EPTA tad hypocritical looking at your past posts, he isn't even trolling.
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enliveee
United Kingdom52 Posts
A tad hypocritical looking at your past posts, he isn't even trolling. | ||
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Lochat
United States270 Posts
On May 04 2011 17:27 Tyrant0 wrote: Are you retarded? This is what IdrA was debating on sotg: the option to not over commit to building units for defense, and for spine crawlers to finish on time upon detecting a rush in conjunction with a lack of scouting for said rush. I don't need to watch him doing uncharacteristic all-ins to know its what he was arguing for in the realm of balance, douche. aside from your bold assumption that i didn't watch any of his recent games Troll-tastic. | ||
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rd
United States2586 Posts
On May 04 2011 18:02 Frozenserpent wrote: You seem to have trouble reading the post you're quoting. He's commenting on your statement about "no one else plays into his make 3 spinecrawlers and 0 attacking units until 3 bases are fully saturated". He is calling you retarded and asking when was the last Idra game you watched because Idra doesn't play that way. You made a comment on Idra's play style. Idra does not play like that, as is obvious if you've watched a recent Idra game. It has nothing to do with his debate on SotG. Huh? No clearly, the three spinecrawlers into fully saturated third was meant to be read verbatim, and was not infact, a strawman of his basic argument on sotg. Anyone who takes it for what it was is an idiot. Idra made the point, several times, that one of the problems with zerg, is that spine crawlers take too long to build and don't finish in time for rushes, and that zerg falls behind economically if they over make units for a rush that end up being useless later. If he didn't say any of these things, my god prove me wrong. If Idra wants spine crawlers to finish in time when scouting a rush in a debate of balance, an alternative to over making units that could prove detriment to a zerg economy, then he obviously doesn't want to be efficient and only create spine crawlers in time for a rush for slight economic edges.[/sarcasm] You are indeed brave to go into this thread and even belittle IdrA in any aspect, people get really upset when anyone points out a flaw with IdrAs attitude/gameplay(Though the latter is quite rare ) I'm a huge Idra fan, but it's ridiculous to suggest in the debate between Idra and Day9 that Idra was somehow correct in such narrow-minded logic. I'm with the camp that Idra would play much better if he just accepted the mindset Day9 offered, which is to simply ignore balance be it correct or incorrect and pursue greater gameplay. | ||
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shaNk
Canada124 Posts
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Hypemeup
Sweden2783 Posts
I'm a huge Idra fan, but it's ridiculous to suggest in the debate between Idra and Day9 that Idra was somehow correct in such narrow-minded logic. I'm with the camp that Idra would play much better if he just accepted the mindset Day9 offered, which is to simply ignore balance be it correct or incorrect and pursue greater gameplay. I would not disagree with you, but attempting to point that out in the IdrA fanclub is also kind of narrow-minded. Most people here are as stubborn as WBC and wont listen to reason. | ||
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Lochat
United States270 Posts
On May 04 2011 18:58 Tyrant0 wrote: I'm a huge Idra fan, but it's ridiculous to suggest in the debate between Idra and Day9 that Idra was somehow correct in such narrow-minded logic. There is no such thing as "narrow-minded logic" something is either logically valid or it is not. The fact you even make such a statement means you shouldn't be commenting on debates. | ||
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starfish
United States102 Posts
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fahid
Portugal46 Posts
Instead of arguing play the actual game it might be more productive, also u might come to a conclusion that both day 9 and idra have more experience on the matter to argue between themselves then this posts u guys are doing about attacking each others views. Typical thing to do nowadays, a person has an opinion he gets judged to death by ppl that dont even have an opinion fully formed on the subject. meh lets all just enjoy idra giving his commentary when he streams for the week it'll be nice to learn stuff. | ||
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Walegon
Australia16 Posts
On May 04 2011 18:48 enliveee wrote: A tad hypocritical looking at your past posts, he isn't even trolling. I never troll. He's trolling - he should gtfo | ||
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Goliathsorrow
Italy317 Posts
On May 04 2011 14:40 Mithrandir wrote: Thank God Idra is casting. Somebody who finally understands the game. Maybe one day casters like Husky and HD will go extinct when people realize they know absolutely nothing about the game. As an IdrA fan myself I understand your hatred against those two mainstream casters (they did get a lot of e-fame by bashing him constantly with their commentaries) but I actually had to change idea about Husky which, in this TSL, shown MUCH more game knowlegde. HD on the other hand really did a bad job at the IPL, especially the finals where he kept bashing on IdrA for absolutely no reason and not understanding very much of the games themselfs. | ||
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enliveee
United Kingdom52 Posts
You never troll but 2 out of the 2 threads you made are complete garbage that got you a temp ban? Okay. | ||
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chickensmasher
Canada57 Posts
I'm a huge Idra fan, but it's ridiculous to suggest in the debate between Idra and Day9 that Idra was somehow correct in such narrow-minded logic. I'm with the camp that Idra would play much better if he just accepted the mindset Day9 offered, which is to simply ignore balance be it correct or incorrect and pursue greater gameplay. You're an idiot if you honestly think IdrA doesn't use all his practice time "pursuing greater gameplay", he's made it pretty clear he doesn't need to practice his mechanics. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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xtfftc
United Kingdom2343 Posts
On May 04 2011 13:58 Jotoco wrote: ME too. Stop watching dailies months ago. Only watch Funday Monday, because Day9 is still FUN, but his knowledge of the game is restricted to BETA metagame and stuff. He even says himself, and every time JP asks him about games and tournaments, he never sees then... He doesn't PLAY starcraft anymore (almost) and he doesn't watch much, so....... Okay, first - I'm not sure whether the level of the dailies is lower intentionally or because during the last year he never had the time to play enough but even though Day9 is not at the very top in terms of SC2 theoretical knowledge at the moment, he is not that far behind either. He can see imbalance and I am sure he understands the need for some things to be changed. However, there are too important issues. As we all know, Day9 has the power to change the metagame. This, combined with the fact that he is not at the very top in terms of knowledge, means that he should stray out of making imbalance statements. Discussing imbalance publicly is only useful as long as it is part of a dialogue but way too many people will accept his words without questioning them, which is precisely the opposite of what Day9 himself wants. Still, I don't think that Day9 understands Idra - he seems to think that Idra does this to vent off because this is the way Day9 himself vents off, so he dealt with it the way he thinks is best, e.g. letting him finish with his rant. Instead, Idra was getting enraged because he thinks there is a need for a meaningful public discussion but was being dismissed without any relevant arguments. Both are right, in a way. Also, <3 Tyler. On May 04 2011 17:12 Tyrant0 wrote: It's exactly this sort of narrow line of thinking that cements the fact that Idra won't be the zerg to shift the meta game any time soon, when no one else plays into his make 3 spinecrawlers and 0 attacking units until 3 bases are fully saturated. I hope Idra breaks out in an argument on sotg again though; Not because it provides any relevant insight into balance, but it's definitely entertaining. Most people don't seem to understand the fact that in the current State of the Game Zerg players are presented with the opportunity to win because of fundamental mistakes made by their opponents or because it comes down to a coin toss, so it is relevant. And it's not only Zerg players that suffer from the coin-tossing situation - Protoss and Terran players get frustrated by it as well. I think that it is pointless to a certain extent though.. Sure, the current situation is horrible for the game but any bold change is likely to lead to even more imbalance - and while coin-tossing is terrible, Zerg players are not that far behind if they agree to rely on luck as well, so for most spectators tournaments and leagues are still entertaining. The only way I can see it being fixed is if major tournaments are halted for a month and all pro-gamers start working with Blizzard to address the issues - which isn't going to happen - and then, six to twelve months later when HotS is released, the game gets broken again. I lot of the SC:BW players did not pay attention to what happened with WC3 but it only got remotely balanced a year after the expansion was released, and the expansion itself changed it in fundamental ways (e.g. new armour types, new damage types, etc.). SC2 is developing faster but it still requires time. On May 04 2011 18:58 Tyrant0 wrote: I'm a huge Idra fan, but it's ridiculous to suggest in the debate between Idra and Day9 that Idra was somehow correct in such narrow-minded logic. I'm with the camp that Idra would play much better if he just accepted the mindset Day9 offered, which is to simply ignore balance be it correct or incorrect and pursue greater gameplay. I don't understand why do people think that Idra doesn't work on improving his gameplay in the current situation only because he is talking about the changes that have to be made. Just look at his style - he is constantly improving it and trying out new things. On May 04 2011 19:59 Goliathsorrow wrote: As an IdrA fan myself I understand your hatred against those two mainstream casters (they did get a lot of e-fame by bashing him constantly with their commentaries) but I actually had to change idea about Husky which, in this TSL, shown MUCH more game knowlegde. HD on the other hand really did a bad job at the IPL, especially the finals where he kept bashing on IdrA for absolutely no reason and not understanding very much of the games themselfs. Uh... I'm not going to comment on Husky's "improvement" but I never heard HD say anything bad about Idra. If anything, he sounded like he was praising him a bit too much because he knew people would go after him if he messes it up. And honestly, his commentary was miles ahead since the last time I heard anything from him (which was the first MLG). On May 04 2011 17:17 SilverJohnny wrote: This thread needs more pictures of IdrA and his cat. You can see he's got a really goofy happy grin in some of them. This thread needs a section in the OP for Hobbes, so I'm working on it. :D On May 04 2011 14:24 Whole wrote: Can you download VODs? If you can, I'll download this vod so much. You should be able to do it with any plug-in for downloading YouTube videos. P.S. I need a mod to volunteer and spare me five minutes of their time... Otherwise, I would have to pick one by myself. :D | ||
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
On May 04 2011 18:58 Tyrant0 wrote: Huh? No clearly, the three spinecrawlers into fully saturated third was meant to be read verbatim, and was not infact, a strawman of his basic argument on sotg. Anyone who takes it for what it was is an idiot. Idra made the point, several times, that one of the problems with zerg, is that spine crawlers take too long to build and don't finish in time for rushes, and that zerg falls behind economically if they over make units for a rush that end up being useless later. If he didn't say any of these things, my god prove me wrong. If Idra wants spine crawlers to finish in time when scouting a rush in a debate of balance, an alternative to over making units that could prove detriment to a zerg economy, then he obviously doesn't want to be efficient and only create spine crawlers in time for a rush for slight economic edges.[/sarcasm] I'm a huge Idra fan, but it's ridiculous to suggest in the debate between Idra and Day9 that Idra was somehow correct in such narrow-minded logic. I'm with the camp that Idra would play much better if he just accepted the mindset Day9 offered, which is to simply ignore balance be it correct or incorrect and pursue greater gameplay. No you don't understand shit, you should stop trolling. IdrA does not want to fully saturate 3 base, he wants to be able to have the choice between all in / cheesy build and safe maccro builds. At the moment, you have to build massive amount of units and to outmuscle your opponent to defend yourself, so the best way to play is still to play agressive / cheesy builds and forget about taking huge maccro leads / tech up. I would have to remember you that protoss basically expand and put down towers, thus theorically being safe against any kind of attack with their sentries and allowing them to tech to stargate or colossi. | ||
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zJayy962
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57 Corvette
Canada5941 Posts
Damnit man, spoiler that shit | ||
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Lohpraks
United States5 Posts
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xtfftc
United Kingdom2343 Posts
It was aired three days ago.. If we try not to spoiler anything ever, than we should put absolutely every post in spoiler tags. With so much content being put out all the time, I think that it is common sense to expect people to avoid players' fanclubs after the games have been aired if they are concerned about spoilers. | ||
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Tschis
Brazil1511 Posts
On May 04 2011 22:40 xtfftc wrote: P.S. I need a mod to volunteer and spare me five minutes of their time... Otherwise, I would have to pick one by myself. :D Choose Whole!? XD | ||
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blackone
Germany1314 Posts
I hope you weren't serious. *Every* fanclub is *always* going to contain spoilers about that players recent games. Those fanclubs are the actual place to talk about that, and no human being with possession of a brain is going to read a fanclub thread thinking it won't contain informations about games that player played. | ||
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