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No zerg units except infestors are good when you are behind.
The problem with the match-up is unable to punish 3ocs + 2 eng bays re-actively. We need to wait for zergs to come up with new aggressive timings, or blizzard to perharps buff and nerf zerg early and late game respectively, or a complete change of the map pool. Well, i'm pretty sure ZvT is a problem with all the zerg pro players currently, not just DRG.
The only terran who i feel can play tvz reliably no matter what changes happen in future is MKP. His 3rd OC is always slightly later than other terrans, to get more units out. His play is extremely safe for his standards, yet still can easily keep up in trading units due to his superb unit control.
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On March 30 2012 14:06 babysimba wrote:
No zerg units except infestors are good when you are behind.
The problem with the match-up is unable to punish 3ocs + 2 eng bays re-actively. We need to wait for zergs to come up with new aggressive timings, or blizzard to perharps buff and nerf zerg early and late game respectively, or a complete change of the map pool. Well, i'm pretty sure ZvT is a problem with all the zerg pro players currently, not just DRG.
The only terran who i feel can play tvz reliably no matter what changes happen in future is MKP. His 3rd OC is always slightly later than other terrans, to get more units out. His play is extremely safe for his standards, yet still can easily keep up in trading units due to his superb unit control.
It might be too early to pull the balance card. But it does seem like Zergs are at a low point in Korea since February.
It might get a lot worse before it gets better. Remember how hasn't had a GSL winner in a year? That might be where we're heading if the metagame doesn't change.
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I decided to make some fan art for one of my favourite zergs right now. My photshop skills are a little bit rusty so don't be too harsh. If you don't get it take a look at the filename.
![[image loading]](http://h9.abload.de/img/donragoutbry1a.jpg)
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is that soup?
you are giving him comfort soup?
haha
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It's never a balance issue. It's just bad game design. TvZ match-up can still very well be 50-50. But this matchup is getting increasingly reliant on build orders instead of skill. Everything just snowballs from the early game. This matchup is the best matchup because the games are supposed to have back and forth action. Some feel that the games between jjakji and leenock series have the highest skill level so far. However, MMA vs DRG blizzcup games were so much higher level in terms of mind games and build orders. That series is decided as the closest series ever in sc2 history. Is it balanced? Yes. But do we really want the top-tier TvZ games to evolve along that route? DRG understands this as well, as he is pretty much the only zerg that frequently play the mind-game card.
What i want to see is top-tier zergs players completely outshine the rest of the inferior zerg players. Right now, better players can protect their lead better, but all of them are just dying in a similar way. I do not want to see zerg matchups end up in the same way as toss matchups. Hopefully, things will change for the better in HoTS.
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When they didn't post the VODs today on time I looked at the schedule. I just glanced and it looked like DRG got last place. I closed the tab right away. I didn't believe it till I watched the games. What happened?!?! Genius is the only top 4 from last season to stay in code S.
It would be insane if DRG loses his first match of code A. I hope he has time to get back to his practice schedule. I am sure he had missed a ton of practice from going to both MLG tournaments.
I am still a huge DRG fan. Let's hope he can play amazing through code A.
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On March 30 2012 13:58 neoghaleon55 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2012 13:02 AegiS_ wrote:
why does he think ultras are good?
if he had just gone ling bane muta he probably would have won on daybreak etc. but just kept trying to go ultras when behind = never going to work, ever. I'm more surprised why he went ultralings instead of ultrabanes. Also, I don't understand the mutalisk into ultra ling infestors. That tech does not make sense. If you go spire, then just go broods. If you want ultrabanes, you need good ground upgrades and infestor support. He broke all of his own rules yesterday.
Ultra banes is ridiculously gas intensive so you will always have lings... and considering ultras need infestor support you don't have the spare gas to spend on banes... Especially since the role of the ultra is to tank damage while the lings deal all the damage... Using banes would mean you're asking ultras to do damage which isn't their job.
Keep in mind zerg has a very seamless tech pattern. Because most zergs go for double upgrades on melee and carapace, both BL and ultras benefit from these upgrades in some way. He did go double upgrades so a tech switch to ultras was fine. That map is traditionally an infestor style map because mutas can't bounce between the bases that well. In addition, since ultras come out faster, if he felt he needed quick hive tech BL would have taken way too long to get. I don't think it was the right decision by any means especially since he lost his third to be able to support such a quick hive, but saying that DRG chose poor unit compositions and tech switches is just plain wrong.
Again... Ultra bane makes no sense... You want the ultra to tank all the damage and get in the face of the army... It's good against marines with infestor support: that's it's job. Why pair it with a unit that is also good against marines but bad against any counter to the ultra (marauders, tanks, etc...)
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I just saw the games. Oh my!
In some games I didn't understand why the terran was able to hold so long, until he eventually had enough to drown DongRaeGu. For example the first big attack on Antiga looked like a guaranteed win to me.
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On March 30 2012 19:16 Lovely_US wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2012 13:58 neoghaleon55 wrote:On March 30 2012 13:02 AegiS_ wrote:
why does he think ultras are good?
if he had just gone ling bane muta he probably would have won on daybreak etc. but just kept trying to go ultras when behind = never going to work, ever. I'm more surprised why he went ultralings instead of ultrabanes. Also, I don't understand the mutalisk into ultra ling infestors. That tech does not make sense. If you go spire, then just go broods. If you want ultrabanes, you need good ground upgrades and infestor support. He broke all of his own rules yesterday. Ultra banes is ridiculously gas intensive so you will always have lings... and considering ultras need infestor support you don't have the spare gas to spend on banes... Especially since the role of the ultra is to tank damage while the lings deal all the damage... Using banes would mean you're asking ultras to do damage which isn't their job. Keep in mind zerg has a very seamless tech pattern. Because most zergs go for double upgrades on melee and carapace, both BL and ultras benefit from these upgrades in some way. He did go double upgrades so a tech switch to ultras was fine. That map is traditionally an infestor style map because mutas can't bounce between the bases that well. In addition, since ultras come out faster, if he felt he needed quick hive tech BL would have taken way too long to get. I don't think it was the right decision by any means especially since he lost his third to be able to support such a quick hive, but saying that DRG chose poor unit compositions and tech switches is just plain wrong. Again... Ultra bane makes no sense... You want the ultra to tank all the damage and get in the face of the army... It's good against marines with infestor support: that's it's job. Why pair it with a unit that is also good against marines but bad against any counter to the ultra (marauders, tanks, etc...)
No, man.
Ultrabanes is the only correct way to use ultra against marinetank.
Dongraegu have done this in the past, with great success.
You can read up more on ultrabanes here:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=187434
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I really think that all this means is that we'll haven a perfect Code A run in our future.
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This guy is legit. To bad he got beaten in the first round already.
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Im so sorry to make you guys disappointing about me
I dont want to excuse
Just doing more practice and go back to my stage
Thx for so greatful supporting
ps.) I felt better see after drawings  Thx a lot!!
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On March 31 2012 10:15 DRGpros wrote:Im so sorry to make you guys disappointing about me I dont want to excuse Just doing more practice and go back to my stage Thx for so greatful supporting ps.) I felt better see after drawings Thx a lot!!
AHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!
It's DRG!!!
You're welcome!
We love you!
YOU BETTER COME TO MLG ANAHEIM!!!
or else I'll have to hunt you down and give you the damn drawings!
haha
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On March 31 2012 10:15 DRGpros wrote:Im so sorry to make you guys disappointing about me I dont want to excuse Just doing more practice and go back to my stage Thx for so greatful supporting ps.) I felt better see after drawings Thx a lot!!
DRG FIGHTING!!!!!!!!
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On March 31 2012 10:15 DRGpros wrote:Im so sorry to make you guys disappointing about me I dont want to excuse Just doing more practice and go back to my stage Thx for so greatful supporting ps.) I felt better see after drawings Thx a lot!!
FOR DRG. FIGHTING!!!!!!
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On March 31 2012 10:15 DRGpros wrote:Im so sorry to make you guys disappointing about me I dont want to excuse Just doing more practice and go back to my stage Thx for so greatful supporting ps.) I felt better see after drawings Thx a lot!!
DRG fighting!
get well soon
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DRG!!
You keep fighting, I'll keep cheering, ok!
T_T
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At least I can look at the namesake for DRG. I wonder what it was like to grow up there. Hmm just thinking about how he might not get the reference, I feel so old D: Anyway, continuing on that theme he is early in the career, still plenty to do. Probably would be a more epic story arc to break back in. DRG fighting!
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On March 31 2012 10:15 DRGpros wrote:Im so sorry to make you guys disappointing about me I dont want to excuse Just doing more practice and go back to my stage Thx for so greatful supporting ps.) I felt better see after drawings Thx a lot!!
DRG is the best~
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