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Aocowns
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway6070 Posts
March 28 2012 14:57 GMT
#39101
On March 28 2012 22:49 thespiral wrote:
seems like british people don't have the ability to use liquipedia or is it their purpose to ask dumb question for +1?


interview pretty amazing though. I have a good feeling for ipl4

He asked a question, and he got an answer. Big fuckin deal? Did you just generalize the people of entire England?

I really don't see an issue with asking... You can find an answer pretty easily to pretty much everything, so why even bother making a forum for people to ask questions and discuss, if they just get generalized and ragged down upon when they ask a question taht they could've found an answer to themselves?
I'm a salt-lord and hater of mech and ForGG, don't take me seriously, it's just my salt-humour speaking i swear. |KadaverBB best TL gaoler| |~IdrA's #1 fan~| SetGuitarsToKill and Duckk are my martyr heroes |
The_Darkness
Profile Joined December 2011
United States910 Posts
March 28 2012 16:10 GMT
#39102
On March 28 2012 14:15 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2012 13:53 PandaMonk wrote:
Has anyone seen IdrA on ladder recently? He is TEARING IT UP, rank 1 and a CRAZY win percentage.

Not important in the slightest. I want to see Idra live up to his talent which means winning tournaments.


This fan club, for the most part, doesn't celebrate anything that Idra does. He beats MVP and everyone shrugs his shoulders and makes excuses for MVP, who didn't play great but also Idra executed well and took him out.

In any case, his ladder performance is noteworthy for a couple reasons -- first, his win rate is much better than it was -- previously around 77% on the NA server and now 80%+.

Second, ladder results do tend to correlate with success in tournaments, especially weekend LAN events. MKP is the best ladderer in the world and his results in GSL are very good and in nonGSL events even better. In Korea DRG has generally had the best win rate of any zerg on ladder and he is in fact the best zerg at this point. Nestea has never been that good on ladder (given his success in the GSL). People tend to explain his results by saying he doesn't care about ladder but he tends to do poorly in non-GSL events, so ladder isn't perhaps as meaningless as everyone suggests. On the other hand great ladderers (e.g., MKP, DRG and Stephano) tend to have lots of success in weekend LAN tournaments where you don't have much time to prepare for your opponent.

Further, it seems to be just common sense that how you practice is a fair indicator of how you'll play when the games count. Top level pros in all sports take practice deadly seriously. If you lose because of a stupid micro mistake or because you misread your opponent on ladder, then there's no reason to believe you might not make the same mistake when the game matters. Idra's ladder win rate means he's making fewer stupid mistakes, which is always a good thing.

In sum, there's no reason to believe that ladder results are a meaningless indicator of a player's current level. Thus Idra's recent success on the ladder is a good sign if you're a fan.
To be is to be the value of a bound variable.
Vandrad
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany951 Posts
March 28 2012 16:31 GMT
#39103
On March 29 2012 01:10 The_Darkness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2012 14:15 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote:
On March 28 2012 13:53 PandaMonk wrote:
Has anyone seen IdrA on ladder recently? He is TEARING IT UP, rank 1 and a CRAZY win percentage.

Not important in the slightest. I want to see Idra live up to his talent which means winning tournaments.


This fan club, for the most part, doesn't celebrate anything that Idra does. He beats MVP and everyone shrugs his shoulders and makes excuses for MVP, who didn't play great but also Idra executed well and took him out.

In any case, his ladder performance is noteworthy for a couple reasons -- first, his win rate is much better than it was -- previously around 77% on the NA server and now 80%+.

Second, ladder results do tend to correlate with success in tournaments, especially weekend LAN events. MKP is the best ladderer in the world and his results in GSL are very good and in nonGSL events even better. In Korea DRG has generally had the best win rate of any zerg on ladder and he is in fact the best zerg at this point. Nestea has never been that good on ladder (given his success in the GSL). People tend to explain his results by saying he doesn't care about ladder but he tends to do poorly in non-GSL events, so ladder isn't perhaps as meaningless as everyone suggests. On the other hand great ladderers (e.g., MKP, DRG and Stephano) tend to have lots of success in weekend LAN tournaments where you don't have much time to prepare for your opponent.

Further, it seems to be just common sense that how you practice is a fair indicator of how you'll play when the games count. Top level pros in all sports take practice deadly seriously. If you lose because of a stupid micro mistake or because you misread your opponent on ladder, then there's no reason to believe you might not make the same mistake when the game matters. Idra's ladder win rate means he's making fewer stupid mistakes, which is always a good thing.

In sum, there's no reason to believe that ladder results are a meaningless indicator of a player's current level. Thus Idra's recent success on the ladder is a good sign if you're a fan.


I'd also like to add that koreans like OgsVines and TSLHyun aswell as Select and DeMuslim ladder on NA and yet Idra is above them
And who are you, the proud lord said, that I must bow so low?
Bagi
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6799 Posts
March 28 2012 16:33 GMT
#39104
On March 29 2012 01:10 The_Darkness wrote:
In sum, there's no reason to believe that ladder results are a meaningless indicator of a player's current level. Thus Idra's recent success on the ladder is a good sign if you're a fan.

Your mistake is comparing NA ladder to the KR ladder. KR ladder is actually extremely high level and most top foreigners would have trouble getting GM there, not the case for NA or EU.

When I look at the NA GM ladder list there are very few players who should realistically take games from Idra, and hardly any players who could be considered as skilled as Idra is. It doesn't hurt to have a good ladder run, at least it confirms that he isn't completely slumping, but I think comparing it to KR ladder players achievements doesn't make much sense.
Jinsho
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom3101 Posts
March 28 2012 16:39 GMT
#39105
It's a cool thing. Don't overanalyze it.
The_Darkness
Profile Joined December 2011
United States910 Posts
March 28 2012 17:48 GMT
#39106
On March 29 2012 01:33 Bagi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2012 01:10 The_Darkness wrote:
In sum, there's no reason to believe that ladder results are a meaningless indicator of a player's current level. Thus Idra's recent success on the ladder is a good sign if you're a fan.

Your mistake is comparing NA ladder to the KR ladder. KR ladder is actually extremely high level and most top foreigners would have trouble getting GM there, not the case for NA or EU.

When I look at the NA GM ladder list there are very few players who should realistically take games from Idra, and hardly any players who could be considered as skilled as Idra is. It doesn't hurt to have a good ladder run, at least it confirms that he isn't completely slumping, but I think comparing it to KR ladder players achievements doesn't make much sense.


Your mistake is that you didn't read my post because I never compared that KR ladder to the NA ladder. I'm very familiar with the performance of foreigners on the KR ladder. Every foreigner except for Stephano seems to top out at around a 50-55% win rate on the KR ladder (assuming he's in GM and has played at least 100 games). Idra's win rate was typically around 51%; near the end of his stay, in Season 6 I believe, he had around a 55% win rate, which is perfectly respectable.

In any event his current win rate ~84% in NA is much better than his previous win rate ~77%. Even if it is the NA server, it is admirable and likely means he's playing better SC2, so I expect to see better things from him in the coming months because good ladder performance does tend to correlate with tournament results. And I'm in no way saying that an 84% win rate on the NA server means you're the next GSL champion.

(Incidentally, why is it so difficult to discuss the ladder intelligently? Every time any sort of achievement is mentioned on the ladder someone will always stupidly point out an patently obvious and well known fact (e.g., "the KR server is the toughest server" is everyone's favorite obvious fact), regardless of whether it's on point.)

To be is to be the value of a bound variable.
Spec
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Taiwan931 Posts
March 28 2012 18:47 GMT
#39107
Is IdrA rank 1 NA or something? I think he is.
Eye for an eye make the world go blind - Gandhi
Aocowns
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway6070 Posts
March 28 2012 18:53 GMT
#39108
IDRA STREAM YESYESYES!!
I'm a salt-lord and hater of mech and ForGG, don't take me seriously, it's just my salt-humour speaking i swear. |KadaverBB best TL gaoler| |~IdrA's #1 fan~| SetGuitarsToKill and Duckk are my martyr heroes |
MrMatt
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada225 Posts
March 28 2012 18:57 GMT
#39109
Sweet Idra stream. (Is there someone I can ask to be unbanned from his chat? I don't even know how i was banned just one day when i tried to get on I was banned.)
tehcaekftw
Profile Joined March 2012
Denmark138 Posts
March 28 2012 19:00 GMT
#39110
On March 29 2012 03:47 Spec wrote:
Is IdrA rank 1 NA or something? I think he is.


His profile says he is rank 1 GM on NA, so yeah.
LuckoftheIrish
Profile Joined November 2011
United States4791 Posts
March 28 2012 19:03 GMT
#39111
On March 29 2012 01:33 Bagi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2012 01:10 The_Darkness wrote:
In sum, there's no reason to believe that ladder results are a meaningless indicator of a player's current level. Thus Idra's recent success on the ladder is a good sign if you're a fan.

Your mistake is comparing NA ladder to the KR ladder. KR ladder is actually extremely high level and most top foreigners would have trouble getting GM there, not the case for NA or EU.


Everyone says this, and it's not really true. Yes, the Korean server is really good, and way better than NA or EU, but the reason most foreign players top out in Masters is because no one ever drops out of GM. If you look at MMR and matchups, every skillful foreign player I can think of who's gone to Korea for any length of time has been playing GM opponents.
On Twitter @GosuGamers_LotI | Grubby has a huge head!
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
March 28 2012 19:06 GMT
#39112
On March 29 2012 04:03 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2012 01:33 Bagi wrote:
On March 29 2012 01:10 The_Darkness wrote:
In sum, there's no reason to believe that ladder results are a meaningless indicator of a player's current level. Thus Idra's recent success on the ladder is a good sign if you're a fan.

Your mistake is comparing NA ladder to the KR ladder. KR ladder is actually extremely high level and most top foreigners would have trouble getting GM there, not the case for NA or EU.


Everyone says this, and it's not really true. Yes, the Korean server is really good, and way better than NA or EU, but the reason most foreign players top out in Masters is because no one ever drops out of GM. If you look at MMR and matchups, every skillful foreign player I can think of who's gone to Korea for any length of time has been playing GM opponents.


Interesting yet when idra/stephano went mid season they got GM just fine. People drop out of there just like na/eu, not as much but they still do.
When I think of something else, something will go here
Lefaa
Profile Joined January 2012
Finland313 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-28 19:11:44
March 28 2012 19:11 GMT
#39113
Streaaaming! Oh yeah
Sqorpion
Profile Joined October 2011
Denmark384 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-28 19:14:38
March 28 2012 19:13 GMT
#39114
Anyone have a fix for a completely black stream and no sound on it either? Tried in other browsers, didnt work, other streams work?
Can't be true that of all streams I can't see IdrAs
Nevermind, got it working.
"Until the very, very top, in almost anything all that matters, is how much work you put in. The only problem is that most people can't work hard even at things they do enjoy, much less things they don't have a real passion for." - Greg "IdrA" Fields
Fortii
Profile Joined December 2011
Germany760 Posts
March 28 2012 19:22 GMT
#39115
sometimes twitch/justintv does those things. try rebooting your comp, support the problem via the support (bottom right in the stream)
gl fixing it.
IdrA!
cleecks
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands109 Posts
March 28 2012 19:26 GMT
#39116
On March 29 2012 04:13 Sqorpion wrote:
Anyone have a fix for a completely black stream and no sound on it either? Tried in other browsers, didnt work, other streams work?
Can't be true that of all streams I can't see IdrAs
Nevermind, got it working.
I had the problem too, on several browsers. It turned out the 480p wasn't working for me for any reason, 360p and 720p however did work.
LuckoftheIrish
Profile Joined November 2011
United States4791 Posts
March 28 2012 20:07 GMT
#39117
On March 29 2012 04:06 blade55555 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2012 04:03 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
On March 29 2012 01:33 Bagi wrote:
On March 29 2012 01:10 The_Darkness wrote:
In sum, there's no reason to believe that ladder results are a meaningless indicator of a player's current level. Thus Idra's recent success on the ladder is a good sign if you're a fan.

Your mistake is comparing NA ladder to the KR ladder. KR ladder is actually extremely high level and most top foreigners would have trouble getting GM there, not the case for NA or EU.


Everyone says this, and it's not really true. Yes, the Korean server is really good, and way better than NA or EU, but the reason most foreign players top out in Masters is because no one ever drops out of GM. If you look at MMR and matchups, every skillful foreign player I can think of who's gone to Korea for any length of time has been playing GM opponents.


Interesting yet when idra/stephano went mid season they got GM just fine. People drop out of there just like na/eu, not as much but they still do.


Oh, definitely. However, there was a pretty long period where HuK and Idra were both top-5 Masters, playing mid-high GM opponents. Maybe two to two and a half weeks. There are also players with multiple GM accounts - fOrGG I think has had five accounts in GM.
On Twitter @GosuGamers_LotI | Grubby has a huge head!
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
March 28 2012 20:10 GMT
#39118
On March 29 2012 04:06 blade55555 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2012 04:03 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
On March 29 2012 01:33 Bagi wrote:
On March 29 2012 01:10 The_Darkness wrote:
In sum, there's no reason to believe that ladder results are a meaningless indicator of a player's current level. Thus Idra's recent success on the ladder is a good sign if you're a fan.

Your mistake is comparing NA ladder to the KR ladder. KR ladder is actually extremely high level and most top foreigners would have trouble getting GM there, not the case for NA or EU.


Everyone says this, and it's not really true. Yes, the Korean server is really good, and way better than NA or EU, but the reason most foreign players top out in Masters is because no one ever drops out of GM. If you look at MMR and matchups, every skillful foreign player I can think of who's gone to Korea for any length of time has been playing GM opponents.


Interesting yet when idra/stephano went mid season they got GM just fine. People drop out of there just like na/eu, not as much but they still do.

theres probably like 1000 people on the waiting list to get into GM so when someone drops out its probably more luck then anything to get the missing spot
Frail
Profile Joined October 2010
Iceland336 Posts
March 28 2012 20:13 GMT
#39119
So glad to see him streaming again!
Whargarbl
AgentChaos
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom4569 Posts
March 28 2012 20:24 GMT
#39120
beast!!
IM & EG supporter
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