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On March 28 2012 22:49 thespiral wrote:
seems like british people don't have the ability to use liquipedia or is it their purpose to ask dumb question for +1?
interview pretty amazing though. I have a good feeling for ipl4
He asked a question, and he got an answer. Big fuckin deal? Did you just generalize the people of entire England?
I really don't see an issue with asking... You can find an answer pretty easily to pretty much everything, so why even bother making a forum for people to ask questions and discuss, if they just get generalized and ragged down upon when they ask a question taht they could've found an answer to themselves?
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On March 28 2012 14:15 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2012 13:53 PandaMonk wrote:
Has anyone seen IdrA on ladder recently? He is TEARING IT UP, rank 1 and a CRAZY win percentage. Not important in the slightest. I want to see Idra live up to his talent which means winning tournaments.
This fan club, for the most part, doesn't celebrate anything that Idra does. He beats MVP and everyone shrugs his shoulders and makes excuses for MVP, who didn't play great but also Idra executed well and took him out.
In any case, his ladder performance is noteworthy for a couple reasons -- first, his win rate is much better than it was -- previously around 77% on the NA server and now 80%+.
Second, ladder results do tend to correlate with success in tournaments, especially weekend LAN events. MKP is the best ladderer in the world and his results in GSL are very good and in nonGSL events even better. In Korea DRG has generally had the best win rate of any zerg on ladder and he is in fact the best zerg at this point. Nestea has never been that good on ladder (given his success in the GSL). People tend to explain his results by saying he doesn't care about ladder but he tends to do poorly in non-GSL events, so ladder isn't perhaps as meaningless as everyone suggests. On the other hand great ladderers (e.g., MKP, DRG and Stephano) tend to have lots of success in weekend LAN tournaments where you don't have much time to prepare for your opponent.
Further, it seems to be just common sense that how you practice is a fair indicator of how you'll play when the games count. Top level pros in all sports take practice deadly seriously. If you lose because of a stupid micro mistake or because you misread your opponent on ladder, then there's no reason to believe you might not make the same mistake when the game matters. Idra's ladder win rate means he's making fewer stupid mistakes, which is always a good thing.
In sum, there's no reason to believe that ladder results are a meaningless indicator of a player's current level. Thus Idra's recent success on the ladder is a good sign if you're a fan.
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On March 29 2012 01:10 The_Darkness wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2012 14:15 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote:On March 28 2012 13:53 PandaMonk wrote:
Has anyone seen IdrA on ladder recently? He is TEARING IT UP, rank 1 and a CRAZY win percentage. Not important in the slightest. I want to see Idra live up to his talent which means winning tournaments. This fan club, for the most part, doesn't celebrate anything that Idra does. He beats MVP and everyone shrugs his shoulders and makes excuses for MVP, who didn't play great but also Idra executed well and took him out. In any case, his ladder performance is noteworthy for a couple reasons -- first, his win rate is much better than it was -- previously around 77% on the NA server and now 80%+. Second, ladder results do tend to correlate with success in tournaments, especially weekend LAN events. MKP is the best ladderer in the world and his results in GSL are very good and in nonGSL events even better. In Korea DRG has generally had the best win rate of any zerg on ladder and he is in fact the best zerg at this point. Nestea has never been that good on ladder (given his success in the GSL). People tend to explain his results by saying he doesn't care about ladder but he tends to do poorly in non-GSL events, so ladder isn't perhaps as meaningless as everyone suggests. On the other hand great ladderers (e.g., MKP, DRG and Stephano) tend to have lots of success in weekend LAN tournaments where you don't have much time to prepare for your opponent. Further, it seems to be just common sense that how you practice is a fair indicator of how you'll play when the games count. Top level pros in all sports take practice deadly seriously. If you lose because of a stupid micro mistake or because you misread your opponent on ladder, then there's no reason to believe you might not make the same mistake when the game matters. Idra's ladder win rate means he's making fewer stupid mistakes, which is always a good thing. In sum, there's no reason to believe that ladder results are a meaningless indicator of a player's current level. Thus Idra's recent success on the ladder is a good sign if you're a fan.
I'd also like to add that koreans like OgsVines and TSLHyun aswell as Select and DeMuslim ladder on NA and yet Idra is above them
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On March 29 2012 01:10 The_Darkness wrote:
In sum, there's no reason to believe that ladder results are a meaningless indicator of a player's current level. Thus Idra's recent success on the ladder is a good sign if you're a fan.
Your mistake is comparing NA ladder to the KR ladder. KR ladder is actually extremely high level and most top foreigners would have trouble getting GM there, not the case for NA or EU.
When I look at the NA GM ladder list there are very few players who should realistically take games from Idra, and hardly any players who could be considered as skilled as Idra is. It doesn't hurt to have a good ladder run, at least it confirms that he isn't completely slumping, but I think comparing it to KR ladder players achievements doesn't make much sense.
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It's a cool thing. Don't overanalyze it.
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On March 29 2012 01:33 Bagi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2012 01:10 The_Darkness wrote:
In sum, there's no reason to believe that ladder results are a meaningless indicator of a player's current level. Thus Idra's recent success on the ladder is a good sign if you're a fan. Your mistake is comparing NA ladder to the KR ladder. KR ladder is actually extremely high level and most top foreigners would have trouble getting GM there, not the case for NA or EU. When I look at the NA GM ladder list there are very few players who should realistically take games from Idra, and hardly any players who could be considered as skilled as Idra is. It doesn't hurt to have a good ladder run, at least it confirms that he isn't completely slumping, but I think comparing it to KR ladder players achievements doesn't make much sense.
Your mistake is that you didn't read my post because I never compared that KR ladder to the NA ladder. I'm very familiar with the performance of foreigners on the KR ladder. Every foreigner except for Stephano seems to top out at around a 50-55% win rate on the KR ladder (assuming he's in GM and has played at least 100 games). Idra's win rate was typically around 51%; near the end of his stay, in Season 6 I believe, he had around a 55% win rate, which is perfectly respectable.
In any event his current win rate ~84% in NA is much better than his previous win rate ~77%. Even if it is the NA server, it is admirable and likely means he's playing better SC2, so I expect to see better things from him in the coming months because good ladder performance does tend to correlate with tournament results. And I'm in no way saying that an 84% win rate on the NA server means you're the next GSL champion.
(Incidentally, why is it so difficult to discuss the ladder intelligently? Every time any sort of achievement is mentioned on the ladder someone will always stupidly point out an patently obvious and well known fact (e.g., "the KR server is the toughest server" is everyone's favorite obvious fact), regardless of whether it's on point.)
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Is IdrA rank 1 NA or something? I think he is.
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Sweet Idra stream. (Is there someone I can ask to be unbanned from his chat? I don't even know how i was banned just one day when i tried to get on I was banned.)
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On March 29 2012 03:47 Spec wrote:
Is IdrA rank 1 NA or something? I think he is.
His profile says he is rank 1 GM on NA, so yeah.
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On March 29 2012 01:33 Bagi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2012 01:10 The_Darkness wrote:
In sum, there's no reason to believe that ladder results are a meaningless indicator of a player's current level. Thus Idra's recent success on the ladder is a good sign if you're a fan. Your mistake is comparing NA ladder to the KR ladder. KR ladder is actually extremely high level and most top foreigners would have trouble getting GM there, not the case for NA or EU.
Everyone says this, and it's not really true. Yes, the Korean server is really good, and way better than NA or EU, but the reason most foreign players top out in Masters is because no one ever drops out of GM. If you look at MMR and matchups, every skillful foreign player I can think of who's gone to Korea for any length of time has been playing GM opponents.
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On March 29 2012 04:03 LuckoftheIrish wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2012 01:33 Bagi wrote:On March 29 2012 01:10 The_Darkness wrote:
In sum, there's no reason to believe that ladder results are a meaningless indicator of a player's current level. Thus Idra's recent success on the ladder is a good sign if you're a fan. Your mistake is comparing NA ladder to the KR ladder. KR ladder is actually extremely high level and most top foreigners would have trouble getting GM there, not the case for NA or EU. Everyone says this, and it's not really true. Yes, the Korean server is really good, and way better than NA or EU, but the reason most foreign players top out in Masters is because no one ever drops out of GM. If you look at MMR and matchups, every skillful foreign player I can think of who's gone to Korea for any length of time has been playing GM opponents.
Interesting yet when idra/stephano went mid season they got GM just fine. People drop out of there just like na/eu, not as much but they still do.
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Anyone have a fix for a completely black stream and no sound on it either? Tried in other browsers, didnt work, other streams work?
Can't be true that of all streams I can't see IdrAs 
Nevermind, got it working.
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sometimes twitch/justintv does those things. try rebooting your comp, support the problem via the support (bottom right in the stream)
gl fixing it.
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On March 29 2012 04:13 Sqorpion wrote:Anyone have a fix for a completely black stream and no sound on it either? Tried in other browsers, didnt work, other streams work? Can't be true that of all streams I can't see IdrAs Nevermind, got it working. I had the problem too, on several browsers. It turned out the 480p wasn't working for me for any reason, 360p and 720p however did work.
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On March 29 2012 04:06 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2012 04:03 LuckoftheIrish wrote:On March 29 2012 01:33 Bagi wrote:On March 29 2012 01:10 The_Darkness wrote:
In sum, there's no reason to believe that ladder results are a meaningless indicator of a player's current level. Thus Idra's recent success on the ladder is a good sign if you're a fan. Your mistake is comparing NA ladder to the KR ladder. KR ladder is actually extremely high level and most top foreigners would have trouble getting GM there, not the case for NA or EU. Everyone says this, and it's not really true. Yes, the Korean server is really good, and way better than NA or EU, but the reason most foreign players top out in Masters is because no one ever drops out of GM. If you look at MMR and matchups, every skillful foreign player I can think of who's gone to Korea for any length of time has been playing GM opponents. Interesting yet when idra/stephano went mid season they got GM just fine. People drop out of there just like na/eu, not as much but they still do.
Oh, definitely. However, there was a pretty long period where HuK and Idra were both top-5 Masters, playing mid-high GM opponents. Maybe two to two and a half weeks. There are also players with multiple GM accounts - fOrGG I think has had five accounts in GM.
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On March 29 2012 04:06 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2012 04:03 LuckoftheIrish wrote:On March 29 2012 01:33 Bagi wrote:On March 29 2012 01:10 The_Darkness wrote:
In sum, there's no reason to believe that ladder results are a meaningless indicator of a player's current level. Thus Idra's recent success on the ladder is a good sign if you're a fan. Your mistake is comparing NA ladder to the KR ladder. KR ladder is actually extremely high level and most top foreigners would have trouble getting GM there, not the case for NA or EU. Everyone says this, and it's not really true. Yes, the Korean server is really good, and way better than NA or EU, but the reason most foreign players top out in Masters is because no one ever drops out of GM. If you look at MMR and matchups, every skillful foreign player I can think of who's gone to Korea for any length of time has been playing GM opponents. Interesting yet when idra/stephano went mid season they got GM just fine. People drop out of there just like na/eu, not as much but they still do.
theres probably like 1000 people on the waiting list to get into GM so when someone drops out its probably more luck then anything to get the missing spot
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So glad to see him streaming again!
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EPT
