On April 06 2011 17:16 brain_ wrote:
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Oh68K.jpg)
He has that serial killer smile down.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Oh68K.jpg)
He has that serial killer smile down.
I loled. I'm thinking it should read "Have you seen this Grack?"
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BasilPesto
Australia624 Posts
April 06 2011 08:55 GMT
#6961
On April 06 2011 17:16 brain_ wrote: ![]() He has that serial killer smile down. I loled. I'm thinking it should read "Have you seen this Grack?" | ||
Sarang
Australia2363 Posts
April 06 2011 08:59 GMT
#6962
On April 06 2011 16:25 Mailing wrote: No. 1-2 ultras without their armor upgrade do in fact, not do well against 16 thors at all, regardless of where they battle. What? 1-2? Dude, he had around 10 of them. And splash was hitting all of the thors because they were surrounded. I know I'm outnumbered on this, but I remember a lot of discussion about this after the games, and general consensus was that the patch did NOT win Fruit that game. Look at the surround FruitDealer had. EVERY Thor was being hit by splash, because they were SURROUNDED. I just tested it. If an ultra attacks a thor with another thor behind it, BOTH thors take damage. If an ultralist attacks a tightly clumped up group of thors (just like the game in question), all of them take damage. One ultra was hitting four thors in my test. There was ONE thor that might have been affected by the bug. ONE. And it wasn't even killed from splash, it was taking very little damage until an ultra started hitting thors nearer it. So no, I have to disagree with you guys. I don't think the patch won fruitdealer that game. But if you guys still disagree with me, I'll be happy to recreate the scenario in game with one of you. Someone who knows exactly how many ultras/thors there were, as well as upgrades - its hard to tell from the video, as it's kinda fuzzy. Anyway, too off topic IMO. If you still disagree, send me a PM or something. xD Let's get back to talking about IdrA! | ||
sharky246
1197 Posts
April 06 2011 09:00 GMT
#6963
On April 06 2011 15:09 Essentia wrote: Show nested quote + On April 06 2011 15:04 henreiman wrote: Didn't catch the SotG. What were Idra's arguments re: Z underpowered? But I can understand day9's point - Idra wasn't going to be dissuaded, and Z can be very powerful. It just got buffed, so let's at least see how patch 1.3 plays out... But that's enough balance discussion. Anyone know what college Idra went to? Did he get a degree or drop out? He never went to college, but I'm pretty sure he got a scholarship to study theoretical physics and he had to turn it down when he decided to go to Korea for SC1. oh shiiit, do you have source? | ||
OptimusYale
Korea (South)1005 Posts
April 06 2011 09:11 GMT
#6964
The problem with the early ultras was that their splash damage hit all around their body instead of just the front which they do now ![]() At least I remember it coming out after GSL season 1 when they removed charge from ultras | ||
Az0r_au
Australia385 Posts
April 06 2011 10:27 GMT
#6965
mt | ||
purpose
Sweden1017 Posts
April 06 2011 10:39 GMT
#6966
Is it true that Idra lost a game to huk in this MLG because Huk hallucinated 10 voidrays and when Idra saw his army he just left instead of fighting? Did Idra lose that serie or was this in the 4-2 win later on? either way funny shit even though Idra perhaps should learn from this. I mean next time he perhaps will lose and be eliminated from the tourney. Will feel kinda bad when it was a game he had won easy had he only stayed and fight. | ||
KvltMan
Sweden1609 Posts
April 06 2011 10:47 GMT
#6967
On April 06 2011 19:39 purpose wrote: + Show Spoiler + Is it true that Idra lost a game to huk in this MLG because Huk hallucinated 10 voidrays and when Idra saw his army he just left instead of fighting? Did Idra lose that serie or was this in the 4-2 win later on? either way funny shit even though Idra perhaps should learn from this. I mean next time he perhaps will lose and be eliminated from the tourney. Will feel kinda bad when it was a game he had won easy had he only stayed and fight. Yes, he left and he lost that series. They got re-matched again, but then IdrA raped him 3-0. And he is doing it now a day, he stays much longer in games that seem one-sided. He always overseers now too. | ||
Calas
United Kingdom33 Posts
April 06 2011 11:26 GMT
#6968
On April 06 2011 19:39 purpose wrote: + Show Spoiler + Is it true that Idra lost a game to huk in this MLG because Huk hallucinated 10 voidrays and when Idra saw his army he just left instead of fighting? Did Idra lose that serie or was this in the 4-2 win later on? either way funny shit even though Idra perhaps should learn from this. I mean next time he perhaps will lose and be eliminated from the tourney. Will feel kinda bad when it was a game he had won easy had he only stayed and fight. He was also in a pretty shitty state mentally. He said he was pissed off that HuK lasted that long when IdrA was tearing him apart with harassment, as well. | ||
Tschis
Brazil1511 Posts
April 06 2011 11:26 GMT
#6969
On April 06 2011 17:59 Moonloop wrote: Show nested quote + On April 06 2011 16:25 Mailing wrote: No. 1-2 ultras without their armor upgrade do in fact, not do well against 16 thors at all, regardless of where they battle. What? 1-2? Dude, he had around 10 of them. I think he meant upgrades: 1 attack, 2 armor //tx | ||
nick1689
Australia494 Posts
April 06 2011 11:41 GMT
#6970
On April 06 2011 16:23 Amiralen wrote: Now be alarmed this is a Huk interview but some idra footage can be detected in this :p at 4:04 idras face is briefly shown :p, 5:26 showing his reaction when winning against HuK, he does show emotions ![]() Thats awesome, its good to see Idra get so pumped like that. He says alot how disappointed he is about the state of Z, but the fact that he gets so pumped when he wins high level matches is good to see Idra <3 | ||
loveeholicce
Korea (South)785 Posts
April 06 2011 12:19 GMT
#6971
On April 06 2011 15:43 ratMortar wrote: Show nested quote + On April 06 2011 15:30 slyboogie wrote: On April 06 2011 15:12 Sephimos wrote: On April 06 2011 14:43 slyboogie wrote: On April 06 2011 14:38 SiguR wrote: On April 06 2011 14:26 slyboogie wrote: Idra on SotG is fantastic! When he gets into Zerg imbalance and Tyler and Day just laugh at him, you can tell he's so angry but doesn't want to blow up on these guys. So funny!! Grack!! Indeed. I think he definitely knows what he's talking about too. It saddens me that people don't acknowledge that EVERY single top level zerg (literally, every single one) has been complaining about zerg being very weak for a very very long time. As much as I love them. just laughing it away like they did on sotg made me kind of sad. On the other hand, we should respect what Day9 was getting at. SC2 is so young and there is so much unexplored emergent gameplay, that balance talks can become very...wonky. Zerg may very well be underpowered (they certainly do seem to be,) but we just aren't 100% sure yet. The problem with this line of thinking is that it leads pretty quickly to "Nestea, IdrA, Ret, Fruitdealer, Morrow, Dimaga, and every other top-level Zerg is too stupid to figure out a reliable strategy, all empirical evidence suggests Zerg are lacking, but we're sure everything is fine". There are limited options in SC2, it's not like new units are invented. The game is broken as hell, and IdrA explained it very well. Too fragile early, too little punch middle, pitiful late game options. If Day9 thinks you can just magically coat an entire stalker colossus ball in fungal 6 times in a row, with no infestors dying to thermal lance (again, somehow) then I'd love to see those replays. But yeah, just get 18 infestors out by the eight minute mark and it'll be great *snark*. I love Day9, but not even entertaining a balance discussion is really a "holier-than-thou" stance meant to make him look smart. So everything is balanced, like old Void Rays, Reaper Speed, and 1 supply roaches? NOOOOOO. I'm not saying that at all. Those are some of the most talented players in the world. I'm not going to comment on the Day9 part of your post and I don't think we should keep this balance talk up too long. Look, players develop over time, even when the Rax did not require a supply depot, top level Zergs were already figuring out how to deal with it with strong Queen control and pool first build orders. MMM was met with more dynamic creep spread and ling/bling/muta. Zergs research burrow much faster when they suspect a 4 gate. This is stuff that happens over a month, maybe 2. You can say that the Voidray/Colossus ball is too strong and it certainly appears that way, I saw Idra's game 1 against Cruncher in the TSL3. I thought to myself, "What is he supposed to do against that?" It's up to the great ones to figure it out. I didn't follow it too closely, but from what I understand, in SC:BW, great players like Boxer, savior, iloveoov and Bisu thoroughly altered the game - through emergent gameplay, discovering something in the metagame - either through ingenuity or sheer technique. Give it time...or maybe it really is just imbalanced. Dunno, I don't play Zerg. I have to agree with Sly on 2 things: First, the game is new, and while IdrA made great arguments for zerg, things may get better in as little as a few months. If they don't, tournament results should speak for themselves. Patches happen, strategies change, which brings me to the second thing. Stop the balance talk. I got sick of it during the TSL/Cruncher drama, I don't want to sift through 10 pages of it again. Thing is tournament results HAVE spoken for themselves. Strength has alternated between Terran (previously) and now Protoss, but one thing thats remained consistent is Zerg doing horribly. It clearly has the shittiest representation at the highest levels and achieved the least by far. There's absolutely no reason why players like Idra, Ret, Morrow, Dimaga, Sheth, Sen, and Moonglade shouldn't be finding the same success as terrans and protoss. Tournament results HAVE spoken its just every1 dismisses them | ||
Morbidius
Brazil3449 Posts
April 06 2011 12:47 GMT
#6972
On April 06 2011 21:19 loveeholicce wrote: Show nested quote + On April 06 2011 15:43 ratMortar wrote: On April 06 2011 15:30 slyboogie wrote: On April 06 2011 15:12 Sephimos wrote: On April 06 2011 14:43 slyboogie wrote: On April 06 2011 14:38 SiguR wrote: On April 06 2011 14:26 slyboogie wrote: Idra on SotG is fantastic! When he gets into Zerg imbalance and Tyler and Day just laugh at him, you can tell he's so angry but doesn't want to blow up on these guys. So funny!! Grack!! Indeed. I think he definitely knows what he's talking about too. It saddens me that people don't acknowledge that EVERY single top level zerg (literally, every single one) has been complaining about zerg being very weak for a very very long time. As much as I love them. just laughing it away like they did on sotg made me kind of sad. On the other hand, we should respect what Day9 was getting at. SC2 is so young and there is so much unexplored emergent gameplay, that balance talks can become very...wonky. Zerg may very well be underpowered (they certainly do seem to be,) but we just aren't 100% sure yet. The problem with this line of thinking is that it leads pretty quickly to "Nestea, IdrA, Ret, Fruitdealer, Morrow, Dimaga, and every other top-level Zerg is too stupid to figure out a reliable strategy, all empirical evidence suggests Zerg are lacking, but we're sure everything is fine". There are limited options in SC2, it's not like new units are invented. The game is broken as hell, and IdrA explained it very well. Too fragile early, too little punch middle, pitiful late game options. If Day9 thinks you can just magically coat an entire stalker colossus ball in fungal 6 times in a row, with no infestors dying to thermal lance (again, somehow) then I'd love to see those replays. But yeah, just get 18 infestors out by the eight minute mark and it'll be great *snark*. I love Day9, but not even entertaining a balance discussion is really a "holier-than-thou" stance meant to make him look smart. So everything is balanced, like old Void Rays, Reaper Speed, and 1 supply roaches? NOOOOOO. I'm not saying that at all. Those are some of the most talented players in the world. I'm not going to comment on the Day9 part of your post and I don't think we should keep this balance talk up too long. Look, players develop over time, even when the Rax did not require a supply depot, top level Zergs were already figuring out how to deal with it with strong Queen control and pool first build orders. MMM was met with more dynamic creep spread and ling/bling/muta. Zergs research burrow much faster when they suspect a 4 gate. This is stuff that happens over a month, maybe 2. You can say that the Voidray/Colossus ball is too strong and it certainly appears that way, I saw Idra's game 1 against Cruncher in the TSL3. I thought to myself, "What is he supposed to do against that?" It's up to the great ones to figure it out. I didn't follow it too closely, but from what I understand, in SC:BW, great players like Boxer, savior, iloveoov and Bisu thoroughly altered the game - through emergent gameplay, discovering something in the metagame - either through ingenuity or sheer technique. Give it time...or maybe it really is just imbalanced. Dunno, I don't play Zerg. I have to agree with Sly on 2 things: First, the game is new, and while IdrA made great arguments for zerg, things may get better in as little as a few months. If they don't, tournament results should speak for themselves. Patches happen, strategies change, which brings me to the second thing. Stop the balance talk. I got sick of it during the TSL/Cruncher drama, I don't want to sift through 10 pages of it again. Thing is tournament results HAVE spoken for themselves. Strength has alternated between Terran (previously) and now Protoss, but one thing thats remained consistent is Zerg doing horribly. It clearly has the shittiest representation at the highest levels and achieved the least by far. There's absolutely no reason why players like Idra, Ret, Morrow, Dimaga, Sheth, Sen, and Moonglade shouldn't be finding the same success as terrans and protoss. Tournament results HAVE spoken its just every1 dismisses them Yeah IdrA is the only foreign zerg who can do consistently well in tournaments, and i think we all agree that IdrA is the god of macro. | ||
garlicface
Canada4196 Posts
April 06 2011 13:19 GMT
#6973
On April 06 2011 05:48 OutlaW- wrote: Show nested quote + On April 06 2011 05:20 garlicface wrote: On April 06 2011 04:57 Junichi wrote: On April 06 2011 04:39 Ghad wrote: On April 05 2011 18:39 Amiralen wrote: Interview at MLG Dallas with Torchs girlfriend ![]() That is hands down the best esports interview I have ever seen. Both parties both looking sharp, speaking very well and having good chemistry. Together with the rivalry between Idra and Huk all the while shooting in there that Huk is indeed a good player this is the stuff that will help grow ESPORTS. I love IdrA's interviews. Plus I love Seltzer making interviews. So this one is once again great. ![]() ![]() Wonder how she would do as a caster. Maybe she should try out for the code A casters spot at GSL. She is living in korea with Torch, right? Well said. The two have them do great interviews. I think there was another just before he left Korea. And no, she's in the US now. This was filmed at MLG Columbus. Edit: Another play who really breaks down the game and analyses the finer instances is Tyler. Listening to him talk about Protoss play on SotG is just damn amazing. I think IdrA and Tyler have pretty similar StarCraft minds. You mean MLG Dallas? ![]() Oops. Editing it now. | ||
Dakmaniac
212 Posts
April 06 2011 14:02 GMT
#6974
i couldn't find it on here anyway so i just put it up ![]() btw Rachel is totally IdrA biased :D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nl-vkt4bdz0 | ||
Nesquik
United Kingdom600 Posts
April 06 2011 14:23 GMT
#6975
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Amiralen
Sweden61 Posts
April 06 2011 14:56 GMT
#6976
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Dakmaniac
212 Posts
April 06 2011 16:18 GMT
#6977
On April 06 2011 23:56 Amiralen wrote: Lol, I posted that interview a few pages back ![]() sry then i somehow missed it :S anyway IdrA owns ;D | ||
FallDownMarigold
United States3710 Posts
April 06 2011 16:26 GMT
#6978
On April 06 2011 16:23 Amiralen wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xg2mhSDRs-I& Now be alarmed this is a Huk interview but some idra footage can be detected in this :p at 4:04 idras face is briefly shown :p, 5:26 showing his reaction when winning against HuK, he does show emotions ![]() I wonder if Huk is actually 35-5 against Idra... "Of the last 40 games, he's only won 5 against me". Something tells me this utterance could be a slight exaggeration. Ironically, moments before this statement Huk complains about Idra's alleged inclination to making exaggerated claims... I thought it was funny :p | ||
1Eris1
United States5797 Posts
April 06 2011 16:35 GMT
#6979
On April 07 2011 01:26 FallDownMarigold wrote: Show nested quote + On April 06 2011 16:23 Amiralen wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xg2mhSDRs-I& Now be alarmed this is a Huk interview but some idra footage can be detected in this :p at 4:04 idras face is briefly shown :p, 5:26 showing his reaction when winning against HuK, he does show emotions ![]() I wonder if Huk is actually 35-5 against Idra... "Of the last 40 games, he's only won 5 against me". Something tells me this utterance could be a slight exaggeration. Ironically, moments before this statement Huk complains about Idra's alleged inclination to making exaggerated claims... I thought it was funny :p Yeah, I mean in tournaments IdrA is like 9-3 vs him (3-1 EG masters) (2/3 (can't remember)-0 the MLG IdrA won (4-2 MLG Dallas) Just goes to show, ladder isn't where real strats are used/players try etc | ||
hadoken5
Canada519 Posts
April 06 2011 16:36 GMT
#6980
On April 06 2011 20:41 nick1689 wrote: Show nested quote + On April 06 2011 16:23 Amiralen wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xg2mhSDRs-I& Now be alarmed this is a Huk interview but some idra footage can be detected in this :p at 4:04 idras face is briefly shown :p, 5:26 showing his reaction when winning against HuK, he does show emotions ![]() Thats awesome, its good to see Idra get so pumped like that. He says alot how disappointed he is about the state of Z, but the fact that he gets so pumped when he wins high level matches is good to see Idra <3 From the footage that I've seen, he is usually pretty straightfaced when winning, I think because he lost to Huk because of some embarassing mistake and then came back to destroy him really made him happy. And about Huk saying he beats IdrA all the time. I don't know if this is true, but it doesn't necessarily mean he's better than him. Some players play better during tournaments when "shit just got real" | ||
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