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Calgary26003 Posts
On November 09 2010 14:41 iCanada wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2010 14:36 Chill wrote:On November 09 2010 14:33 Phobic wrote:
Happy hes back but I still would like an answer. An answer to what? Why it's against policy to ask for donations? I think you should be able to infer why we don't want people doing that often on streams. He wants to know why it isn't okay to ask for donations excessively, yet it is perfectly fine for people to advertise various things to the nth degree which effectively lowers stream quality just as much if not more.
It's not okay to do that either. Give me an example.
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On November 09 2010 14:41 iCanada wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2010 14:36 Chill wrote:On November 09 2010 14:33 Phobic wrote:
Happy hes back but I still would like an answer. An answer to what? Why it's against policy to ask for donations? I think you should be able to infer why we don't want people doing that often on streams. He wants to know why it isn't okay to ask for donations excessively, yet it is perfectly fine for people to advertise various things to the nth degree which effectively lowers stream quality just as much if not more.
I would have to imagine (can't speak for TL here) is because these sponsors that receive this help Esports and SCII as a whole. Without them we would not have hundreds of thousands of dollars in prizes going into a game (going back to BW here) that only had really $2,000 a year into it before.
Cella is AWESOME (I'm a HUGE Cella fan), but to compare a pro gamer streaming ladder matches and what not with allowing advertisements on high level competitions that often contain a collection of some of the highest level of competition across the globe playing in tournaments with sometimes thousands of dollars on the line is absurd.
That would be how I would see it but I could be completely off base.
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On November 09 2010 14:46 Chill wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2010 14:41 iCanada wrote:On November 09 2010 14:36 Chill wrote:On November 09 2010 14:33 Phobic wrote:
Happy hes back but I still would like an answer. An answer to what? Why it's against policy to ask for donations? I think you should be able to infer why we don't want people doing that often on streams. He wants to know why it isn't okay to ask for donations excessively, yet it is perfectly fine for people to advertise various things to the nth degree which effectively lowers stream quality just as much if not more. It's not okay to do that either. Give me an example.
I think he's talking about the ads on the streams.
Just a wild guess here
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On November 09 2010 14:48 JJaJangMyun wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2010 14:46 Chill wrote:On November 09 2010 14:41 iCanada wrote:On November 09 2010 14:36 Chill wrote:On November 09 2010 14:33 Phobic wrote:
Happy hes back but I still would like an answer. An answer to what? Why it's against policy to ask for donations? I think you should be able to infer why we don't want people doing that often on streams. He wants to know why it isn't okay to ask for donations excessively, yet it is perfectly fine for people to advertise various things to the nth degree which effectively lowers stream quality just as much if not more. It's not okay to do that either. Give me an example. I think he's talking about the ads on the streams. Just a wild guess here
I assume he doesn't mean the website provided ads (ustream/livestream) but rather text or banners added by the streamer to display donations/lesson fees.
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On November 09 2010 14:46 Chill wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2010 14:41 iCanada wrote:On November 09 2010 14:36 Chill wrote:On November 09 2010 14:33 Phobic wrote:
Happy hes back but I still would like an answer. An answer to what? Why it's against policy to ask for donations? I think you should be able to infer why we don't want people doing that often on streams. He wants to know why it isn't okay to ask for donations excessively, yet it is perfectly fine for people to advertise various things to the nth degree which effectively lowers stream quality just as much if not more. It's not okay to do that either. Give me an example.
Don't have one, it is his question.
/shrug
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On November 09 2010 14:49 XdtA wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2010 14:48 JJaJangMyun wrote:On November 09 2010 14:46 Chill wrote:On November 09 2010 14:41 iCanada wrote:On November 09 2010 14:36 Chill wrote:On November 09 2010 14:33 Phobic wrote:
Happy hes back but I still would like an answer. An answer to what? Why it's against policy to ask for donations? I think you should be able to infer why we don't want people doing that often on streams. He wants to know why it isn't okay to ask for donations excessively, yet it is perfectly fine for people to advertise various things to the nth degree which effectively lowers stream quality just as much if not more. It's not okay to do that either. Give me an example. I think he's talking about the ads on the streams. Just a wild guess here I assume he doesn't mean the website provided ads (ustream/livestream) but rather text or banners added by the streamer to display donations/lesson fees.
(I think) Display for donations is not excessively asking for money and lesson fees actually gives something in return for the money.
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On November 09 2010 14:53 JJaJangMyun wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2010 14:49 XdtA wrote:On November 09 2010 14:48 JJaJangMyun wrote:On November 09 2010 14:46 Chill wrote:On November 09 2010 14:41 iCanada wrote:On November 09 2010 14:36 Chill wrote:On November 09 2010 14:33 Phobic wrote:
Happy hes back but I still would like an answer. An answer to what? Why it's against policy to ask for donations? I think you should be able to infer why we don't want people doing that often on streams. He wants to know why it isn't okay to ask for donations excessively, yet it is perfectly fine for people to advertise various things to the nth degree which effectively lowers stream quality just as much if not more. It's not okay to do that either. Give me an example. I think he's talking about the ads on the streams. Just a wild guess here I assume he doesn't mean the website provided ads (ustream/livestream) but rather text or banners added by the streamer to display donations/lesson fees. (I think) Display for donations is not excessively asking for money and lesson fees actually gives something in return for the money.
People seriously do overlays for donation's?? I think that's a bit much in my opinion. Overlay's are annoying enough as it is (I know we use them, they annoy me too, they are a necessary evil however) but covering screen space for donations sort of sucks. I didn't know anyone actually did that however.
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This whole situation proves that TL mods aren't the oppressive, baby-killing dictators a lot of people think they are.
Thank you, everyone here and Cella appreciates your understanding.
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Hello Cella! Why do you not stream/play in fullscreen?
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Oh that was hilarious Cella;
"why didn't he GG? I'm going to beatbox now" *beatboxing noises* hahahaha you're awesome.
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His karaoke and 13&20 gate make me a fan.
Cella fighting!
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On November 09 2010 14:09 IHaveCrayons wrote:
Also I remember Trump accepting 1 dollar through Paypal for some guy to observe his games.
Not only that, when he was still "playing" SC2 and not playing WoW beta, 50% of his streaming was the paid lessons he was giving.
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Happy he's back featured... glad it all worked out...
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best line ever in one of his last games.
"mom says you have to go to the hospital"
"Black Hole Hospital"
(vortex)
opponent leaves the game
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Cella is the man. Favorite stream by far.
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I was pretty upset that Cella got unfeatured, so I collected my thoughts while I was out on why Cella's such a great streamer.
Skill level: 4.75 / 5
I love goatrope to death, but there's only so much I can watch him attack move without flanking into a group of tanks, not focus fire the tanks, and lose everything.
When you can watch a streamer and learn from him, due to his understanding of timings, micro, macro, well, remember we're watching a high level korean vs some high diamond player who does his build order, turtles mostly, does a planned timing attack, then wins/loses.
I remember watching Cella play a terran in Korea, and he rolled the terran right as he tried to expand at the perfect time. Cella explained that terran is very weak for a very short period of time - something a lot of zerg players don't try to exploit as they try to macro up on their 2 base after the initial terran pressure is fended off.
Didn't get 5/5 because he lost to trump and kawaiirice.
Entertainment value 4.5/5
The trap cards, the singing, the stupid strategies on north america. The videos of him eating food, when he says if people donate enough money he can fly over and hunt down an American player who beat him. Compare that to other (featured) streams where the streamer barely talks, or worse yet, plays mind-numbingly bad asian pop all the time. Why is it half the time when I see kawaiirice he's playing Osu with some asian pop song? Why would I want to watch that?
I can't think of many high level streamer who talks that much, not Artosis, not Sen, not BW ret. Some will respond to comments after the match, but Cella is a true show host.
Consistency 5/5
It's great when Sen streams, but I estimate I see it about once a month. Trump used to be more consistent, but I haven't seen him in awhile. Goatrope was pretty consistent, but is becoming less so. Most of the other streamers are seen maybe once a week or less.
Coolness 5/5
Mostly because he's a competitive Korean gamer, so he knows people, he decides to practice with some big name player every now and then.
Cella had Intotherainbow guest star drunk on his cast. Can your beer do that?
Some casts are a group of friends, some of whom aren't very funny. Cella does it alone, which is understatedly difficult considering how much he streams.
The chat's also reasonably better, considering how many people watch it. Some are unreasonably spammy, and some have mods that just ban you because they don't like people who disagree with them.
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All in all, no other streamer comes close to that combination.
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yeah i don't think any reasonable protoss will walk to their opponents base anymore.
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On November 09 2010 17:46 igotmyown wrote:+ Show Spoiler [Long rating post] +
I was pretty upset that Cella got unfeatured, so I collected my thoughts while I was out on why Cella's such a great streamer.
Skill level: 4.75 / 5
I love goatrope to death, but there's only so much I can watch him attack move without flanking into a group of tanks, not focus fire the tanks, and lose everything.
When you can watch a streamer and learn from him, due to his understanding of timings, micro, macro, well, remember we're watching a high level korean vs some high diamond player who does his build order, turtles mostly, does a planned timing attack, then wins/loses.
I remember watching Cella play a terran in Korea, and he rolled the terran right as he tried to expand at the perfect time. Cella explained that terran is very weak for a very short period of time - something a lot of zerg players don't try to exploit as they try to macro up on their 2 base after the initial terran pressure is fended off.
Didn't get 5/5 because he lost to trump and kawaiirice.
Entertainment value 4.5/5
The trap cards, the singing, the stupid strategies on north america. The videos of him eating food, when he says if people donate enough money he can fly over and hunt down an American player who beat him. Compare that to other (featured) streams where the streamer barely talks, or worse yet, plays mind-numbingly bad asian pop all the time. Why is it half the time when I see kawaiirice he's playing Osu with some asian pop song? Why would I want to watch that?
I can't think of many high level streamer who talks that much, not Artosis, not Sen, not BW ret. Some will respond to comments after the match, but Cella is a true show host.
Consistency 5/5
It's great when Sen streams, but I estimate I see it about once a month. Trump used to be more consistent, but I haven't seen him in awhile. Goatrope was pretty consistent, but is becoming less so. Most of the other streamers are seen maybe once a week or less.
Coolness 5/5
Mostly because he's a competitive Korean gamer, so he knows people, he decides to practice with some big name player every now and then.
Cella had Intotherainbow guest star drunk on his cast. Can your beer do that?
Some casts are a group of friends, some of whom aren't very funny. Cella does it alone, which is understatedly difficult considering how much he streams.
The chat's also reasonably better, considering how many people watch it. Some are unreasonably spammy, and some have mods that just ban you because they don't like people who disagree with them.
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All in all, no other streamer comes close to that combination.
How I see his stream:
Skill level:
2/5. Cella is a good player but so often he streams games where he is playing against very low level opponents.
Entertainment value:
3.5/5 - When he is playing against good opponents I find it entertaining. When he is worker rushing people, playing really laggy games, playing bad opponents or eating dinner I can't really find the stream entertaining. He does it way too often.
Consistency:
5/5 - Can't really disagree here, he streams a lot. However, quantity doesn't really relate to quality.
Coolness:
3.5/5 Yeah, he knows a lot of high level players. The chat is better? Pretty much all stream chats are awful. This one might be better than others but I still don't think it is very good.
Stream Quality:
2/5 - It was probably an honest mistake to forget mentioning this rating category. I'll let it slide. The video quality on Cella's stream is awful. You can't really argue that. Yeah, sometimes it is better than others. Like I said though, better doesn't mean good.
Overall: 3.2/5
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Tx for your stream Cella.
Watching it from South Africa its win !
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