EPTOn a side note, I think Zerg has adapted way too much the Life's way of dealing with the 4M.
T will open bio mine and should transition into marine tank, i guess for standard play.
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Kweyzi
France18 Posts
On a side note, I think Zerg has adapted way too much the Life's way of dealing with the 4M. T will open bio mine and should transition into marine tank, i guess for standard play. | ||
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adiga
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Those problems could fixed with a strict and with a good coach. I don't think any coach would let his player to play without scouting for example and that will be the first thing they would work on. STK will be a perfect team for him because 1. he could blend in and be friend with rest of the team easily because he is already a good friend with Parting. 2. Boxer will be a good coach for him. Boxer already proved he can turn fine terrans to champions and to smart players with a good knowledge of the game. 3. It will be a dream come true for him. He was a huge fan of BW and that will be a boost to his motivation to become a better player and to work hard with the practice style of the kespa teams. That's my 50 cent about, to sum it up I really hope that will happen for the greater good for the players. I really feel that Prime holds the players back because of the many reason that was already written here. | ||
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TeeTS
Germany2762 Posts
On April 11 2013 11:14 Dodgin wrote: If the team is being ran off of MKP and Creator's winnings that's completely unfair to them and the team should just disband. They earned that money and it should be theirs to spend or save, not used to save their team. If they are ok with supporting their team which only consists of their friends, then it's totally fine. Not everyone values money over anything other! And to the SKT rumors: At least I got the impression over the last year, that Boxer is more a joke of a coach. I would rather like to see Marineking go to ST or IM than to SKT. | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
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TeeTS
Germany2762 Posts
I find it very irritating, that several people want their favorite team to split up without any real information around. We have rumors and speculation, but that's not a base to make such drastic assumtions. | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
I get that you're a big fan of prime as a team but It's better for the players if the team splits up, I think most everyone here can agree with that. I agree with you that it was fine for a while, but that while has passed. | ||
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Gr0dka
Switzerland2 Posts
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TeeTS
Germany2762 Posts
On April 11 2013 19:45 Dodgin wrote: It's completely reasonable for mkp/creator/byun/maru fans to want the best for their players and the best for their players is to join a real team with proper infrastructure and coaching. also Creator needs a protoss buddy badly. I get that you're a big fan of prime as a team but It's better for the players if the team splits up, I think most everyone here can agree with that. I agree with you that it was fine for a while, but that while has passed. Of course you can assume that it could be better for them to go to a Kespa team. But you all should consider that the Kespa Team's practice methods don't work that well for everyone. Marineking was several years on a Kespea team without ANY glimpse of success. I guess the same goes for Byun. Who knows how Creator and Maru will get along with that? MMA stated once in an interview that he would never go back to a Kespa team - I can imagine this to be fitting for many other players. While Kespa's system brings out some extremely good players in the end, it also burns up a lot of talent for that. It's kind of a brute force method of bringing out stars. But to assume that this is the right way for everyone to succeed is just plain wrong! | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
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TeeTS
Germany2762 Posts
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WhiteSatin
United States308 Posts
On April 11 2013 15:03 adiga wrote: I follow and a fan of MKP since GSL open season 2 and I have said a year ago in this fan club that he should change team if he wants to be a champion. Sadly I was right and MKP pretty much preformed badly since than. The reason that I fought that he should do it is seeing him make same mistakes over and over again, bad decision making and relaying on bad builds. Those problems could fixed with a strict and with a good coach. I don't think any coach would let his player to play without scouting for example and that will be the first thing they would work on. STK will be a perfect team for him because 1. he could blend in and be friend with rest of the team easily because he is already a good friend with Parting. 2. Boxer will be a good coach for him. Boxer already proved he can turn fine terrans to champions and to smart players with a good knowledge of the game. 3. It will be a dream come true for him. He was a huge fan of BW and that will be a boost to his motivation to become a better player and to work hard with the practice style of the kespa teams. That's my 50 cent about, to sum it up I really hope that will happen for the greater good for the players. I really feel that Prime holds the players back because of the many reason that was already written here. I agree with you man. I have been fan of MKP since day 1 I've seen him do that crazy nuke strategy in the ro64 of the open season 2. I've watched every single game of MKP every played in GSL and MLG, I love his play style, his insane micro and his ability to multi task. It's just insane looking how he's macroing and microing at the same time or how smart he is when it comes down to handling crazy shit... but then he does ALWAYS the same mistake. It's actually fucking lame being an MKP fan at this point, I love him and I love his playstyle but I can't believe someone didn't already fix his issues. The funny thing is that during the ladder he rapes everyone for a series of reasons (i.e. he's more relaxed, he does more crazy-cheesy stuff that is very good at that throw people off guard, while in GSL matches he plays almost always very greedy with very few cheeses mixed in in this later part of his career) which do not apply during a standard match. And so because he has a very high win rate in practice and/or on ladder he thinks he can do the same on an actual match. I am a huge fan-boy of Prime too and the coach seems like the most nice guy ever but I highly doubt he's doing his job right. At this point I think in almost any Kespa team they'd have MKP train a bit better. SKT1 would actually be amazing for him, not only because he'd be trained by Boxer the person whom he was inspired from, but also his overall partners and training regime would be very good. I am sure Boxer or someone from SKT would FORCE HIM to scout, would FORCE HIM to do stuff that every other terran does like put a fucken bunker at the 3rd base, scan more before moving out, etc.etc. and all the things that literally make the difference between being a fucking champion like he could be, and someone who struggle to beat other opponents because they always take advantage of his weak points. I love Prime and I wish they'd be united but I see no solution, at least for MKP - unless he leaves Prime and goes into a team that actually knows how to use his huge potential. I will be very sad if Creator, Maru, Byun and MKP are all separated as they're absolutely awesome and I wish they could stay all together but for the greater good of all of them - in order to perform better in the individual league - they have to go to different teams. Please Boxer save MKP. I am almost tired of being MKP fan, and I swear - just like many people in his fanclub - I absolutely adore him. It breaks my nerdy heart to see him loose.. but I can't take it anymore, I can't forgive his mistakes no longer. It's like that hot girlfriend that you love so much and are attracted to, and then keeps fucking it up and cheating on you at random parties apologizing the day later sayin it won't happen again, just to do it over and over and over again. And she says she won't be slutty no more but it's never gonna happen. How many times can you justify it just cause she's hot and you like her? | ||
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TeeTS
Germany2762 Posts
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
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noeljones
Australia119 Posts
On April 11 2013 20:16 WhiteSatin wrote: It's like that hot girlfriend that you love so much and are attracted to, and then keeps fucking it up and cheating on you at random parties apologizing the day later sayin it won't happen again, just to do it over and over and over again. And she says she won't be slutty no more but it's never gonna happen. How many times can you justify it just cause she's hot and you like her? This is so true, mkp always break my heart as well  . But yea, he's so hot that you can't really ever let him go | ||
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adiga
495 Posts
On April 11 2013 19:57 TeeTS wrote: Of course you can assume that it could be better for them to go to a Kespa team. But you all should consider that the Kespa Team's practice methods don't work that well for everyone. Marineking was several years on a Kespea team without ANY glimpse of success. I guess the same goes for Byun. Who knows how Creator and Maru will get along with that? MMA stated once in an interview that he would never go back to a Kespa team - I can imagine this to be fitting for many other players. While Kespa's system brings out some extremely good players in the end, it also burns up a lot of talent for that. It's kind of a brute force method of bringing out stars. But to assume that this is the right way for everyone to succeed is just plain wrong! First of all this the MKP fan club and not the Prime fan club. MKP was a B teamer, he was in a Kespa team for ONE year and look where that got him: Dominating nerds at the start of the GSL left and right, reinventing the game etc. If MMA doesn't want to go back to a Kespa team than that's his decision. How is that even relevant about MKP? MKP in a team with a bad coach will be that same MKP we see today, level declining, not fixing some fundamental errors like scout/walling etc. To is right to assume that a player from the caliber of MKP won't be a practice partner for another player. He will probably be the main Terran in that team, and he will have a whole team to help prepare for games(right now he is the worst player in KR at that), a coach who will point out and insist to work on it etc... Now tell how that won't make him a better player? | ||
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TeeTS
Germany2762 Posts
On April 11 2013 21:15 adiga wrote: First of all this the MKP fan club and not the Prime fan club. MKP was a B teamer, he was in a Kespa team for ONE year and look where that got him: Dominating nerds at the start of the GSL left and right, reinventing the game etc. If MMA doesn't want to go back to a Kespa team than that's his decision. How is that even relevant about MKP? MKP in a team with a bad coach will be that same MKP we see today, level declining, not fixing some fundamental errors like scout/walling etc. To is right to assume that a player from the caliber of MKP won't be a practice partner for another player. He will probably be the main Terran in that team, and he will have a whole team to help prepare for games(right now he is the worst player in KR at that), a coach who will point out and insist to work on it etc... Now tell how that won't make him a better player? Because Kespa's practice regiment is strict and works a lot with pressure. And that can break a player who does not get along with it well. And with the performance he showed yesterday, he will not be the main terran in any Kespa team. It's pretty illusional to believe he will join a Kespa team, then get a big salary there and a whole team and coaching staff that only works to make HIM better. edit: And him doing well at the start of WoL was not him being on a Kespa Team, but him training SC2 at home and later him being on Prime. | ||
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pidj
France47 Posts
On April 11 2013 21:20 TeeTS wrote: Because Kespa's practice regiment is strict and works a lot with pressure. And that can break a player who does not get along with it well. And with the performance he showed yesterday, he will not be the main terran in any Kespa team. It's pretty illusional to believe he will join a Kespa team, then get a big salary there and a whole team and coaching staff that only works to make HIM better. edit: And him doing well at the start of WoL was not him being on a Kespa Team, but him training SC2 at home and later him being on Prime. Marineking handle realy well the begining of WoL but he's rising is during the mlg gstl ipl don't forget it and it's about a year now. Moreover he stayed for a year on Code S and get real good round. But most of all with this MISSTAKES he's able to crush some greate players ! he's one of the best PvT actualy and his TvZ is greate i'm pretty sure, 3 games with one cheese failed is not relevant to say that his TvZ is bad. Vs fliying he did realy smart decision he didn't play greedy at all and his bo was correct. the major issue is that flying went 3 times DTs and the third one chose mkp his GSL. I'm pretty sure he lost to curious because he lost to a protoss. I'm pretty sure he can get a kespa team with a greate salary like parting or better cause parting had his success with one build in contrary of mkp. | ||
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
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Elison
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He still has weaknesses though. Some minor, like not bunkering the third and choosing weird builds, and some major like decisionmaking, map awareness and drop/harass/counterattack defense. Maybe he can improve these things in a different team environment, maybe not. But at the very least it seems unlikely to happen on Prime, or it would have already I feel. However let's not be hasty and judge too soon. I'll wait until after some GSTL matches at least. | ||
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