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Airship
United States465 Posts
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Swarmed
59 Posts
His fans will defend him saying that he's trying to encourage creative play and that in itself would be alright, except that the issue with Zerg not really having any safe builds and walking a tightrope since release (previously in ZvT and these days mainly in ZvP) is getting really old now. At this point in time he's not "encouraging creative play" anymore, just being in denial and literally slowing down the understanding of the game for his audience. IdrA is right. Most Zerg pros have spoken out the same way and if playing that race really MAKES you whiny about balance then JUST MAYBE there's a reason for that? | ||
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SlapMySalami
United States1060 Posts
On April 07 2011 01:41 Swarmed wrote: Like I said in the SotG thread, talking balance with Day[9] is like talking about the origins of the universe with a religious zealot. Day[9] camps on the idea that there is no such thing as imbalance out of principle, even when it's in his face and pro players using 5rax reaper are coming out saying it's too good. His fans will defend him saying that he's trying to encourage creative play and that in itself would be alright, except that the issue with Zerg not really having any safe builds and walking a tightrope since release (previously in ZvT and these days mainly in ZvP) is getting really old now. At this point in time he's not "encouraging creative play" anymore, just being in denial and literally slowing down the understanding of the game for his audience. stop overthinking it you don't have to take sides this heavily because you like greg more greg said what he wanted to say sean said what he wanted to say, they're friends and you can take whichever side you want but saying he's in denial is basically saying he doesn't know what he's talking about and that's far from the truth | ||
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Airship
United States465 Posts
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Glimred
China888 Posts
On April 07 2011 01:26 FallDownMarigold wrote: I wonder if Huk is actually 35-5 against Idra... "Of the last 40 games, he's only won 5 against me". Something tells me this utterance could be a slight exaggeration. Ironically, moments before this statement Huk complains about Idra's alleged inclination to making exaggerated claims... I thought it was funny :p It could be accurate as far as ladder games go. When IdrA was still streaming his korean ladder practice there were a few people, Huk among them, that he used to almost always instantly leave the game against because all they did was cheese him hard every single game and he didn't want to waste practice time on that. So if Huk counts all the insta-leave games as a win, the 5-35 seems plausible. | ||
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Swarmed
59 Posts
I'm not saying he doesn't know what he's talking about, I'm actually 100% sure Day[9] knows it's going to be an uphill battle when he spawns as Zerg. He just doesn't want to publicly acknowledge it because he has chosen a position out of principle (complaining about balance is bad for you as a player and acting like everything can be resolved through persistence contributes to more creative play) rather than because of how close to the truth it is. So IMO, Day[9]'s opinion on balance is not right or wrong but flat out irrelevant because he approaches balance talk as a dogmatic issue. | ||
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Ohdamn
Germany765 Posts
On April 07 2011 01:45 SlapMySalami wrote: stop overthinking it you don't have to take sides this heavily because you like greg more greg said what he wanted to say sean said what he wanted to say, they're friends and you can take whichever side you want but saying he's in denial is basically saying he doesn't know what he's talking about and that's far from the truth well i actually disgree with "sean said what he wanted to say" i believe off camera the discussion would look a bit different i can't imagine someone like day9 doesn't see that there's some sort of imbalance in that matchup even if he's not actively playing atm but it's exactly the same as with 5rax reaper..i remeber him talking about it in his dailys and in interviews and he never said there's an imbalance i think he just doesn't want to say something like that because, as already said above, he wants to encourage creative play and doesn't want everyone to be whining about it i thought the "discussion" was absolutely awkward..day9 and jp just laughing at idra who was bringing in serious arguments.. you could see that tyler listened to idra word for word and it looked like he agreed to some of it | ||
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Airship
United States465 Posts
On April 07 2011 01:54 Swarmed wrote: So IMO, Day[9]'s opinion on balance is not right or wrong but flat out irrelevant because he approaches balance talk as a dogmatic issue. Yes. I 100% agree with this statement. | ||
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Essentia
1150 Posts
On April 07 2011 01:40 Airship wrote: HuK's a proper hypocrite, in the truest sense of the word. I cheer for him in the GSL as a foreigner but he's more BM than IdrA. He's also just generally more outspoken than IdrA and makes a point of making friends, but he is very much an instigator in his little feud with Greg. I think he believes he's got moral high ground because he GG's at the end of games or something, I don't think he realises that two punctuate characters do not summarise maturity. The best part is that when grilled on IdrA he'll put his manners down to a troubled childhood in which Greg was bullied as a child and grew into a passive aggressive personality. Pure speculation, or perhaps more accurately fantasy on HuK's part. Perhaps ironically we do know for a fact that HuK spent some portion of his childhood hanging with the wrong crowds and indeed he spent some time in juvie. And that DOES come through in his attitude. He cannon rushes IdrA almost every ladder game I've seen them play, he makes fun of IdrA behind his back and when IdrA gets frustrated with protoss and taps to hallucinations he rubs it right in his face (illegaly by MLG rules at that) right at the beginning of the next game, then he acts the victim of Idra's legendary rage. What a fucking bellend. Idra's a lot of things but HuK's the worst, and it was pretty cathartic watching Idra completely school him in the extended series at MLG. No wonder greg was still on a high during his post elimination interviews. Everyone who has followed Huk since beta knows that Huk is actually really BM, and has a history of BM. | ||
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Klive5ive
United Kingdom6056 Posts
There's still a huge amount of room for growth in his play and everyones play. Remember in the foreign scene in BroodWar Protoss was massively favoured; yet in the Korean scene it struggled to win anything. Just because a race is easier doesn't mean it's better. | ||
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Yans
United Kingdom12 Posts
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loveeholicce
Korea (South)785 Posts
On April 07 2011 01:45 SlapMySalami wrote: stop overthinking it you don't have to take sides this heavily because you like greg more greg said what he wanted to say sean said what he wanted to say, they're friends and you can take whichever side you want but saying he's in denial is basically saying he doesn't know what he's talking about and that's far from the truth I think he's just saying its frustrating and odd that Day9 is adhering to the concept that "there is no imbalance" despite blatant empirical evidence and pro opinions leaning to the contrary, and I agree. He's so stuck on his principle that he directly ignores the opinion of a guy way more skilled and knowledgable that him without even considering the argument at hand, just dismissing it immediately (And no it's not an insult to day9, its just a fact that day9 quit pro gaming ages ago and has said several times he doesn't have as much time to play now). Personally I don't care too much about this itself, but I'm commenting on the topic because day9's view is shared by such a large portion of the community, which has become completely dismissive and unreceptive to the idea of balance. It was so annoying in the end of beta hearing people say "the player is winning, not the race" right as a Terran bunker rushes a Zerg with a proxy rax before supply and 60 HP scvs, or as a Terran goes 5 rax reaper, or as a Protoss 4 warpgate all ins a Zerg before the warpgate time was reduced. Then Idra and Artosis make a show about game balance that clearly has a lot of content and reasoned discussions, and 90% of the comments on the ensuring thread were "lol more Zerg QQ about Protoss so biased" despite the fact that Artosis had switched to Protoss for months. | ||
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TheCrow
Norway296 Posts
IdrA brings awesome drama and is a person I could actually respect in e-sports (I hate robots that just conform to the "normal" behaviour when it comes to any aspect of life), and when watching him stream and play I can easily spot that he is far better than most people he loose to. I am not saying he never looses legitimately, he certainly does... but its sad to see noobs have a chance against him because of their race. IdrA you are the friggin boss, and for some reason I can understand why football/soccer fans get depressed when their team looses because of you. I get damn pissed when you loose... favourite player by far! | ||
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garlicface
Canada4196 Posts
Anyways, GOOD LUCK AT DREAMHACK IDRAAAAAAAAAA <3 | ||
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mr_tolkien
France8631 Posts
![[image loading]](http://pechesroties.com/images/sc2/idra.jpg) I'm now trying to find a good way to Photoshop this into stg funny... | ||
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KvltMan
Sweden1609 Posts
On April 07 2011 02:58 mr_tolkien wrote: From the post MLG itw : I'm now trying to find a good way to Photoshop this into stg funny... ![[image loading]](http://www.badassoftheweek.com/badass-horseman3.jpg) Just saw the similarity. | ||
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ZessiM
United Kingdom232 Posts
On April 07 2011 01:41 Swarmed wrote: Like I said in the SotG thread, talking balance with Day[9] is like talking about the origins of the universe with a religious zealot. Day[9] camps on the idea that there is no such thing as imbalance out of principle, even when it's in his face and pro players using 5rax reaper are coming out saying it's too good. I like the analogy, but I think you have Day[9]'s position wrong: he isn't a religious zealot he's an agnostic. He never said that imbalance is out of the question or doesn't exist, like a fundamentalist, he said that discussion of it is pointless. I'm inclined to agree with him. Beyond stating your opinion of where a race's overpower or underpower lies, there's not much to talk about other than how best to overcome such disadvantages - as Day[9] tried to do. Discussing Zerg's record in competitions as some kind of evidence is fruitless, because there are too many variables to consider. Idra is entitled to vent his frustrations over the perceive weaknesses in his race, but other than that there's nothing he can do except: 1) Try to find a way around these weaknesses 2) Wait for Blizzard to balance the race in the way he would like I know which option I prefer. | ||
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Flymite
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brain_
United States812 Posts
On April 06 2011 23:02 Dakmaniac wrote: ok i dont understand why some1 posted the HuK interview instead of IdrA's i couldn't find it on here anyway so i just put it up btw Rachel is totally IdrA biased :D "Biased?" More like "wet for". | ||
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Flymite
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and he goes on to rant about idra for a little bit after that as well :p
