Bibbit wrote:On April 16 2012 09:25 FroggerScarletFan wrote:On April 16 2012 09:09 Scarlett` wrote:On April 16 2012 09:03 FroggerScarletFan wrote:
Hey scarlett Im guessing this happens in your leagues as well, but do you have a replay of ZvP ffe double stargate into gateway robo follow up? It seems I can't scout it soon enough and voids are so strong that with 2 stargate I can't get enough queens / spores to defend it. double stargate seems to be very rare on NA server (though I saw it a few games ZvP from his KR replay pack - it seems the correct response is to counterattack as they will have had to cut all but 2 sentries ; and if they didn't heavily cannon up they should just die you want to check gas count at natural with overlord and if they get a 3rd super quickly ;; (before 6min? or so) you need to be worried about 2stargate or quick DT ~ make a spore at nat and 3rd (maybe main map dependant) at around 7:30 if they got 3rd gas that early in terms of the robo follow up, it can be tricky but i would make a few extra queens then go into infestors (hydras really are kinda bad other than for early-midgame aggro or holding immortal all ins) On April 16 2012 07:28 FroggerScarletFan wrote:So Scarlett since your eastern timezone this announcment will be in 5 1/2 hours at 12am right ? i'm not sure; will most likely be late in the day EST ~ so maybe not until about 24 hours from now Alright thanks for the advice I've recently started laddering hard being inspired by your run at ipl4 went from gold to plat in a day and have diamond mmr now and Ive been proxy stargated once and had a double stargate with gates and robo in the back for follow up twice now, at about 10 minutes 3 voids hit and at that point I had a few waves of roaches going and hadn't dropped the spire that I like to drop yet and no infestors and as the guy below this post said I was tricked into making hydras in 2 games since the building is a quick build and my spores and queens got destroyed. Other than that I find pvz rather easy cheese builds make the win even easier and if they try to macro and hold the 3 base can almost always take them down. Sadly not being in masters yet though platinum and diamond are full of cheese Ive even experienced all in dt's where like 20 of them hit all my bases and I had no detection about a week ago I really need to improve my scouting I have overlords placed near the natural and exits almost always but I use that to know when they attack I have no idea if colossus dt or stargate tech is coming until way too late. Idk where this myth came from that cheese gets less common the higher ranked you are but I assure you its not true. I've never been in gold but I have been platinum and mid-masters (still pretty low, I know) and there was no difference there that I could see. Maybe if you get to an even higher level (like Scarlett) it settles down but I really doubt it. You'll have to learn to defend cheese ! Maybe it's because I'm a random, but I played mid-master/high diamond the last 3 seasons and I only see cheeses like 1 out of 10 games and I have probably played 300 games or more in that period. Most of them aren't even strong cheeses either. its almost impossible to cheese a random and palying against a random messes up your build order so its harder to hit your timing attack Yeah I try to tell my race most of the time, but it's kind of funny how badly their builds get when playing a random especially ZvP. Protosses are completely confused against Z when they don't FFE. Because of that though I make a point to tell protosses I'm Z after I won easily three games in a row against extremely sloppy pressure and expand builds.
They probably don't believe you. Better to take the risk and have some sort of chance in PvZ with a gateway first than just dying to a Terran or Protoss because you went forge first.
Anyway, this isn't really... related to Scarlett at all, so we should probably stop this line of discussion. >__>
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Scarlett - once more being a bawss and telling her fans how it's done...
Seriously, can you imagine MC or Bomber (who actually has a TL account) giving tips to their fans? I'm sure some other pros do it, but Scarlett is really being super great to us.
Can't wait to hear the big announcement.
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On April 16 2012 10:10 corpuscle wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2012 10:07 Chytilova wrote:On April 16 2012 09:52 Forikorder wrote:On April 16 2012 09:34 Chytilova wrote:On April 16 2012 09:28 Bibbit wrote:On April 16 2012 09:25 FroggerScarletFan wrote:On April 16 2012 09:09 Scarlett` wrote:On April 16 2012 09:03 FroggerScarletFan wrote:
Hey scarlett Im guessing this happens in your leagues as well, but do you have a replay of ZvP ffe double stargate into gateway robo follow up? It seems I can't scout it soon enough and voids are so strong that with 2 stargate I can't get enough queens / spores to defend it. double stargate seems to be very rare on NA server (though I saw it a few games ZvP from his KR replay pack - it seems the correct response is to counterattack as they will have had to cut all but 2 sentries ; and if they didn't heavily cannon up they should just die you want to check gas count at natural with overlord and if they get a 3rd super quickly ;; (before 6min? or so) you need to be worried about 2stargate or quick DT ~ make a spore at nat and 3rd (maybe main map dependant) at around 7:30 if they got 3rd gas that early in terms of the robo follow up, it can be tricky but i would make a few extra queens then go into infestors (hydras really are kinda bad other than for early-midgame aggro or holding immortal all ins) On April 16 2012 07:28 FroggerScarletFan wrote:So Scarlett since your eastern timezone this announcment will be in 5 1/2 hours at 12am right ? i'm not sure; will most likely be late in the day EST ~ so maybe not until about 24 hours from now Alright thanks for the advice I've recently started laddering hard being inspired by your run at ipl4 went from gold to plat in a day and have diamond mmr now and Ive been proxy stargated once and had a double stargate with gates and robo in the back for follow up twice now, at about 10 minutes 3 voids hit and at that point I had a few waves of roaches going and hadn't dropped the spire that I like to drop yet and no infestors and as the guy below this post said I was tricked into making hydras in 2 games since the building is a quick build and my spores and queens got destroyed. Other than that I find pvz rather easy cheese builds make the win even easier and if they try to macro and hold the 3 base can almost always take them down. Sadly not being in masters yet though platinum and diamond are full of cheese Ive even experienced all in dt's where like 20 of them hit all my bases and I had no detection about a week ago I really need to improve my scouting I have overlords placed near the natural and exits almost always but I use that to know when they attack I have no idea if colossus dt or stargate tech is coming until way too late. Idk where this myth came from that cheese gets less common the higher ranked you are but I assure you its not true. I've never been in gold but I have been platinum and mid-masters (still pretty low, I know) and there was no difference there that I could see. Maybe if you get to an even higher level (like Scarlett) it settles down but I really doubt it. You'll have to learn to defend cheese ! Maybe it's because I'm a random, but I played mid-master/high diamond the last 3 seasons and I only see cheeses like 1 out of 10 games and I have probably played 300 games or more in that period. Most of them aren't even strong cheeses either. its almost impossible to cheese a random and palying against a random messes up your build order so its harder to hit your timing attack Yeah I try to tell my race most of the time, but it's kind of funny how badly their builds get when playing a random especially ZvP. Protosses are completely confused against Z when they don't FFE. Because of that though I make a point to tell protosses I'm Z after I won easily three games in a row against extremely sloppy pressure and expand builds. They probably don't believe you. Better to take the risk and have some sort of chance in PvZ with a gateway first than just dying to a Terran or Protoss because you went forge first. Anyway, this isn't really... related to Scarlett at all, so we should probably stop this line of discussion. >__>
Of course its relevant!
"~ got into master league with 7pool/6pool/3RR in 1-2weeks" - Scarlett
+ Show Spoiler +You're right obviously. ^^
Edit: She specified 7 pool and 6 pool, is there a significant difference between the two?
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Woo scarlett! When can we see him play at another tournament?! anyone know?
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On April 16 2012 10:26 Bibbit wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2012 10:10 corpuscle wrote:On April 16 2012 10:07 Chytilova wrote:On April 16 2012 09:52 Forikorder wrote:On April 16 2012 09:34 Chytilova wrote:On April 16 2012 09:28 Bibbit wrote:On April 16 2012 09:25 FroggerScarletFan wrote:On April 16 2012 09:09 Scarlett` wrote:On April 16 2012 09:03 FroggerScarletFan wrote:
Hey scarlett Im guessing this happens in your leagues as well, but do you have a replay of ZvP ffe double stargate into gateway robo follow up? It seems I can't scout it soon enough and voids are so strong that with 2 stargate I can't get enough queens / spores to defend it. double stargate seems to be very rare on NA server (though I saw it a few games ZvP from his KR replay pack - it seems the correct response is to counterattack as they will have had to cut all but 2 sentries ; and if they didn't heavily cannon up they should just die you want to check gas count at natural with overlord and if they get a 3rd super quickly ;; (before 6min? or so) you need to be worried about 2stargate or quick DT ~ make a spore at nat and 3rd (maybe main map dependant) at around 7:30 if they got 3rd gas that early in terms of the robo follow up, it can be tricky but i would make a few extra queens then go into infestors (hydras really are kinda bad other than for early-midgame aggro or holding immortal all ins) On April 16 2012 07:28 FroggerScarletFan wrote:So Scarlett since your eastern timezone this announcment will be in 5 1/2 hours at 12am right ? i'm not sure; will most likely be late in the day EST ~ so maybe not until about 24 hours from now Alright thanks for the advice I've recently started laddering hard being inspired by your run at ipl4 went from gold to plat in a day and have diamond mmr now and Ive been proxy stargated once and had a double stargate with gates and robo in the back for follow up twice now, at about 10 minutes 3 voids hit and at that point I had a few waves of roaches going and hadn't dropped the spire that I like to drop yet and no infestors and as the guy below this post said I was tricked into making hydras in 2 games since the building is a quick build and my spores and queens got destroyed. Other than that I find pvz rather easy cheese builds make the win even easier and if they try to macro and hold the 3 base can almost always take them down. Sadly not being in masters yet though platinum and diamond are full of cheese Ive even experienced all in dt's where like 20 of them hit all my bases and I had no detection about a week ago I really need to improve my scouting I have overlords placed near the natural and exits almost always but I use that to know when they attack I have no idea if colossus dt or stargate tech is coming until way too late. Idk where this myth came from that cheese gets less common the higher ranked you are but I assure you its not true. I've never been in gold but I have been platinum and mid-masters (still pretty low, I know) and there was no difference there that I could see. Maybe if you get to an even higher level (like Scarlett) it settles down but I really doubt it. You'll have to learn to defend cheese ! Maybe it's because I'm a random, but I played mid-master/high diamond the last 3 seasons and I only see cheeses like 1 out of 10 games and I have probably played 300 games or more in that period. Most of them aren't even strong cheeses either. its almost impossible to cheese a random and palying against a random messes up your build order so its harder to hit your timing attack Yeah I try to tell my race most of the time, but it's kind of funny how badly their builds get when playing a random especially ZvP. Protosses are completely confused against Z when they don't FFE. Because of that though I make a point to tell protosses I'm Z after I won easily three games in a row against extremely sloppy pressure and expand builds. They probably don't believe you. Better to take the risk and have some sort of chance in PvZ with a gateway first than just dying to a Terran or Protoss because you went forge first. Anyway, this isn't really... related to Scarlett at all, so we should probably stop this line of discussion. >__> Of course its relevant! "~ got into master league with 7pool/6pool/3RR in 1-2weeks" - Scarlett + Show Spoiler +You're right obviously. ^^ Edit: She specified 7 pool and 6 pool, is there a significant difference between the two?
7 pool provides you with a better economy and hits only very slightly later, it's slightly easier to transition out of and not really any less effective. For that reason a lot of pro players consider it to be better than 6 pool. Ask Catz about it sometime on his stream.
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On April 16 2012 10:26 Bibbit wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2012 10:10 corpuscle wrote:On April 16 2012 10:07 Chytilova wrote:On April 16 2012 09:52 Forikorder wrote:On April 16 2012 09:34 Chytilova wrote:On April 16 2012 09:28 Bibbit wrote:On April 16 2012 09:25 FroggerScarletFan wrote:On April 16 2012 09:09 Scarlett` wrote:On April 16 2012 09:03 FroggerScarletFan wrote:
Hey scarlett Im guessing this happens in your leagues as well, but do you have a replay of ZvP ffe double stargate into gateway robo follow up? It seems I can't scout it soon enough and voids are so strong that with 2 stargate I can't get enough queens / spores to defend it. double stargate seems to be very rare on NA server (though I saw it a few games ZvP from his KR replay pack - it seems the correct response is to counterattack as they will have had to cut all but 2 sentries ; and if they didn't heavily cannon up they should just die you want to check gas count at natural with overlord and if they get a 3rd super quickly ;; (before 6min? or so) you need to be worried about 2stargate or quick DT ~ make a spore at nat and 3rd (maybe main map dependant) at around 7:30 if they got 3rd gas that early in terms of the robo follow up, it can be tricky but i would make a few extra queens then go into infestors (hydras really are kinda bad other than for early-midgame aggro or holding immortal all ins) On April 16 2012 07:28 FroggerScarletFan wrote:So Scarlett since your eastern timezone this announcment will be in 5 1/2 hours at 12am right ? i'm not sure; will most likely be late in the day EST ~ so maybe not until about 24 hours from now Alright thanks for the advice I've recently started laddering hard being inspired by your run at ipl4 went from gold to plat in a day and have diamond mmr now and Ive been proxy stargated once and had a double stargate with gates and robo in the back for follow up twice now, at about 10 minutes 3 voids hit and at that point I had a few waves of roaches going and hadn't dropped the spire that I like to drop yet and no infestors and as the guy below this post said I was tricked into making hydras in 2 games since the building is a quick build and my spores and queens got destroyed. Other than that I find pvz rather easy cheese builds make the win even easier and if they try to macro and hold the 3 base can almost always take them down. Sadly not being in masters yet though platinum and diamond are full of cheese Ive even experienced all in dt's where like 20 of them hit all my bases and I had no detection about a week ago I really need to improve my scouting I have overlords placed near the natural and exits almost always but I use that to know when they attack I have no idea if colossus dt or stargate tech is coming until way too late. Idk where this myth came from that cheese gets less common the higher ranked you are but I assure you its not true. I've never been in gold but I have been platinum and mid-masters (still pretty low, I know) and there was no difference there that I could see. Maybe if you get to an even higher level (like Scarlett) it settles down but I really doubt it. You'll have to learn to defend cheese ! Maybe it's because I'm a random, but I played mid-master/high diamond the last 3 seasons and I only see cheeses like 1 out of 10 games and I have probably played 300 games or more in that period. Most of them aren't even strong cheeses either. its almost impossible to cheese a random and palying against a random messes up your build order so its harder to hit your timing attack Yeah I try to tell my race most of the time, but it's kind of funny how badly their builds get when playing a random especially ZvP. Protosses are completely confused against Z when they don't FFE. Because of that though I make a point to tell protosses I'm Z after I won easily three games in a row against extremely sloppy pressure and expand builds. They probably don't believe you. Better to take the risk and have some sort of chance in PvZ with a gateway first than just dying to a Terran or Protoss because you went forge first. Anyway, this isn't really... related to Scarlett at all, so we should probably stop this line of discussion. >__> Of course its relevant! "~ got into master league with 7pool/6pool/3RR in 1-2weeks" - Scarlett + Show Spoiler +You're right obviously. ^^ Edit: She specified 7 pool and 6 pool, is there a significant difference between the two?
I think you 7pool Protoss and Zerg, but 6pool Terran because it gives you a chance to get in before the wall's up.
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On April 16 2012 10:26 Bibbit wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2012 10:10 corpuscle wrote:On April 16 2012 10:07 Chytilova wrote:On April 16 2012 09:52 Forikorder wrote:On April 16 2012 09:34 Chytilova wrote:On April 16 2012 09:28 Bibbit wrote:On April 16 2012 09:25 FroggerScarletFan wrote:On April 16 2012 09:09 Scarlett` wrote:On April 16 2012 09:03 FroggerScarletFan wrote:
Hey scarlett Im guessing this happens in your leagues as well, but do you have a replay of ZvP ffe double stargate into gateway robo follow up? It seems I can't scout it soon enough and voids are so strong that with 2 stargate I can't get enough queens / spores to defend it. double stargate seems to be very rare on NA server (though I saw it a few games ZvP from his KR replay pack - it seems the correct response is to counterattack as they will have had to cut all but 2 sentries ; and if they didn't heavily cannon up they should just die you want to check gas count at natural with overlord and if they get a 3rd super quickly ;; (before 6min? or so) you need to be worried about 2stargate or quick DT ~ make a spore at nat and 3rd (maybe main map dependant) at around 7:30 if they got 3rd gas that early in terms of the robo follow up, it can be tricky but i would make a few extra queens then go into infestors (hydras really are kinda bad other than for early-midgame aggro or holding immortal all ins) On April 16 2012 07:28 FroggerScarletFan wrote:So Scarlett since your eastern timezone this announcment will be in 5 1/2 hours at 12am right ? i'm not sure; will most likely be late in the day EST ~ so maybe not until about 24 hours from now Alright thanks for the advice I've recently started laddering hard being inspired by your run at ipl4 went from gold to plat in a day and have diamond mmr now and Ive been proxy stargated once and had a double stargate with gates and robo in the back for follow up twice now, at about 10 minutes 3 voids hit and at that point I had a few waves of roaches going and hadn't dropped the spire that I like to drop yet and no infestors and as the guy below this post said I was tricked into making hydras in 2 games since the building is a quick build and my spores and queens got destroyed. Other than that I find pvz rather easy cheese builds make the win even easier and if they try to macro and hold the 3 base can almost always take them down. Sadly not being in masters yet though platinum and diamond are full of cheese Ive even experienced all in dt's where like 20 of them hit all my bases and I had no detection about a week ago I really need to improve my scouting I have overlords placed near the natural and exits almost always but I use that to know when they attack I have no idea if colossus dt or stargate tech is coming until way too late. Idk where this myth came from that cheese gets less common the higher ranked you are but I assure you its not true. I've never been in gold but I have been platinum and mid-masters (still pretty low, I know) and there was no difference there that I could see. Maybe if you get to an even higher level (like Scarlett) it settles down but I really doubt it. You'll have to learn to defend cheese ! Maybe it's because I'm a random, but I played mid-master/high diamond the last 3 seasons and I only see cheeses like 1 out of 10 games and I have probably played 300 games or more in that period. Most of them aren't even strong cheeses either. its almost impossible to cheese a random and palying against a random messes up your build order so its harder to hit your timing attack Yeah I try to tell my race most of the time, but it's kind of funny how badly their builds get when playing a random especially ZvP. Protosses are completely confused against Z when they don't FFE. Because of that though I make a point to tell protosses I'm Z after I won easily three games in a row against extremely sloppy pressure and expand builds. They probably don't believe you. Better to take the risk and have some sort of chance in PvZ with a gateway first than just dying to a Terran or Protoss because you went forge first. Anyway, this isn't really... related to Scarlett at all, so we should probably stop this line of discussion. >__> Of course its relevant! Edit: She specified 7 pool and 6 pool, is there a significant difference between the two?
From my experience, they get lings out at the exact same time (1:55ish) except you have an extra drone and overlord with 7 pool. I have no idea why people 6 pool barring ignorance.
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On April 16 2012 10:44 Suc wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2012 10:26 Bibbit wrote:On April 16 2012 10:10 corpuscle wrote:On April 16 2012 10:07 Chytilova wrote:On April 16 2012 09:52 Forikorder wrote:On April 16 2012 09:34 Chytilova wrote:On April 16 2012 09:28 Bibbit wrote:On April 16 2012 09:25 FroggerScarletFan wrote:On April 16 2012 09:09 Scarlett` wrote:On April 16 2012 09:03 FroggerScarletFan wrote:
Hey scarlett Im guessing this happens in your leagues as well, but do you have a replay of ZvP ffe double stargate into gateway robo follow up? It seems I can't scout it soon enough and voids are so strong that with 2 stargate I can't get enough queens / spores to defend it. double stargate seems to be very rare on NA server (though I saw it a few games ZvP from his KR replay pack - it seems the correct response is to counterattack as they will have had to cut all but 2 sentries ; and if they didn't heavily cannon up they should just die you want to check gas count at natural with overlord and if they get a 3rd super quickly ;; (before 6min? or so) you need to be worried about 2stargate or quick DT ~ make a spore at nat and 3rd (maybe main map dependant) at around 7:30 if they got 3rd gas that early in terms of the robo follow up, it can be tricky but i would make a few extra queens then go into infestors (hydras really are kinda bad other than for early-midgame aggro or holding immortal all ins) On April 16 2012 07:28 FroggerScarletFan wrote:So Scarlett since your eastern timezone this announcment will be in 5 1/2 hours at 12am right ? i'm not sure; will most likely be late in the day EST ~ so maybe not until about 24 hours from now Alright thanks for the advice I've recently started laddering hard being inspired by your run at ipl4 went from gold to plat in a day and have diamond mmr now and Ive been proxy stargated once and had a double stargate with gates and robo in the back for follow up twice now, at about 10 minutes 3 voids hit and at that point I had a few waves of roaches going and hadn't dropped the spire that I like to drop yet and no infestors and as the guy below this post said I was tricked into making hydras in 2 games since the building is a quick build and my spores and queens got destroyed. Other than that I find pvz rather easy cheese builds make the win even easier and if they try to macro and hold the 3 base can almost always take them down. Sadly not being in masters yet though platinum and diamond are full of cheese Ive even experienced all in dt's where like 20 of them hit all my bases and I had no detection about a week ago I really need to improve my scouting I have overlords placed near the natural and exits almost always but I use that to know when they attack I have no idea if colossus dt or stargate tech is coming until way too late. Idk where this myth came from that cheese gets less common the higher ranked you are but I assure you its not true. I've never been in gold but I have been platinum and mid-masters (still pretty low, I know) and there was no difference there that I could see. Maybe if you get to an even higher level (like Scarlett) it settles down but I really doubt it. You'll have to learn to defend cheese ! Maybe it's because I'm a random, but I played mid-master/high diamond the last 3 seasons and I only see cheeses like 1 out of 10 games and I have probably played 300 games or more in that period. Most of them aren't even strong cheeses either. its almost impossible to cheese a random and palying against a random messes up your build order so its harder to hit your timing attack Yeah I try to tell my race most of the time, but it's kind of funny how badly their builds get when playing a random especially ZvP. Protosses are completely confused against Z when they don't FFE. Because of that though I make a point to tell protosses I'm Z after I won easily three games in a row against extremely sloppy pressure and expand builds. They probably don't believe you. Better to take the risk and have some sort of chance in PvZ with a gateway first than just dying to a Terran or Protoss because you went forge first. Anyway, this isn't really... related to Scarlett at all, so we should probably stop this line of discussion. >__> Of course its relevant! Edit: She specified 7 pool and 6 pool, is there a significant difference between the two? From my experience, they get lings out at the exact same time (1:55ish) except you have an extra drone and overlord with 7 pool. I have no idea why people 6 pool barring ignorance.
7pool: 6 zerglings at ~2:30, 11/18 supply
6pool: 6 zerglings at ~2:15, 10/10 supply with overlord just starting
basically, 6pool gets the first few lings out 15 seconds faster, but the followup is significantly different because you're supply blocked and you can follow up a 7pool faster with more lings or drones. As I said, 6pool is better vT because your primary concern is getting lings in before the Terran sniffs it out and walls, whereas against Protoss and Zerg it's better to have the followup zerglings faster.
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